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1  Economy / Lending / Re: 11$ BTC LOAN on: December 17, 2017, 04:35:37 AM
So, in the end you'll have all your money back plus interest. No worries. Just give me a few hours with the loan and you'll be taken care of and I appericate your interest and possible help Smiley

I'm sure your intentions are pure and you have every intention to pay back (after the dice roll right), but do you realize you're going to pay $30 in fees for an $11 loan?

Will the dice give you more than $30 to pay back the $11 and make some profit in just a few hours?

Good gawd.
2  Economy / Lending / Re: Looking for a $2500 dollar loan on: December 17, 2017, 03:28:59 AM

Why wouldn't Investing be a good idea with what was left? Meaning over time it would be up to be able to be paid forward to others who "Type with crack pipe in hand" as I was so eloquently accused of doing.

This isn't GoFundMe, so come up with something better to scam, or be on your way. $2,500 because you have the hiccups....good gawd....my heart bleeds. Where can I send the money to?!

You can't afford medical care...you can't afford to pay anyone back....
3  Economy / Lending / Re: Looking for a $2500 dollar loan on: December 17, 2017, 03:22:40 AM

People with health problems have no time to invest or gamble.


Well said!!!!
4  Economy / Lending / Re: Looking for a $2500 dollar loan on: December 17, 2017, 03:09:52 AM
How did you manage to type with your crack pipe in hand? Kudos to you.

Prepare yourself for the red paint attack.........at least you're high and won't feel a thing.......
5  Economy / Currency exchange / $100 PayPal for BTC on: December 16, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
I have $100 in PayPal I want to unload for BTC. 1:1

I have a verified, business PayPal account so you don't have to worry about me 1) going through the pain to complete a chargeback, and 2) ruin my account's reputation with PayPal.

Your PayPal account must be able to accept PayPal USD and any fees in receiving PayPal are on you.

Message me if interested.
6  Economy / Lending / Re: $2 loan on: December 16, 2017, 04:17:06 PM
This is laughable, however, I think you'll still get smacked with $20 in fees after trying to do it this way.

You'll make more selling a pint of blood for $5...you'll get whatever it is you need to buy...have $3 extra....and you could save a life.  Cheesy
7  Economy / Securities / Re: Any Safe 1.5% Monthly? on: December 16, 2017, 03:29:58 AM
Sorry, just realized signature scammers resurrected a post from December of last year. My bad. Disregard my post. Jackasses.
8  Economy / Securities / Re: Any Safe 1.5% Monthly? on: December 16, 2017, 02:54:19 AM
1.5% per month is conservative and achievable. You need to watch for schemes offering high returns in a very short period of time. A flashy website or high return doesn't mean a thing. In fact, those things should be warning signs more than a sense of excitement.  If you are looking to get rich fast in the investing world, then you can save yourself some time and hassle by simply throwing $20 out of your car window while driving. Your end result will be the same.

The safest, predictable investment I participated in is a private investment club. There are several reasonable ones out there. Google it and look for the ones posting lower returns compared to the ones posting get-rich-quick percentages.

I can only share a brief overview of one club I participated in. This may give you some ideas of what to watch for.

The investment club I was in is private and they operate by referral only (no referral commissions, however. They just don't want to deal with people who don't understand conservative, ongoing investing.)

They only accept BTC for initial investment and they payout ROC/profits via PayPal USD. I once asked why and they said to minimize chargeback risk.

My initial investment was .0035 BTC. Payouts were made weekly in USD to my PayPal account. I think I received payments on Saturday/Sunday. They covered the PayPal fees so I received the full amount in my PayPal account.  I wanted to do multiple simultaneous investments but they would only allow one at a time. According to my buddy who got me in, they reject more club members than they accept.

My payments were made for 28 weeks. The ~$2.45 per week in PayPal USD was return of capital and interest combined. Sounds like a weak return of 12.4% over 28 weeks, but I also essentially converted BTC to USD without fees or hassle.

To keep the playing field level, the minimum investment was .002 BTC and the maximum was .006 BTC. (Basically, $35-$105 USD)

In one of the three investments I've made over the past year or more, I received one unexpected bonus payout because the club investors made out big on a trade (In fairness, I didn't count that in my return calculations because it only happened once.)

They truly see it as "our" money instead of "their" money.

For disclosure: This is not a solicitation or advert. All the numbers I am listing are calculated using current BTC market rates and USD conversions. I invested in this private club successfully three times. However, I do not have a current stake in this investment club. I do have two friends who are active today (otherwise I wouldn't have even typed all this.) I do plan to invest again toward the middle of January...but right now I have holiday gifts to buy. Smiley I can provide more details via PM because it is only for people within the US with verified US PayPal accounts only.
9  Economy / Lending / Re: Seeking Long Term Loan Or Investors for Consensus Mining Operation on: December 15, 2017, 08:24:12 AM
Lucrative , Physical Mining Operation Ran by consensus decision
Announcement Topic
Compounding % of profit after ROI is met towards network sustainability and growth instead of nulling out.
No sketchy papal ,gift card exchanging,margin trading or anything like that.
Legality's covered and 100% Transparency with exception of network security measures. If really interested , message to ask for white papers and entity release.
Really do not need a loan per-say but will accept a reasonable term. Id also like any input regarding finding investors for this type of endeavor. Cannot be backed by bank measure's I've checked due to it being a speculative venture. But I've had loan officers call me after hours personally interested Wink The white papers are beautiful! Hit me up!


Let's talk about English proficiency (we'll leave spacing and comma use alone for now):


Compounding % of profit after ROI is met towards network sustainability and growth instead of nulling out.
No sketchy papal ,gift card exchanging,margin trading or anything like that.
Legality's covered and 100% Transparency with exception of network security measures. If really interested , message to ask for white papers and entity release.
Really do not need a loan per-say but will accept a reasonable term. Id also like any input regarding finding investors for this type of endeavor. Cannot be backed by bank measure's I've checked due to it being a speculative venture. But I've had loan officers call me after hours personally interested Wink The white papers are beautiful! Hit me up!
10  Economy / Lending / Re: Loan request on: December 10, 2017, 12:05:30 AM
your account doesn't worth that much sorry especially with your current rep  Undecided
can you offer any other type of collateral ?
You say it as if I broke my obligations to someone. Please, explain your message.

I can't speak for the other person, but I believe they were trying to say you have no trust or feedback in your profile...especially considering the registration date.

Since you have an aged member account, I'd think you'd have other people around here by now who may consider a zero collateral loan. With your account level and amount, I personally would PM someone I know on this forum and not create a thread.

I was tempted for a brief moment, but the small change I risk or throw out the window in my world may be huge money in yours. Too many folks in the scam world try to play on the fact that my simple $20-$30 may equate to a month salary in your world.

And please note, I'm not saying you are a scammer...just weird.
11  Economy / Lending / Re: Loan Request on: December 09, 2017, 02:04:55 AM
My gut says that this loan request oddly stinks of someone else on this [lending] forum who very recently defaulted on a bunch of investors and posted in their thread today that they "found a new method" to earn profits.  I'm willing to be wrong but I don't think I am.
12  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Investment program looking for new ideas on: December 03, 2017, 07:26:20 PM
Lmao this story sounds fimilar. I have a few questions. Which ponzi scheme were you guys watching?  Roll Eyes
Mind showing us the mechanism you have in place? Do you have collateral for what users will invest with you guys? Mind showing us your spreadsheets? Why should we trust you?  Also at the rate bitcoin is climbing, those $20 or $30 can be made within a day without risking our money to strangers on the internet. Long story short i have seen this story before and it ends up with OP getting red paint all over their profile.

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So why people can't just pay you in fiat?
Cuz people can charge back if they fail to deliver the results. That's why. It's a poor scam attempt to say the least.


We are looking for active investment/income ideas...not new investors. Passive income bores us. We tend to be into more active things because we enjoy the thrill of making a little money.  Plus it gives us an excuse to get together and have some adult beverages a couple nights a week.

With that said, I'm happy to share our current spreadsheet. It normally rests on Google Docs for all to see in real-time. I blocked out some info before I took the screenshot. It might give you some ideas to create your own investment group.
13  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Investment program looking for new ideas on: December 03, 2017, 04:12:53 PM
We are not looking to start here, or open it up here.

Our current model works. We are looking for ideas for other BTC revenue that is not HYIP, gaming or the rest. Some risk is fine -- high risk isn't.

You can create a domain which relevant to any bitcoin projects. Which can be used as trading site for all the crypto currencies. Recently many ICO projects comes in the different platform but exchange projects and which is close to the cryptos only goes move further as best project and some of the project suceeded and find a best altcoin in market place after sometime.

Thanks for the idea. It seems to me that there are many trading/exchange sites out there. The time and resources required to develop and compete with other sites will require a little more than our core group can or wants to handle. (Although I personally wouldn't mind a site for the BTC>PayPal transactions to get me out of spreadsheet hell.  Grin )
14  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Investment program looking for new ideas on: December 03, 2017, 02:23:19 PM
We are not looking to start here, or open it up here.

Our current model works. We are looking for ideas for other BTC revenue that is not HYIP, gaming or the rest. Some risk is fine -- high risk isn't.
15  Economy / Service Discussion / Investment program looking for new ideas on: December 03, 2017, 03:54:42 AM
After closely watching a failed investment/Ponzi scam on this site, me and two buddies (the "brain trust") are sitting here with some drinks and a spreadsheet talking about what made us successful for 35 months straight. We have some ideas but we'd like to hear your ideas for improvement as well.

Before I give the bullet points, you should know that we have been investing together for basically three years. We have known each other for longer than that. Anyway, we each make $20-$30 USD profit per month. We are each investing our original $500 each month on the 15th. We've broken-even maybe twice but never experienced a principal loss. We had one month with a HUGE gain but that was simply luck. We purchase discounted gift/prepaid cards and sell them at a premium. We have systems in place to minimize our risk by 60%+. We never lose our original investment but our profit does vary from month-to-month. We don't guarantee a profit percent per month but we do guarantee the original investment 0f $500 (between the three of us, we will cover it for the members if all else fails.) Our average profit is $20-$30 per month, per member. We think our system is good but we're looking for ways to improve. What are we doing right? What are we doing wrong?


- We keep each investment group limited to 20 people
- Each person invests $500 (.05 BTC right now). No person can put in more or less
- Everything is converting to USD at the time of transaction
- Everything is paid out in USD
- We think a $10,000 total investment portfolio is financially healthy for one investment group. (Better said, we can easily cover $10,000 between the three of us.)
- We have a policy in place on how to purchase and sell gift/prepaid cards
- We don't purchase a gift/prepaid cards greater than 80% of value
- We have mechanisms in place to immediately cash out/sell the cards we accept before sending BTC (the 'you send first mentality'). We zero out the specific cards the moment the other party accepts and we send BTC. We even use escrow with success.
- Sometimes we buy BTC for PayPal USD (with a profit margin, of course)
- We have zero nuisance/scam complaints. Everyone receives their BTC; we receive our cash value
- Payouts to investment members are on the 14th of the month in USD via PayPal
- Paul is the payout guy (for the record)
- Reinvestment is on the 15th of the month (none of us remember why we picked the 15th. We think it was because of Rob's pay cycle, but we really don't remember. Rob's not here right now because he's dealing with his oldest son's death on Monday.)


As I mentioned there are three of us here. Josh is the one sitting here thinking we could be more profitable. Your thoughts?

[Personally, TraderMJK thinks we don't need a flat $500 USD per person and can accept any amount per person with unit valuation. I do believe in the $10,000 total pool for the group. Paul thinks it's too much work for him to pay out.]
16  Economy / Lending / Re: Invest in Sweeet | First Legit Investor-Plan on: December 03, 2017, 03:48:28 AM
Yikes, so the math doesn't add up for you in all this?! Right down to the penny . . . Hmm. I'm beginning to suspect alts or hopefuls based on the replies and histories. In any case, I didn't lose a cent. So y'all keep going. I'm done. You have enough empirical evidence from me. Be well! Smiley
17  Economy / Lending / Re: Invest in Sweeet | First Legit Investor-Plan on: December 03, 2017, 02:16:02 AM
I still reckon sweeet will find his way through this like the others have said. He has not scammed yet, there's no reason why he would start now... Though I'm not sure he's ever got this volume of money at once before. Still as you said, never invest/gamble with more than you can afford to lose.

After getting burned like you did, hopefully you are just posting positive things hoping that other unsuspecting people will still have faith and invest and the ponzi will rollover enough to at minimum pay you off. You cannot be taking losing .16225 BTC (~$1,764 USD at the current rate) that lightly. And good for you if you are. I guess some people have funds available to simply burn with no ill-feelings.

But, in any case you, I have a deal for you!!!! For .16225 BTC I will sell you a pair of horse blinders to wear. No need for escrow. I will send first....I will even overnight ship them in the color of your choice. And if you act now.....you can run off with the blinders and not pay me. I will not leave negative feedback. In fact, I will keep saying positive things about you. I will even wait until I am 99 years old for you to pay me. Why? Because you are so loving that you would never step on an ant. I just know you are a good guy and you will make do.

Ohhh, wait, sorry, I forgot that you are already wearing blinders. You do not need blinders, therefore the deal is off.  Grin Grin Grin  Wink

Joking aside, if these investments are ever fulfilled, I suspect Sweeet/Osiris is going to start another ponzi or scam here or elsewhere to make that happen. That means other people will be cheated out of their hard-earned currencies or liquid assets. Wouldn't it be sad if you were an unsuspecting part of the new scam to help pay you and others off? At least on this scheme you earned three different times while others earned zero and lost investments. Well, in all fairness, you were also scammed in the end.

To change my mind about any of this, I would like to see Osiris' Paxful transactions from the last month posted within this thread. It should show Osiris bought $15,000 worth of gift cards for BTC on Paxful. Then I want to see the detailed profit/loss for each gift card purchased with that BTC. See, the original post offered a specific investment plan of BTC>gift cards. All other evidence shows Sweeet/Osiris used the money other than how he stated he would. Sweeet/Osiris is $15,000 richer...and at least 5 people here are $15,000 poorer. And even if Sweeet/Osiris lost the $15,000 in riches due to margin trading, there are $15,000 in sufferers because of Sweeet/Osiris.
18  Economy / Lending / Re: Invest in Sweeet | First Legit Investor-Plan on: December 02, 2017, 11:53:09 PM
It is impossible to legitimately guarantee any kind of interest or profit with high percentages like that without some other shady dealings/transactions.

I have been part of a group for nearly three years that has a very similar model for earning profits. No, I am not advertising or inviting anyone from here. The point is that in our small group the principal can reasonably be guaranteed, but never the ongoing profit. Two times in 35 months I only received my $500 back. I average $20-$30 profit each month...and I'm still using the same $500 from three years ago.  Some will scoff at such "low profit" but hey, it's a tank of gas or a nice meal out each month. I also know I will have my $500 back on the 14th in case some need arises.

If you want to stop getting screwed I think people need to build their BTC slowly. No more than 10% of your BTC should be in this kind of high-risk stuff. Stop thinking some random person in a forum is going to give you the Tom Vu ideal lifestyle. 99.999999% of the time that poster is probably a Tom Vu in disguise. The only people who get rich are those who will take advantage of your get-rick-quick greed. Forget the luxury yacht...and set a goal to earn tank of gas or candy bar instead.
19  Economy / Lending / Re: Invest in Sweeet | First Legit Investor-Plan on: December 02, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
Sorry, jackg, he most likely didn't use his own money. He basically took the equivalent of 50% of every investment made, including your investment.

Here's some math from the end of my previous long post:

...I ran some numbers using Lines 78-103 of the spreadsheet. Those lines seem to represent the best snapshot of time and activity.

In that snapshot of activity, the scheme took in 2.841 total BTC investments (26 investments)

It paid out 1.4606 BTC in return of capital and interest (15 investments)
(of the 1.4606 total paid out, 1.355 is return of capital and .1056 represents interest paid)

Still has 1.486 BTC of investor capital owing (11 investments)
Still has 0.14235 BTC in interest owing
1.486 + .14235 =  1.62835 owing

1.4606 (total paid out) + 1.486 (investor capital alone owing) = 2.9466 - 2.841 (total investments) = .1056
(Hmmm, .1056 is equal to the total amount of interest actually paid)

In about a month, he basically kept/spent/misused/bad traded/whatever 50% of the investments (~$15,000 at today's value) and threw up a misleading flag to end it.
20  Economy / Lending / Re: Invest in Sweeet | First Legit Investor-Plan on: December 02, 2017, 08:19:56 PM
Like I expected, it seems like you and a few others would need the money faster than me and have a better priority in getting it.
Sweet, if you need the 180+ days to collect the funds for me and can pay everyone else much faster then do it as I see you're quite honest and my investment is the largest on the sheet.
(Just seriously stop margin trading).

If you think about it:

PayPal froze $800
You have an investment at about $2,100
Sweeet has blown through/lost $15,000 (50% of the investments!)

You're never going to see even any good fraction of your investment. At least you already got back .03775 ($~400) total in this scheme with your last three repaid investments. But, in the end, you're still out $1,700.

[All $ based on today's rates for illustration.]
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