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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds on: August 23, 2018, 05:55:52 PM
You could argue that if the terms state that you get XBTC for your participation, that shouldn't include the forked coin.  I get that.  I'm curious as to what the consensus is about this; what Lauda thinks; what other members think; and if it was mentioned in the terms of this thing.  I don't think it's way off-topic.

It wouldn't have made sense to claim the BCH at the time of the fork as it would have been a potential security risk to manipulate the private keys holding 1000+ BTC.

It wouldn't make sense for the escrow to keep (or ignore) the BCH after the refunds are issued and the escrow wallet is no longer used. The risk is no longer there and there is a substantial value in BCH and it certainly doesn't belong to the escrow. The escrow could charge a substantial fee for the trouble (and to avoid having to deal with dust forks) but the coins should be distributed.


@suchmoon
Here's the official announcement from nvo about the bch fork:


Makes no difference if you trust it or not.Just split the coins off the bitcoin address and dump the shitcoin and raise more money.The coins exist on the bitcoin address holding bitcoin at the time of the fork.


Official announcement about BCH/BCC:


Yanni Bragui/Marto in slack

"Hi guys, I wanted to clear the state of the BCH from the crowdsale.
The BCH/BCC (result of chain split) belongs to the project. The team won't benefit from these funds, they are not considered as an exceptional "extra".
These coins will be converted to Bitcoin as soon as it is possible, the escrows will handle the process and add the funds to the escrow address.
These coins are considered as exceptional extra funds for the project."

How these funds would benefit the "project" but not the team is unclear.

In any event, Lauda did claim BCH.
Look here https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z
3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z was the btc escrow address (which held 1497.22 btc) at the time of the bch fork which occurred on 2017-08-01  12:20 p.m. UTC.
On Aug 7/17, 1497.22 bch were sent from …p1Z to 1AWiFCKWxWHHvvLdvjGHXG3ViiDs8RE5x7 and then on to 1GkXv39S13k9yyDLtyXR8MsaYWKzRB1JLe, an exchange address that held 43K bch on that day.
This sale would have netted about 112 btc.
Then, if you look here https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf  you will see that later the same day, 93.999 btc arrived on the btc escrow address.
This suggests that Lauda pocketed about 18 btc or usd $60,000 at the time (usd $120k today). Not bad for 30 minutes of work.

2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds on: August 23, 2018, 11:39:42 AM
@Boudali.Miloud
do you mind telling us the source?

Sure.

For btc,
During the crowdsale, investors were asked to send funds to the escrow address 3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z which was published in post #1 of the main nvo thread.
Lauda updated it to “354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf” after the bch fork last year but it hasn’t been updated since then.

blockchain.info tells us that on Aug 3/17, all funds on “3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z” were sent to “3QV4kZtdzE8S2XdYXMbYQrgaJYBfDnypCC” and then to ”354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf”.
This was done in order for Lauda to safely claim bch.
Following the money from ”354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf” onward will reveal the other addresses I have posted.


For the altcoins, can I PM you the sources?
I have no objections if you decide to make all or part of that information public.
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds on: August 22, 2018, 03:42:16 AM
And these are the altcoin escrow addresses, the dates they were created and the initial balances:

CoinAddressDate createdBalance
DASHXvL4uRRnwhwDiCUTSJB4Kp2JeWom9ZBkrC2017-07-02 04:34:381,916.58818631 dash
DOGEDLN2kTLDiMm6qsGoR1uCgPm1sZqa3ouxzF2017-07-04 14:36:3423,580,328.23162458 doge
ETH0x3EAE795303522b8FBff85bB113E2EE4eabfAce9A2017-08-08 06:36:206,478.235883 eth
ETC0x00d3B8f4739870D66383e15C4693CEd012178ba110 Aug 2017, 10:534,126.0107 ETC
LTCLiUAhNeKWXEC2Kj875QGM4inoPEXiPhw2w2017-07-01 22:48:077,807.37375203 LTC
maidsafecoin1Mt7MCS6b6hemmL63hZjAdLtbqxCVmh2CZ11/27/2016 7:42:57 AM765,482 maid
waves3PB7m9gLbUs3VVQEKkSuWL4QTvc4xg3UvGC2017-07-05 11:15:1531,108.76280603 waves
ripplerwdLr5vj7tg63FrEN7hdJaVQVPHieXgBAL2017-08-08 15:451,270,586 xrp


Pls note that all of the escrowed altcoins with the exception of ETC and some MAID were sent to Bittrex in July and August of 2017.
Who moved the Dash, Doge and Waves (worth usd $775,000 at the time) is unknown since nvo has never publicly stated which escrow was put in charge of those coins.

In an interesting twist, why “unknown” decided to remove 10 etc from the escrow address earlier today is unknown at this time.
4  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds on: August 22, 2018, 02:57:34 AM
@OgNasty, vlom and others who are not yet Legendary.

These are the btc escrow addresses, the dates they were created and the initial btc balances:

AddressDate createdBalance
3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z2017-05-22 17:43:590
3QV4kZtdzE8S2XdYXMbYQrgaJYBfDnypCC 2017-08-03 22:33:411497.22346798
354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf2017-08-05 18:38:361497.22086451
3ECo88VpXVaYSongyYxTYKLHNw16J1cRLK2017-11-24 17:05:051593.96883892
3Bcy5PXBjHdv5Vh3x3w8Fsi5RFPsuZzfvq2017-12-14 23:53:501313.96466437
3D8LSnVv3DvwkXdmTtAsUzygeQUzpDJcPv2018-01-07 20:39:111313.96255714
38PtcLxfmaNJnYHJR4Kpy2qXUFHkaTq8RX2018-06-28 16:15:021243.96201852
36Uh2ine6UzWGPTDYdENqS6pj6Rzx4Q67R2018-07-20 19:43:091143.96193946


Pls note the unexplained removal of 170 btc from escrow starting on June 28/18, the one year anniversary of the end of the crowdsale.
5  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds on: August 22, 2018, 02:26:24 AM
It might also dispel the rumors that those coins were sold and the proceeds used to partially reimburse Coinpayments users who lost all of their XRP in the “hack” of June 5/17.
Who exactly is spreading these rumors and where? Another shill account spreading nonsense. Roll Eyes

Why are you replying to a post that shouldn’t concern you in any way? Roll Eyes

Also, do you not see the hypocrisy in your statement which claims that mine is a shill account, while yours is currently shilling 24/7 for “FortuneJack”, an online gambling site?
Tell me something: Do you fully endorse this site and the social harm it causes or do you hold your nose when you count the coins they send you each week?

In any event, pls run along now and finish selling all of the altcoins that you sent to Bittrex more than a year ago.
6  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds on: August 18, 2018, 07:29:24 PM
@wtf_is_going_on
You’re forgetting the 4th escrow: Alex Alexandrov, Chairman and CEO of Coinpayments who was put in charge of the maidsafe coins pledged in the crowdsale.
He should also provide an audit of these coins in a public and transparent manner.
It would tell us what happened to the 229,644 MAID he sent from the escrow address 1Mt7MCS6b6hemmL63hZjAdLtbqxCVmh2CZ to Bittrex on Aug 18, 2017.
It might also dispel the rumors that those coins were sold and the proceeds used to partially reimburse Coinpayments users who lost all of their XRP in the “hack” of June 5/17.
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