Exciting project! I would rather get my credit card rewards points as crypto any day. And if the price of cryptos goes up like it has, my money will be worth more than it was.

Good idea

Question: Will this work with points you can earn at gas stations and grocery store? It would be really cool if this did.

I finally decided, i'm parking my coins on Bittrex, and letting them handle all this splitting nonsense. i feel like everyone is going to liquidate, and Bittrex is a pretty popular market, so its going to be better than fighting the crowd to get to the exchange. I dont see any reason why Bittrex would rip us off, they have been really solid for a while now (unlike BTCE, Liqui.io, or Poloniex). Its not quite as safe as holding my own keys, by a long shot, but I cant manage the opportunity cost of mot being ready to trade, the moment I can.

You are one of the first people i have seen that has mentioned this, it seems obvious but no one has addressed this. If you keep your coins in a wallet off an exchange (recommended method), you will have to quickly figure out how to split the coins/ spend on the new chain, along with everyone else that will be stuffing transactions down the network. Once you get to an exchange (confirmations are going to be interesting) its a race to the order book to sell the coins.

But if you leave them on an exchange that offers 1:1 (not recommended) you run the risk if not actually owning your coins, but skip all the traffic.

this is actually a difficult choice.

thank you for that, I was wondering what exchanges were going to credit equivalent balances. I have a question: how are we supposed to actually split the coins? Is it as easy as importing your private key into a BCC wallet, and spending, or is there something special we are going to have to do to soend both balances?

I am opting for one of the exchanges, just to avoid the headache. And I really dont believe in exchanges

and we get people that want to test the shit immediately:
http://benja.co/blog/2017/7/31/release-benjacoin-ico-event-a-pre-order-not-fundraise


*facepalm*

I think the SEC would allow the ICOs already in place, to at least finish. If you already planned and scheduled, you are most likely fine. Otherwise, they would have sent cease and desist letters instead of making a guidance. You figure they would only be able to enforce the rules against companies that offer these after the announcement, so essentially from now, people should be careful with starting these. We have been warned, its fair game now.

Ive been popcorn since I woke up this morning. We have a bet(friend) going; if the market moves more than 50% from the average price right before the fork, within 4 hours of Coinbase reopening trading. I just know its going to mini crash. I can feel it in my bones.

With that being said, I'm holding bitcoin waiting to see how this all shakes out.

"The Great Fork of 2017" 

Thy seem to have a solid business plan, and the platform seems pretty planned out/already in place. I also like that they offer the option of getting paid in fait or crypto. Crypto is really new still in my opinion, and using PayPal (something every college kid has) makes this an app most people can use.

And the team seems like real people, for once. I never understand how people can fund anon projects; its literally like giving money to a stranger. Who does that?

I like the investbox style feature on the platform; thats a pretty decent rate of return, and if people lock tokens they wont sell them, keeping the price stable.

I might throw a few ETH at this. 

It's pretty stupid to keep Bitcoin on an exchange right now, especially with all the hacks and goings-on as of late. although most exchanges have given forewarning about how they will handle the fork, if there is some maintenance issue your coins could be locked on the platform and you might miss out on the forks. Everyone has horrible support, so it is something to avoid at all costs if you can.

with as much money as exchanges make I don't want to give them my free BitcoinABC and BitcoinCash.

besides, your coins aren't truly safe unless they are under your control

The United States dollar is backed by the full faith of the United States government and its military. you just can't match that with Bitcoin unless miners are about to buy tanks, guns and missles, this is simply not that. We are talking about a government fiat, not a social experiment like bitcoin.

the United States dollar is also backed by the work product and infrastructure of the American people. Trillions of dollars of capitalization. Bitcoin's market cap is big, but nothing like USD markets. USD is the currency of the world.

I can't predict the future, but I can predict it will go one of two ways.  In scenario A, the favorite fork of Bitcoin go to 3000 again, while the less favored forks will dip a bit but keep the price they debuted at. In scenario B, everything goes down for the short term. If/when we fork, I think a lot of people will lose confidence in bitcoin, especially the newer people like myself.

Honestly I'm thinking scenario B is more likely, we are coming out of a bubble and I don't think the markets are done correcting yet.

This is a pretty good idea! I think they were talking about using natural water features to help save money by reducing the total amount of wall. I never considered making the water features from scratch    It would be a lot cheaper long term to dig a bunch of trenches than to build stuff out of concrete and metal, and it won't disrupt the environment as much. Also, if we ever need to change anything, it's easy to dig more holes, than tear down old wall and rebuild.

I can tell a lot of these posters have never truly been hungry before.

I have seen people eat out of dumpsters they were so hungry, people that would steal food just to make sure their kids eat. If we are talking about eating a dead person on a mountain or something to stay alive, I don't think most people would have a choice. Your morals would go out of the window and your body would force you to eat.

The will to stay alive is so much stronger than conditioning from society

The volatility situation with Bitcoin will not improve until we have more mature investors in the space. the fact is that it's mostly kids trading these assets, or novice investors that aren't trained, and it shows. You don't see this much volatility with gold or most stocks: that is because those are institutional investors. They went to school to trade, and it makes a difference.  until the general level of education amongst traders improves, this will be a feature of the Bitcoin price and most other cryptos. Uncertainty.

I  didn't send any money to this, I was actually convinced until they attacked Gleb with all that crazy pseudo doxxing stuff. Too unprofessional for a major outfit like they claimed. I hope you get your money back, but let's consider that as responsive as the Ziber guy was before the ICO, now it's live, he is radio silent. the address has changed on the official site to a non contract address. If this is still legit, then they are handling it poorly by not communicating. But the signs are saying this is not good

And as I type this, Ziber responds and locks the thread with this:


So I'm thinking this might have been premeditated, but I don't want to jump to conclusions. This looks absolutely terrible, though.

Wonder how long it will take investors to get refunded, and they are dead in the water as far as this ICO is concerned, no one will fund this now. The product actually worked, that's what I don't get. Even though this is really, really improbable, this actually seems like a series of unfortunate events. I don't believe in coincidence though, especially when money is concerned.

I haven't tried these guys yet but I don't know if I will now  if they can't answer a support ticket in at least 3 days then they don't deserve my money.  The other poster is going on 2 weeks now    No support = broken platform if you ask me. what happens if I get a stuck withdrawal? if I can't depend on them to even answer a ticket period, then what's the point of using the exchange in the first place?

But at least you can physically hold gold. And it has usefulness out side of being valuable. You need it for electronics and art, and all gasoline engines need a little bit of gold to be efficient.

Bitcoin is just information. You can't hold it, and it's not useful for anything outside being a store of value. And you can scam someone with bitcoin just as easy as you can scam someone with  precious metals. Just look at the Scam section of the forum

This is what I'm saying, he had to at least be complicit in the theft, at least according to these latest details. If they emptied out massive amounts of bitcoin multiple times (that's what I got from the report), how did they not see this, and why did they keep using the compromised wallets? Especially of the case of coins going straight from GOX to BTCE and sitting, there has to be a link in all this, or both platforms were so negligent that it was criminal

And this is why you never use exchanges as wallets. If you have to trade, you can't avoid the risks of depositing to an 'outside wallet', but you can't trade with a zero balance either they need to make a decentralized exchange thats easier to use than EtherDelta, it's confusing to me. Something like IndieSquare maybe, you can place orders within the same app as the wallet. It should be even easier on the ETH blockchain, counterparty is kind of suck because of the state of bitcoin.

The next milestone for bitcoin, in my opinion, is scaling. It's too slow at the moment, and there aren't a while lot of people using bitcoin that much. If we had as many people using the  Bitcoin network as say, PayPal, it would be completely unusable. Until we scale, everything else is moot; layers, new functionality and updates are useless on a product that essentially doesn't work.

Bitcoin has lost two of its main advantages, speed and low transaction fees. It's either time to fix it, or time to pick a new leader.

This should be a sticky this is great

To me, investing in Bitcoin or Ethereum now is like buying a lottery ticket. The same rules would apply if you hit the jackpot; you need somewhere to store your wealth, the ability to resist the hordes of beggars that will come your way, and a purpose in life so you don't squander your new found wealth. But while lottery tickets have no resale value, bitcoins and altcoins are good as cash, if you can convert them.

If you would every buy a lottery ticket, buy some bitcoin. You have much, much better chances to make a return on investment.