yeah the telegram is gone.

i lost some investment in that as well

always bad to put eggs in one basket

 

courtesy of http://cs.brown.edu/~mph/

i suppose u already cashed our your initial investment. now i suggest u to keep 1/3, transfer 1/3 into eth, and do whatever u want with the remaining 1/3.

我觉得mcafee是个老顽童，说话很不负责，不能全信
比特币等的理想很丰满
但现实。。。

kyc等等都还没解决
在这种前提下说美元是骗局完全是哗众取宠

我觉得深洋葱并没有那么厉害
因为想法听上去没有什么创意
tor这个东西satoshi在09年就讨论过： https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7.msg30#msg30
洋葱只是自动连tor，可以算一个用户体验的升级
但并无任何技术突破
关于 deepsend, deepvault，我也没细看，不知道到底有什么特殊的，
现在匿名主要靠两个技术，网络层的靠tor，以及一些密码的算法
tor谁会用，而算法匿名已经被 zcash,monero等等做了很多遍了
因此我认为洋葱在想法和技术上没有突破

接下来说团队、认真、营销等等
做得好却是可以火
但这些在币圈都不是王道

以太，比特币，以及monero等等初期的时候
都是非常简单明了的想法
懂得人一听都很激动
洋葱没有给我这样的感觉

你犯了两个错误：
1. 听别人的推荐，要不你也不会买洋葱
2. 只买了一种币

其实变现不容易是ico比较热的一个原因
因为比特币量大了以后除了投ico没有任何实际用处

那当然要自己鉴别了
骗子看上的币一般来说还是有人气的
总归算多一个信息来源吧

类似 bitcointalk 的论坛
主要是altcoin

lol，帖子价值高了
但发帖热情少了

前几天有个币的客服加了我
给我详细地介绍币
我觉得挺贴心的
真是非常仔细
后来说如果要买token的话把钱寄到这个地址就行了
我一看怎么和网站上不一样
就知道是骗子
但后骂了一顿就没理了

但没把它删掉
结果接下来这两个星期它可忙
每天换头像，写某个新的币的客服等等
从它的头像和名字里我还真的发现了不少新币
真希望telegram上多几个这样的骗子朋友
这样我可以更好地把握现在什么比较热

哎，你咋挂着semux

我们这个论坛也应该发一个币

闪电网络进入公测

众所周知，区块链现在最大的问题就是拥塞，这导致交易费高昂，交易缓慢，不仅让主干币(bitcoin,eth)奇慢无比，除了作为投资和运行别的币的工具没什么别的用处，也催生了无数号称能解决这个问题的代币。闪电网络是接下来在区块链真正会发生的事，号称可以把小额转款做到非常快和便宜。（其原理和 PoS 有点像，就是说双方各抵押 0.5 BTC，然后双方就可以快速地进行 0.5 BTC 信用额度之内的转款，一旦发现作弊就没收作弊者的押金。）这个技术也没有特别牛逼，但它如果成功带来的商业应用是非常可观的，可以完全改变现在区块链的辐射范围。高频低耗小额转款技术成熟之后，区块链剑指 Visa/Mastercard 等信用机构就只是时间问题了。现在闪电网络总算进入公测，尽管还有很多不完善的地方，但是希望还是很明显的。

和币圈的很多别的事情比起来，我觉得解决流量是即本质又可行的一个点，所以也是当前区块链的最强音。

欢迎讨论。

（关于闪电网络我看的是 https://lightning.network/，应该也有中文的文档，欢迎交流～）


币圈的其他一些我觉得还比较有意思的事情：
- 怎么解决kyc和身份认证，这个问题和流量一样重要，但目前看来没有一条清晰的路，而且从技术的角度来看太凌乱
- 国际政治经济与区块链的互动，从加拿大/俄罗斯吸引挖矿，到委内瑞拉发行石油币，可以看出区块链的国际地位上升。是否会有小国一夜暴富？国际规则向来混乱而微妙。区块链尽管是一种去中心化的技术，但背后承诺的却是更加融合的国际秩序。像一张网一样把一堆心不甘情不愿的国家兜在一起，一切宏观经济的基石，从税收到贸易壁垒，都收到一定程度的动摇。不管有没有区块链，等待人类的不是人类大同就是第三次世界大战，区块链在里面起的作用令人唏嘘。回看今天各国的姿态，从故意装作没看见的，到唯恐天下不乱的，惟妙惟肖。

这是一条挺艰难的路，不过加我一个吧

我觉得中文区也挺有信仰的
大家都很团结
也没有骗子
比特币，既然作为币，赚钱必然是重要因素之一
中文区在这儿不是主流
我想国内做NEO等的核心成员也估计不在这儿发文
我们这儿就算在BTT的一个前哨基地吧
最近merit搞得很多人不爽
说不定在打压下中文区反而能产生一些独特的信仰
任何东西都要一个发展过程，
如果要有信仰的话，
要对中文社区有点信仰哦

太坏了，不知道有什么好的中文论坛可以上的

I think the current debates ultimately boils down to one thing: managing a growing and vibrant community like BTT is hard. There are now more economic incentives to level up for signature campaigns and the system allowed it to be gamed by posting shit-posts. To close this loophole the merit system was introduced, which may or may not work; the forum is waiting to see what happens next.

From my point of view, the challenge is to effectively promoting quality content / members without discouraging the "spirit of freedom". We have a good lesson to learn from the early internet which underwent the exactly phase. There were a lot of garbage content online and it was hard to find useful things. The problem was later well solved by Google's PageRank algorithm -- pretty much a decentralized "merit-system". The more merit a webpage has, the more merit it adds to those webpages it links to.

What's different between PageRank and the current merit system is that PageRank is decentralized while the current merit system is centralized. PageRank is decentralized in that there are no webpage that is considered "source of merit". Every webpage can contribute merits to its downstream links no matter how little merit it can contribute. I think this is what people are complains about. Right now if 10000 newbie members likes a post, the poster won't get merit. The poster only get merit if a senior member likes it. This might be an exaggerated example but it reveals where the system might be improved.

A natural thought is to implement something like a like or +1 system where a like from A to B's post is considered a link from A to B; a PageRank algorithm can then be ran to figure out everyone's merit. However, even if this is the case, it'd take a long time for the forum to accumulate likes to obtain meaningful results. But still I think this is the right direction and I'd love to have a like button to click when I like a post. Over time, the forum might got enough likes data to evaluate this option.

With that said, there is difference between webpage score and BTT merit/levels -- webpage score fluctuates while BTT merit/levels monotonically increase. So when we ran the PageRank algorithm, we can lower cap everyone's merit with their existing merits. I think this is still an improvement, because I only needs to focus on likes while the system figures out the merit outcome for me. I also think it is good to give all newbies a non-zero merit to start with.

Last but not least, even with PageRank there are SEO algorithms that can game the system. But that still would be much harder comparing to having no merit control at all.

Thoughts?

莲花是啥？能不能给个链接，查不到