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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [XDAG] Dagger - new cryptocurrency
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on: January 21, 2018, 05:02:41 AM
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Ya, so this coin is pretty awesome. New website, road map, whitepaper coming soon. An actual coin icon coming too. The community is coming along as well, developers, webpage designers, graphic artists, writers, discord mods, reddit mods, twitter accounts. I see a bright future.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: January 04, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
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Did you order and the rig is up and running?
Do you have all psu connected to the motherboard? You were talking about 4 psu, but I thought the mb only needed 3? Can the gpu draw power from the board or do you need powered risers? On the website it seems like enough to connect psu to mb. Risers gets power from the psu AND gpu gets power from psu?
I've gone with 8 1070s and 2 850w. They just arrived haven't put them together yet. Can't answer your question yet.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 09, 2017, 05:26:48 AM
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I would recommend AGAINST those Gigabyte cards - they really went cheap on their fans on everything BUT the Aorus line the last couple-three years. They work well enough as long as the fans are running though, and decent cooling, but I've had fans go out on *2* of them (1 fan each) in the last month, and the fans are deliberately designed to be a nightmare to try to re-lube (not that re-lubing lasts long in ANY case).
EVGA, MSI are all ball bearing fans (except PERHAPS the MSI blower models, I've not gotten confirmation there either way) - I'm fond of the EVGA SC "black" models for their consistantly good cooling, dual ball bearing fans, low level of fancy "pretty" LED lighting that just wastes money on the card design and construction, and usually low pricing.
Damn the one you are suggesting (08G-P4-5173-KR) is $560 but I can only get 2 at that price. The rest I have to get at $580 What about the 08G-P4-5171-KR EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING, 8GB GDDR5, ACX 3.0 & Black Edition? I can get that one for $553
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 07, 2017, 05:21:36 AM
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The graphics cards won't be drawing from the PCIe Riser as long as you have the PCI-E connected directly to the video card. My rigs run just fine on SATA power connectors directly to the Riser. 6 GTX 1070 + MB + CPU + RAM + SSD = 75 watts idle and 860 watts at full hashing load (cards set to 90% power). I run that 860 load on a single 1000 watt PS
OK ill order these cables that Vann has already suggested https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10Pcs-Set-Dual-Molex-4-Pin-To-One-PCI-E-6-Pin-Power-Connector-Y-Adapter/32820421116.htmlAlright here is my buy list again. If there are no more suggestions or problems I will order it: ASUS B250 MINING EXPERT $181.99 DREVO X1 120GB 2.5 Inch SSD SATA III Internal Solid State Drive $69.99 Ballistix Sport LT 4GB Single DDR4 RAM $59.99 Intel Celeron G3900 $53.99 Gigabyte GV-N1070WF2OC-8GD Gtx 1070 8x $513.50 EVGA G2 850W 2x $176.9 PCIE Risers Dual Molex to 6 Pin PCIE PC power switch
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 06, 2017, 04:56:57 PM
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Yes, you only need a single sata for your SSD (64gb MFC is plenty) if you choose to use an SSD, some just boot off usb flash The two 850s will each have about 8-12 SATA connectors, plenty to power the risers CPU/MB/SSD/Risers will use 100-150 watts total
how many risers can I safely connect to one sata port. I heard if you connect too many they will fry the sata connectors. here are my adapters: looking at the back of one g2 850w should I do this?: PSU G2 850w #1 PSU G2 850w #2
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 06, 2017, 12:58:30 AM
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Yes I'm using USD
Even the spread, you would run 5 less riser cards and the 675 Watts is going to save you >$2.50CAD/day ($912/year)
Plus you will save on the cost of the power supplies, not needing as large of wattage nor will you need 2 circuits. The two 850s will run on a single 20 amp safely
I can power 8 1070s, 8 risers, cpu, mobo, and ssd with two 850w g2 evga? How should I safely power the risers? Split it all evenly? I have 6 pin risers coming that come with 6pin - sata adapters. Power the risers via the sata ports on the psu's?
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 05, 2017, 05:36:37 PM
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ROG -STRIX-RX570-4G-GAMING 13 x $280.39 = $3,651 Hash Rate NeoScrypt is about 8,000 kH/s TDP 150W (90% is 135W) Asus GTX 1070 8 x $433 = $3,464 Hash Rate NeoScrypt is about 8,000 kH/s TDP 150W (90% is 135W) 5 LESS cards will result in the same hashing power for $190 LESS! You will also save 675 watts and have more room to add on later! That 1800W power supply is NOT rated for 120V US power..... It might work, might not! You need about 1300 watts at 100% or 1180 watts at 90% card power. Two of these will suffice for $120/ea - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151188G3930 is cheaper - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117748are you giving me USD prices? ive been posting in CAD. The cheapest 1070 I can find is $534.9 (newegg.ca) 8 gtx1070 = $4280 13 rx570 = $3651 oh and good catch about those PSU's I didn't notice the 200v input thank you
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 05, 2017, 07:09:55 AM
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Ok here is my list, if everything looks good I'm gonna go ahead and order it ASUS B250 MINING EXPERT $181.99 DREVO X1 120GB 2.5 Inch SSD SATA III Internal Solid State Drive $69.99 Ballistix Sport LT 4GB Single DDR4 RAM $59.99 Intel Celeron G3900 $53.99 ROG -STRIX-RX570-4G-GAMING 13 x $280.39 Gold POWER 1800W BTC power supply 3 x $167 So for these psu's they have 12 PCIE cables? Should I connect it something like this: PSU # 1 atx cpu PCIE1 = gpu1 PCIE2 = riser 1 PCIE3 = riser 2 PCIE4 = riser 3 PCIE5 = riser 4 PCIE6 = riser 5 PCIE7 = riser 6 PCIE8 = riser 7 PCIE9 = riser 8 PCIE10 = riser 9 PCIE11 = riser 10 & 11 (splitter) PCIE12 = riser 12 & 13 (splitter) PSU # 2 PCIE1-6 = gpu2-7 PSU # 3 PCIE1-6 = gpu8-13
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 04, 2017, 06:28:03 AM
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You don't want to run PSU's close to the rated the capacity. They won't be as efficient and it will shorten it's lifespan. 50% to 80% of the rated capacity is where PSU will run most efficiently and cool. The other consideration is how many PCI-E connecors you need for all the GPU's and risers. Many PSU's less than 1000W will only have 4 PCI-E connectors per PSU. For 13 RX 570's you will need a minmum of 13 individual 8-pin connectors just for the VGA power. Some cards like the Nitro+ also have a 6-pin connector that may be optional. For risers I use 6-pin PCI-E risers only and connect two or three risers per PSU 8-pin cable using a PCI-E 8-pin to dual 6+2 splitter cable, figure another 5 PCI-E PSU ports for the risers, so in total you need a minimum of 18 PCI-E ports.
Wow thanks alot for that and everything. That has clarified alot for me. I didn't realize you have to run risers off the PCIe ports on PSUs. You CAN run them safely via MOLEX adapters - and there are some with all 3 connections that are the recent "4 cap" versions. The COBOC ones Newegg sells as an example, seen the same design from a few other places. You don't HAVE to run 19 cards from the ASUS B250 Mining Pro to make it worthwhile - the on-board power supply management is nice, and saves a few $$ + is simpler vs having to use Add2PS type adapters. If it's lower cost vs a 13-slot MB, it's DEFINITELY the better choice. NewEgg has a Canadian branch, can't hurt to check them in addition to the other sites you mention. I strongly recommend use of the EVGA G2 supply line over the G1 or the GQ or the G3 - the BALL BEARING fan is going to outlast the "fancy name sleeve bearing" junk in the other lines. I'm not 100% sure on the G2L line - I think it's also ball bearing fan, but the power connections are kinda wierd and do NOT match up with anything else at all. I can also recommend the Seasonic X-series, but those are in very short supply and getting way expensive when you CAN find them any more. I already pulled the trigger on the pcie risers. They only have 6 pin on them but they come with a 6 pin to sata connector. Ok I am definitely gonna grab the Asus board and 2 EVGA G2 1000w. Thank you. What do you think of the Corsair HX Series HX1200 ($289.99) or Thermaltake PS-TPD-1200MPCGUS-1 ($232)? They are almost $100 cheaper than the EVGA SuperNOVA 1200 P2 ($369) I am just not finding good prices on newegg.ca I am gonna order mostly everything from www.pc-canada.com they have discounts on bulk orders as well. I am still not 100% sure on 570 vs 580 4gb 580 $325 8gb 580 $360 vs. 4gb 570 $284
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 03, 2017, 11:39:47 PM
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The problem is not Windows. The problem is the Asus B250 mining expert REQUIRES using Nvidia P106 mining cards with more than 13 cards on the board. BBT was able to run 21 cards, 13 AMD RX 570 and 8 Nvidia P106 in Windows 10 with the latest Crimson Relive drivers on the Asus B250 mining expert. I don't think anyone has been able to run more than 13 AMD cards in Linux on this board either.
I can only find the Asrock H110 Pro BTC+ for $235.19 But I can find the Asus B250 mining expert for $181.99 Should I just get the Asus an just run 13 amd cards off it? Would Asrock be more stable? For the power supplies, I'd recommend getting 3 of these:
1x 570 consumes around 100W from the wall mining ethereum solo, and 140W from the wall dual mining. Even thought those are average numbers, in any electrical components, there will almost always be that power surge that occurs for a split second; you do not want your PSU to blow up because of that. Thats why I'd always recommend anyone to calculate their power requirements to be at 80% of the PSUs capacity; so if you have a 1000W PSU, try to calculate that your components connected to the PSU to run at 800W, and leave that extra room for electrical surges.
18 cards will not run on Windows as of now, we are expecting an update in december that will allow windows to recognize 18 cards; where currently linux is the only way to go for more than 12 GPU. (Simplemining OS is a nice noob friendly linux OS for miners)
With the asus motherboard, you do not need the dual/triple PSU cables. You may hook 3 PSUs to the motherboard, and it does the job on its own.
The graphic cards are too expensive, even with canada's inflated prices. A quick check on newegg.ca , I was able to build a cart of 18 RX580s, but different vendors, that can easily save you 500$ and If I were you, I'd configure each card's overclock/undervolt through their bios (time consuming, but worth the effort). Prices are inflated as well in my country's local market (Dubai, UAE), but what I've done is I found the distributor's for these graphic cards in my country, and Im purchasing directly from them. In my case it was sapphire.
I would recommend getting a bigger harddrive, or at least a second cheap non-SSD drive for virtual memory. I had this issue before when I upgraded my rigs from 6gpus each to 12 gpu where claymore's cryptonote miner (cryptonight) requires to have at least the same amount of VRAM as virtual memory. In your case, it would be 18x 4GB which is 72GB + your OS which is around 20GB; a 120gb SSD would be a better option, and it isnt that much more expensive.
How much do 580 consume dual mining? I am definitely gonna overclock and undervolt them The lowest I see is MSI 4gb 580 for $325 and Asus 570 are around $284 Is it worth it to go for 580's? I can only find mining reviews on the 8gb versions of the 580's. The 8gb 580's start at $359.99 That ruins my ROI. I was looking into distributors yesterday I did find a few for Canada, I am gonna try to get an account with one of them and get a quote for the 580's. http://www.comtronic.cahttps://www.eprom.comAnyways I was thinking of running the Linux based OS's is there any benefit of running windows?
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 03, 2017, 04:27:14 AM
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Get a server power supply plus breakout board and a couple 6pin male to 8pin male cables in addition to a desktop psu. I have some hp's that will do 900w at 110v. That's the cheapest way to power it.
Wow those are cheap. So 2 HP 900w@110v What size evga psu should I get?
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 03, 2017, 12:41:40 AM
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You don't want to run PSU's close to the rated the capacity. They won't be as efficient and it will shorten it's lifespan. 50% to 80% of the rated capacity is where PSU will run most efficiently and cool. The other consideration is how many PCI-E connecors you need for all the GPU's and risers. Many PSU's less than 1000W will only have 4 PCI-E connectors per PSU. For 13 RX 570's you will need a minmum of 13 individual 8-pin connectors just for the VGA power. Some cards like the Nitro+ also have a 6-pin connector that may be optional. For risers I use 6-pin PCI-E risers only and connect two or three risers per PSU 8-pin cable using a PCI-E 8-pin to dual 6+2 splitter cable, figure another 5 PCI-E PSU ports for the risers, so in total you need a minimum of 18 PCI-E ports.
Wow thanks alot for that and everything. That has clarified alot for me. I didn't realize you have to run risers off the PCIe ports on PSUs.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 02, 2017, 11:44:37 PM
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Mostly RX 480/580 8GB cards. Asus STRIX, Sapphire Nitro+ and MSI Gaming X. Also a Saphire Pulse RX 580 4 GB and a Nitro+ RX 570 4GB with a EVGA 1600 W T2 for the motherboard, all 13 risers and 4 cards VGA power on a 120V 20A outlet together with a EVGA P2 1000 W + G2 850 W for the rest of the cards on a 15A circuit. All the cards have a Polaris Bios Editor v1.62 'one click timing patch' Bios mod and I get the best result with the Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580's 30-30.5 MH/s ETH 875 MH/s DCR dual mining.
You are running 2475w at the wall and have 3450w worth of psu's. If I were to run 13 570's can I get away with 3 850w? Or 1 1000w and 2 850w?
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 02, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Asus to release a firmware update. Dual mining ETH + DCR a RX 570 will pull ~140 W between the GPU and riser and a RX 580 ~180 W. I have a 13 card mixed card build on a H110 Pro BTC+ dual mining ETH + DCR and it's been rock solid. Total power draw at the wall is 2475 W with a triple ATX PSU setup.
What mixed cards are you running? Also what wall circuits are you running that into? I have one 120v 20amp curcuit and one 120v 15amp circuit running to one room.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 02, 2017, 04:34:35 AM
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You won't be able to run all 18 cards on the same motherboard. Running more than 13 GPU's with the Asus B250 mining expert REQUIRES using Nvidia P106 mining cards. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2357461.msg24031325#msg24031325If you want to run all AMD cards I would suggest breaking it up in to a 12 card build on a ASRock H110 Pro BTC+ and a 6 card build on a Biostar TB85 or another H110 Pro BTC+ motherboard if you plan to expand. I'll go with Vann's advice, even you manage all cards to be working on one Rig this is not practical for since it has a centralized failure, mining is not a 100% reliable all the time of the day, if any of the GPU's, PC components, Softwares or even connectivity failed, your profits will greatly reduced. Also, each RX470 will draw 180-190w in dual mining, 4x650w PSU in 18GPU is not sufficient to power them all Ya you guys are convincing me to do just 12 card builds on ASRock H110 Pro BTC+. Does the RX570 draw the same in dual mining? With 190w per card I wouldn't even get away with 4 gpus on a 750w. Should I do 4 cards per 850w $140 Or just 3 cards per 650w for $100 I guess that saves me $20 if I go 650w and only use 12 GPUS
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Part list help!
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on: December 02, 2017, 04:04:32 AM
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You won't be able to run all 18 cards on the same motherboard. Running more than 13 GPU's with the Asus B250 mining expert REQUIRES using Nvidia P106 mining cards. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2357461.msg24031325#msg24031325If you want to run all AMD cards I would suggest breaking it up in to a 12 card build on a ASRock H110 Pro BTC+ and a 6 card build on a Biostar TB85 or another H110 Pro BTC+ motherboard if you plan to expand. Crap, I misunderstood Asus's marketing speak. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Do you know if Asus planned firmware update for Q4 2017 will support all 19 or 18 cards of amd?
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