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1  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Linux vs Windows for Dedicated Mining on: June 30, 2011, 03:21:13 PM
At peak MH/j Linux has a higher MH/s rate than Windows from the testing we did.  This probably has a lot to do with the fact Linux in general has a lot less 'overhead' than Windows.

I'll give you an example, card A is an ATI 5770 we found on this specific card the optimal MH/j was core 947mhz, memory 321mhz...  Under Windows this card averaged 197.9 MH/s over a 15 minute period, with those exact same settings we are getting 212.3 MH/s under Linux.  15 MH/s isn't a lot, but you factor in we were able to then remove the HD and the CPU load (and thus power usage) is lower, the Linux system has a much better profit margin than the Windows.

Now, our measurements aren't exact...  we took a network power switch/battery backup, and pulled snmp power usage every 15 seconds for a 15 minute period.  Then we wrote a script that would move the core and memory settings up and down until it found a sweet spot in MH/j for a specific card.  We ran this test on 8 different cards from 2 different vendors in the 5770 line, the results are similar for all the cards in that test.  We ran the same test on a smaller batch of 5850's and 6950's again with similar results.

If all you know is Windows, and you're setting up a single mining rig, then it probably doesn't make sense to worry about those numbers as much...  if you're trying to setup a bunch of rigs and plan to operate long term in a 20-30% profit margin...  every little bit of cost savings helps.

Not to mention, that writing a script to remotely move the core and memory mhz settings remotely in windows would not have been an easy undertaking.  IMHO (and it's just an opinion) Linux wins hands down as the better dedicated mining rig OS.

Did you read my post?  I'm assuming when you write MHZ, you really mean MH/s.  First, we were trying to find the most profitable settings, surprisingly as you overclock, while you're MH/s increases, often your MH/j tends to decrease, meaning while you get more BTC, it costs you more per BTC to generate them.

Yes I did read your post and yes I did mean Mh/s. If you're just talking about profitability then why did you specifically say that Linux was far faster than Windows? Did your testing show Linux to have a greater hash rate or not?

2  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Linux vs Windows for Dedicated Mining on: June 30, 2011, 03:26:23 AM
Did you read my post?  I'm assuming when you write MHZ, you really mean MH/s.  First, we were trying to find the most profitable settings, surprisingly as you overclock, while you're MH/s increases, often your MH/j tends to decrease, meaning while you get more BTC, it costs you more per BTC to generate them.

So, while AMDOverdriveCtrl doesn't allow you to overclock as much as certain Windows tools, the sweet spot was *always* within the range of a linux system without having to jump through hoops.Now your point probably is that makes them even...  but it doesn't...

In theory you're having to buy a Windows license to run that dedicated mining rig...  that costs money...  you're most likely putting Windows on a hard drive, which costs a lot more than network booting, or thumb drives, that costs extra money...  Windows requires dummy plugs for each card, that costs money, and makes management that much harder...  and remote management takes a little more setup time, costing you time, and as we all know time is money...  More money spent means less profit Smiley

So yeah, if you know what you're doing in Linux, it's more profitable than Windows for dedicated mining rigs.

Linux hands down is going to be more profitable if you know what you're doing.  We ran extensive tests on 58xx and 69xx systems running both Windows XP and Ubuntu 11 even with the "limited" overclocking controls we found Linux to be faster by far than Windows.  Keep in mind that we first searched for the sweet spot of profitability, sometimes overclocking reduces your profit margin.

Long term this is a game about maximizing profit, and while maxing out MH/s seems like the thing to do, you should be much more concerned with MH/J, we found that over clocking outside of the 'normal' settings, resulted in a lower MH/J in all cases.

Then you obviously don't know what you are doing. Post some settings and screenshots and we'll soon find out if you're talking fanboy crap. With a 5830 the best hash rate you're going to get is around 330 MHz in Windows. "Faster by far" would be around 400 MHz. So, lets see then.

3  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Linux vs Windows for Dedicated Mining on: June 30, 2011, 03:10:45 AM
Linux hands down is going to be more profitable if you know what you're doing.  We ran extensive tests on 58xx and 69xx systems running both Windows XP and Ubuntu 11 even with the "limited" overclocking controls we found Linux to be faster by far than Windows.  Keep in mind that we first searched for the sweet spot of profitability, sometimes overclocking reduces your profit margin.

Long term this is a game about maximizing profit, and while maxing out MH/s seems like the thing to do, you should be much more concerned with MH/J, we found that over clocking outside of the 'normal' settings, resulted in a lower MH/J in all cases.
Yeah i know that. The only thing i wasn't aware is that the tool i gave link before isn't working on 69xx series.  Sadly there are more developers for windows.
AMDOverdriveCtrl works with 6950's and 6970's just fine.
4  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: ubuntu ??? motre like un"boot"tu ! on: June 29, 2011, 12:47:57 PM
I went for the 32 bit flavour because it said "recommended" even though i've got a x64 i7 !!! ....... im wondering if its a gfx card problem ?!?! if so how do i get round that ?!

Try the x64 version and see if it works.  Probably not a graphical problem.
5  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Linux vs Windows for Dedicated Mining on: June 29, 2011, 12:44:58 PM
Linux hands down is going to be more profitable if you know what you're doing.  We ran extensive tests on 58xx and 69xx systems running both Windows XP and Ubuntu 11 even with the "limited" overclocking controls we found Linux to be faster by far than Windows.  Keep in mind that we first searched for the sweet spot of profitability, sometimes overclocking reduces your profit margin.

Long term this is a game about maximizing profit, and while maxing out MH/s seems like the thing to do, you should be much more concerned with MH/J, we found that over clocking outside of the 'normal' settings, resulted in a lower MH/J in all cases.
6  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Anyone else get busted by the cops for "suspicious" energy consumption! on: June 29, 2011, 01:29:24 AM
Another troll went out of the newbie cage -_- Cops do not tell you "We ran fly over thermal scan which picked up a higher than normal heat signature coming from his utility room"

No that would just be in the search warrant they're required to give you a copy of (at least here in the US) when they perform the search.
7  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Anyone else get busted by the cops for "suspicious" energy consumption! on: June 28, 2011, 01:11:03 PM

funny

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I'm sorry but I call BS...  It's easy enough to prove us wrong...  post the town and state he lives in...  or if it's rural, the county and state...  That search warrant is public record, so it will be easy enough for one of us to call and confirm there was a DEA raid there.

dude its totally plausible, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to see that

I don't think it is true...  easy enough to prove me wrong.  Where did it happen?
8  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Anyone else get busted by the cops for "suspicious" energy consumption! on: June 28, 2011, 01:03:13 PM
Probable urban legend. It always happens to an unidentified buddy, never to the poster.
Actually I'm just posting as he's not exactly a talker on here and only signed up recently to get out of the newbie section in case he does need to make a post.
I'll find out his name if you like

Also trust me at the moment he's not in the mood to come on here and talk about this right now.
Was just on the phone to him about it and well if I was woke from my slumber with a gun in my face I'd be a little shook up too

I'm sorry but I call BS...  It's easy enough to prove us wrong...  post the town and state he lives in...  or if it's rural, the county and state...  That search warrant is public record, so it will be easy enough for one of us to call and confirm there was a DEA raid there.
9  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Why are much people mining with less than 100 Mh/s ??? on: June 28, 2011, 01:47:04 AM
Can't tell if srs or not.  Most likely these people are mining for the FUN of it.  For a lot of us mining for bitcoins, no matter what the difficulty is, draws a form of primal satisfaction similar to watching your HD defragment. Smiley

This

Also I don't pay anything extra for electricity and my computer is on all day anyway so why not have it fire up mining when the system is idle?
I even mine on an old pci card also that I found in my old stuff, it manages like 2mh Smiley

Most modern chips use less power when they're idling than when they're running under load...  so you're paying more for power to mine even if you normally left your computer on 24/7.
10  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 6950 Worth it for Mining? on: June 11, 2011, 02:45:13 AM
The Sapphire 1GB 6950 is $250 shipped on newegg, plus there's currently a $20 MIR but assuming that doesn't work I should still be able to get 420MH/s out of the card with proper overclocking. At the current difficulty level thats ~.75BTC/day and I realize this will drop about once a week but I still feel that it will be profitable, and in any case my desktop could really use an upgrade from an old 4550.

Anyone think this is a bad idea?

You won't get anywhere near 420MH/s out of that card...  More like 325-335...  It's not a reference card so you can't unlock the shaders on it...  Otherwise it's a good card.
11  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Need advise on mining components on: June 01, 2011, 07:57:30 PM
@wigsgiw 5830 is 8$ cheaper than 5850 - 280$ Smiley

@JayC I just managed to get 190MHash/s but a core temp of 85C is way too high

Something is wrong with your airflow then...  I'm getting 212 Mh/s out of a 5770 in a dual card config, one is 58C and the other 67C.

Have you underclocked the memory down to 300mhz?  What software are you using?  SDK version?
12  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Need advise on mining components on: June 01, 2011, 11:30:46 AM
You should be getting 200+ Mh/s out of a 5770...  You should spend sometime tweaking the settings and learning how to get the most out of your card(s) before spending money on new cards.
13  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Nagios plugin for monitoring GPU temperature and fan speed? on: May 29, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
I may throw some BTC at a person who could write a nagios plugin that would monitor the temperature using aticonfig utility. Anyone else interested in getting such a thing?

Send me a PM, I've already got the gpu temps into snmpd on linux and getting that into opennms or nagios would be pretty straight forward.
14  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Hobbyist miners forced out today? on: May 27, 2011, 06:13:16 PM
Given that entry line and enthusiast AMD gfx cards scale in their mhash per Watt, I see zero argument / sense in differentiating between "hobby" miners vs "pros".

How could there be? The MARGIN stays the same issue regardless of how much VOLUME you have.

If it somehow becomes unprofitable for the current AMD generation of gfx cards, it becomes unprofitable for _ALL_ of them.

Regardless of whether it is some dude running 10 machines of 6990s or one normal guy with a 5770 - setting aside other hardware components / power draw sources, of course.

You're focusing on just the cards, not the infrastructure, power costs, or labor...  If you're paying $.25 per kwh and I'm paying $.08 kwh...  things become unprofitable for you, way before they do for me.

Also scale as well...  if you have 1 machine making $1 USD a day profit... it might not be worth the headache....  but if I have 200 machines making $1 a day profit it might very well be worth the headache.
15  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining at 100 mhash with my 5770.. on: May 22, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
...Also, what is the temp on the card?  It will slow down a lot if the temp gets too high.
Really? Aren't GPU's built to withstand 90-100C heat without affecting performance?

My experience with the 5770's is that at some point they slow down due to the heat...  That is somewhere north of 80C when that happens, my Mh/s rate dropped like a stone, it was reproducible on my cards...  once I drop the temp down no more problems.  Might just be my model of the 5770's... but I wouldn't want to run a card that hot 90+C for very long.
16  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining at 7566.57 MH/s... should I go solo, etc? on: May 22, 2011, 04:38:01 PM
Anyone saying he should go solo...
Probably never have studied statistics...
Or are just some degen gambler...

Go read up on Poisson distribution...
You be suprised how huge variance is...
He could mine for week++ with no blocks...
At this difficulty level...

Actually going solo...
Could break his operation...
Unless he is degen gambler...
3% for reduced variance is nothing here...



More importantly, there are pools out there with 0% or .5% fees...  It's worth the effort to use a pool even 8Gh/s.
17  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining at 100 mhash with my 5770.. on: May 22, 2011, 04:31:13 PM
something seems to be wrong. no mods that i do with overclocking helps. it's stays at 100 mhash. I checked https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison and saw a guy with a vapor-x who had 200? I run phoenix with the following tags:

-k poclbm DEVICE=0 VECTORS BFI_INT AGGRESSION=5

I did a little bit of searching on 5770 but nothing came up.

Is somebody wise enough to know if I simply suck or if I'm just unlucky with my GFX

Try this:

-k phatk DEVICE=0 VECTORS BFI_INT FASTLOOP=false AGGRESSION=9

I'm running 5770's at 960 with that command and getting about 212-213 Mh/s

Also, what is the temp on the card?  It will slow down a lot if the temp gets too high.
18  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining at 7566.57 MH/s... should I go solo, etc? on: May 22, 2011, 01:48:07 PM
@Clavulanic: I am running these stock with fan cooling only. I am expanding watercooling to all soon (the watercooled machine is 400MH/s per GPU and running around 60'C).  Stock (which mine are, except for 2x cards) are expected to be at 300Mh/s, so I do not understand why I should be way above 7.5GH/s.

If you have any suggestions on how to "fine tune" my operation - let me know. It is always easier to tell someone else to destroy their $800 card instead of your own :-)

Where to begin...  first Linux, I'd install it, phoenix, and use 2.4 SDK and phatz kernel.  I'd experiment with underclocking the memory on the card, you should be able to find a sweet spot, and at the same time reduce heat production (you don't need the memory speed for mining, by reducing it, you don't hurt anything on the card).

I would expect you should be able to get 8.4+ Gh/s without having to overclock the core.

Phatk and memory underclocking does 0 or negative differance on the 69xx gpus. do read up some before spitting out that.

I have 6950's running and did see a slight bump in using phatz (4 or 5 Mh/s), and underclocking the memory doesn't hurt performance in my experience and does seem to help reduce heat.  You notice I didn't state that he would see a Mh/s bump from reducing the memory clock, only that he should be able to find a sweet spot where it doesn't hurt Mh/s and does reduce heat.
19  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining at 7566.57 MH/s... should I go solo, etc? on: May 22, 2011, 01:24:58 PM
@Clavulanic: I am running these stock with fan cooling only. I am expanding watercooling to all soon (the watercooled machine is 400MH/s per GPU and running around 60'C).  Stock (which mine are, except for 2x cards) are expected to be at 300Mh/s, so I do not understand why I should be way above 7.5GH/s.

If you have any suggestions on how to "fine tune" my operation - let me know. It is always easier to tell someone else to destroy their $800 card instead of your own :-)

Where to begin...  first Linux, I'd install it, phoenix, and use 2.4 SDK and phatz kernel.  I'd experiment with underclocking the memory on the card, you should be able to find a sweet spot, and at the same time reduce heat production (you don't need the memory speed for mining, by reducing it, you don't hurt anything on the card).

I would expect you should be able to get 8.4+ Gh/s without having to overclock the core.
20  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Modified Kernel for Phoenix 1.4 on: May 21, 2011, 03:23:52 PM
Works very well. I am getting over 440 Mhash/s on HD 5870 (1000/375) with -k phatk AGGRESSION=13 WORKSIZE=256 VECTORS BFI_INT and about 416 Mhash/s on poclbm. However my other HD 5870 running at 950/375 with same switches only hashes about 410 MHash/s with phatk while poclbm gives about 400MHash/s.


Just out of curiosity, how do you tell what worksize you need for a specific card?
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