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321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: April 15, 2015, 10:07:52 PM

Awesome!  Onward and upward, Blocknet!  Any plans for a decentralized marketplace?  

Yup. But not soon. There are other layers that would need to come first.
322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: April 15, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
yeah, we heard you yesterday.

No you didn't.

Look at the time it was last authored. The code was pushed only a few hours ago. Wally.

323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: April 15, 2015, 05:18:43 PM



The latest decentralised exchange code has been pushed to Github!


Alpha stage. Testing only. No order book yet.

https://github.com/atcsecure/xhub



Retweet this: https://twitter.com/The_Blocknet/status/588387622260645888


324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: April 14, 2015, 09:53:42 PM


The Decentralised Exchange code is now available for early alpha testing!


This is basic functionality.

An order book is not yet available and it's only implemented in XC and BitSwift wallets.

But download them from Dan's nightly/on-demand build URL (http://builds.xcurrency.co:8888/) and play around with something huge: a truly decentralised exchange!


P.S. It doesn't do upnp yet, so if you can't configure your router as per the readme, don't bother.





Retweet this, folks:

https://twitter.com/The_Blocknet/status/588094975226830848

325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: April 14, 2015, 09:52:16 PM


The Decentralised Exchange code is now available for early alpha testing!


This is basic functionality.

An order book is not yet available and it's only implemented in XC and BitSwift wallets.

But download them from Dan's nightly/on-demand build URL (http://builds.xcurrency.co:8888/) and play around with something huge: a truly decentralised exchange!


P.S. It doesn't do upnp yet, so if you can't configure your router as per the readme, don't bother.


326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: April 12, 2015, 04:06:49 PM



Announcing the Blocknet Explorer!


http://block.blockexplorer.cc/chain/Blocknet

- correct coin supply
- API for other data sources like coinmarketcap






Nice explorer.

Unmined 67.57%, is this right?

http://block.blockexplorer.cc/address/BiUTCL8mxSXEutMtWir3coYUCutGNrUmie

I'm sorry, this address has too many records to display.


Thanks for the feedback @richwang.

Both those niggles are now resolved.
327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 30, 2015, 09:16:23 PM



Announcing the Blocknet Explorer!


http://block.blockexplorer.cc/chain/Blocknet

- correct coin supply
- API for other data sources like coinmarketcap




328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 11, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
Thanks for the invitation. I'd be interested in joining, though as far as I'm aware the SuperNET folks don't seem very positively disposed toward me for some reason. Do you think they'd actually welcome me?

I agree that there's some irony in calling blockchain-based tech centralised, though in this context - which is the networking of chains - the distinctions do apply, and without ambiguity.

(That said, I also agree that there's a lack of marketing-friendly terminology to talk about this stuff. With so many layers, each of which can be centralised or decentralised, it's a complex landscape. Once we move from developing the core components onto marketing it to customers, we will need a good set of ways to present the differences. For the time being, I'm just using technical though confusing language.)


By the same token, could you call Blocknet centralised around... Blocknet? It seems like a very strange distinction to make.
Re: Slack, I'm not saying it would be welcome with open arms, but there are already other Blocknetters there and they haven't been tarred and feathered yet.


Well, no. The Blocknet is a network. If its architecture is decentralized, then it's foggy. If it's centralized, then it's cloudy.

Maybe an analogy will help me express myself. The fact that the Blocknet is a network of networks is equivalent to the fact that the internet is (partly) a network of LANs. Now if every LAN was decentralised but the internet was centralised, then the internet would still be centralised. But if the internet was decentralised, then it would still be so even if every LAN was centralised.

The bottom line: if a network-of-networks is centralised, this property is unaffected by nature of the sub-networks. That's why I've said earlier that I think Multigateway renders SuperNET a cloud service bus.


Anyway...

Sign me up for the SuperNET Slack! It sounds like it's worth a try.

329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 11, 2015, 05:55:55 PM
More coverage for the Blocknet-Horizon-Bitnation partnership!


http://www.btcfeed.net/news/harnassing-blockchain-technology-create-diy-governance-2-0/


330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 11, 2015, 05:43:26 PM

using your example all cryptos are centralised if you use crypto without mining them?

No, the context is networking between blockchains.

If they're networked via a hub, then the network is centralised.

This is true even if the hub is blockchain-based.

In such a scenario (e.g. Atomic, and also sidechains in a different way), a central blockchain records transactions between all other blockchains. Thus, even though the central blockchain is internally decentralised, its position in the inter-chain network is as a centralised entity.

See what I mean?

331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 11, 2015, 04:54:41 PM

Multigateway, which facilitates the exchange of currencies between nodes on different blockchains, involves groups of servers mediating the exchange.

As such, exchange between buyer and seller is not conducted on a peer-to-peer basis. There is a third party involved (albeit not a traditional monolithic third party, but groups of servers utilising m-of-3 multisig). This third party mediates the transaction, and must be trusted to do so.

The above is what it means to perform a cloud service. Processing occurs at (well, near) the centre of the network, rather than being pushed to the network's edges (i.e. the peers), which is what defines fog computing.

Therefore, Multigateway is a cloud service bus for blockchain-based nodes.

In contrast, the Blocknet's decentralised exchange is being developed on a radically p2p model, making it a fog computing service.



You are selecting one element of SuperNET - one of the gateway mechanisms for coins, fiat, assets etc - and characterising all of SuperNET in terms of this alone. InstantDEX is a near-realtime peer-to-peer exchange service. This is clearly not cloudy.

You're entirely correct. I have only referred to Multigateway and not to all the other SuperNET components.

On the other hand, I selected Multigateway carefully. InstantDEX is p2p but runs on the NXT Asset Exchange and thus is on the NXT blockchain. Therefore it is not inter-chain – which is the context of the discussion.

To give another example of something related to InstantDEX that is cloudy rather than foggy, ATOMIC is a blockchain that records transactions of other chains. Thus it centralises inter-chain networking.

(Correct me if I'm mistaken, of course. I'm no expert on this tech and I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm mistaken.)



I'm not an expert at every aspect of the tech myself. If you are genuinely interested in learning the differences then do drop over to Slack and ask. However, I'd be wary of calling any blockchain 'centralised', NXT or Atomic or any other, even in this context. It seems like an odd word to use to describe it. This is only the first stage, in any case, but you'd need to ask devs directly for details as I'm not at liberty to discuss them.
Ultimately if you want to differentiate the two projects, I'd think there were better and clearer ways of doing it. If you're serious about pushing crypto out to a broader user-base, then discussions about the difference between distributed and decentralised aren't going to be much of a marketing tool.

Thanks for the invitation. I'd be interested in joining, though as far as I'm aware the SuperNET folks don't seem very positively disposed toward me for some reason. Do you think they'd actually welcome me?

I agree that there's some irony in calling blockchain-based tech centralised, though in this context - which is the networking of chains - the distinctions do apply, and without ambiguity.

(That said, I also agree that there's a lack of marketing-friendly terminology to talk about this stuff. With so many layers, each of which can be centralised or decentralised, it's a complex landscape. Once we move from developing the core components onto marketing it to customers, we will need a good set of ways to present the differences. For the time being, I'm just using technical though confusing language.)
332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 11, 2015, 04:00:42 PM

Multigateway, which facilitates the exchange of currencies between nodes on different blockchains, involves groups of servers mediating the exchange.

As such, exchange between buyer and seller is not conducted on a peer-to-peer basis. There is a third party involved (albeit not a traditional monolithic third party, but groups of servers utilising m-of-3 multisig). This third party mediates the transaction, and must be trusted to do so.

The above is what it means to perform a cloud service. Processing occurs at (well, near) the centre of the network, rather than being pushed to the network's edges (i.e. the peers), which is what defines fog computing.

Therefore, Multigateway is a cloud service bus for blockchain-based nodes.

In contrast, the Blocknet's decentralised exchange is being developed on a radically p2p model, making it a fog computing service.



You are selecting one element of SuperNET - one of the gateway mechanisms for coins, fiat, assets etc - and characterising all of SuperNET in terms of this alone. InstantDEX is a near-realtime peer-to-peer exchange service. This is clearly not cloudy.

You're entirely correct. I have only referred to Multigateway and not to all the other SuperNET components.

On the other hand, I selected Multigateway carefully. InstantDEX is p2p but runs on the NXT Asset Exchange and thus is on the NXT blockchain. Therefore it is not inter-chain – which is the context of the discussion.

To give another example of something related to InstantDEX that is cloudy rather than foggy, ATOMIC is a blockchain that records transactions of other chains. Thus it centralises inter-chain networking.

(Correct me if I'm mistaken, of course. I'm no expert on this tech and I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm mistaken.)

333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 11, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Can someone in the know explain the difference between Blocknet and SuperNet?

It is very encouraging to see BitNation selecting BlockNet as a partner over SuperNet, but it would be great to understand why.

Thanks,

G.

I would also like to know the key differences.

There is one key difference that really stands out: the Blocknet is a fog computing service bus, whereas SuperNET is a cloud computing service bus. (Google those terms if you're not familiar.)

As our project develops, you will see increasing differentiation, which will be especially evident in three areas: the openness of our platform, our focus on microservices, and the markets we will be building for. http://blocknet.co outlines all this in broad strokes.



No.

Service bus for blockchains.

@cassius: if no, then why?

Note that this is from a demand chain and supply chain perspective.



interesting, could you please give me examples for your statement regarding supernet and blocknet being cloud computing/fog computing?

from all the existing features of supernet so far it looks much more like fog computing to me (i.e. network communication and instantdex). regarding blocknet i dont have enough information to comment on.
Looking at it another way, why would you say it was cloudy?

Multigateway, which facilitates the exchange of currencies between nodes on different blockchains, involves groups of servers mediating the exchange.

As such, exchange between buyer and seller is not conducted on a peer-to-peer basis. There is a third party involved (albeit not a traditional monolithic third party, but groups of servers utilising m-of-3 multisig). This third party mediates the transaction, and must be trusted to do so.

The above is what it means to perform a cloud service. Processing occurs at (well, near) the centre of the network, rather than being pushed to the network's edges (i.e. the peers), which is what defines fog computing.

Therefore, Multigateway is a cloud service bus for blockchain-based nodes.

In contrast, the Blocknet's decentralised exchange is being developed on a radically p2p model, making it a fog computing service.

334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 11, 2015, 01:54:32 PM
Can someone in the know explain the difference between Blocknet and SuperNet?

It is very encouraging to see BitNation selecting BlockNet as a partner over SuperNet, but it would be great to understand why.

Thanks,

G.

I would also like to know the key differences.

There is one key difference that really stands out: the Blocknet is a fog computing service bus, whereas SuperNET is a cloud computing service bus. (Google those terms if you're not familiar.)

As our project develops, you will see increasing differentiation, which will be especially evident in three areas: the openness of our platform, our focus on microservices, and the markets we will be building for. http://blocknet.co outlines all this in broad strokes.



No.

Service bus for blockchains.

@cassius: if no, then why?

Note that this is from a demand chain and supply chain perspective.

335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 10, 2015, 02:45:34 PM
Can someone in the know explain the difference between Blocknet and SuperNet?

It is very encouraging to see BitNation selecting BlockNet as a partner over SuperNet, but it would be great to understand why.

Thanks,

G.

I would also like to know the key differences.

There is one key difference that really stands out: the Blocknet is a fog computing service bus, whereas SuperNET is a cloud computing service bus. (Google those terms if you're not familiar.)

As our project develops, you will see increasing differentiation, which will be especially evident in three areas: the openness of our platform, our focus on microservices, and the markets we will be building for. http://blocknet.co outlines all this in broad strokes.

336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 10, 2015, 02:41:09 PM
How is the development of XBridge going? Are there any key milestones coming up?

Thanks,

G.

The decentralised exchange protocol is approaching prototype status.

I don't have a date to attach to this though. As you may know, software development is hard to pin down, timewise. But things are progressing.

337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 10, 2015, 02:07:00 PM
Let me affirm that I have a lot of respect for the SuperNET project and the competency of its developers.

It's legit, and they're making a valuable contribution to the evolution of crypto.

There is no "us vs. them" for the Blocknet. It's an open framework for inter-chain connectivity.

One day soon I hope to see the Xbridge on SuperNET coins.
338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 10, 2015, 12:52:40 PM
Can someone in the know explain the difference between Blocknet and SuperNet?

It is very encouraging to see BitNation selecting BlockNet as a partner over SuperNet, but it would be great to understand why.

Thanks,

G.


You're making the assumption that BitNation 'selected' blocknet.
I don't think SuperNet opened its doors to BN. SuperNet is very picky and focused on its trajectory.

Regardless of SuperNET's choices (of which I'm completely unaware), Bitnation considered a very wide range of technologies (and the people developing them) before choosing the Blocknet and Horizon. Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof is especially well connected.



Quote from: A Do-it-Yourself Guide to Starting Your Own Nation (And Changing the World) book written by S. T. Tempelhof
Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof is a conflict zone entrepreneur who has assisted with building and overthrowing governments across the world. Most recently, Ms Tarkowski Tempelhof set up the research and communication firm SHABAKAT Corporation on the ground in Benghazi, Libya during the civil war. She then expanded the company to Egypt and oversaw operations in Ghana and Yemen. Prior to this, Ms. Tarkowski Tempelhof set up Wise Strategic Communication (WSC) in Kabul, Afghanistan, acquiring contracts for a value of more than 7.4 million USD within the first two years of operations. She recruited, trained, and managed more than 300 personnel and eventually sold the company to IDS International. Based in Afghanistan from early 2006, Ms. Tarkowski Tempelhof worked with the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) Psychological Operations (PSYOP) programs, covering the areas of counterterrorism, elections, and rule of law, as well as campaigns to strengthen the Afghan government, police force and military.

Ms. Tarkowski Tempelhof is a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), an associate of European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR), and provides political commentary and analysis for U.S. and Swedish media. She has been featured in The New York Times, Foreign Policy, and The Huffington Post, and is a regular speaker at U.S. military, NATO, TEDx, and corporate communication conferences around the world.


i dont think it will take long for the first people to dig out information about her past, but it seems she did a lot of work for intellegence and defense agencies.



Yes she did. That information is public.

Look her up. Susanne's had a fascinating life. Personally I can't think of a better-suited leader for a movement like Bitnation.

339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 10, 2015, 10:45:01 AM
Can someone in the know explain the difference between Blocknet and SuperNet?

It is very encouraging to see BitNation selecting BlockNet as a partner over SuperNet, but it would be great to understand why.

Thanks,

G.


You're making the assumption that BitNation 'selected' blocknet.
I don't think SuperNet opened its doors to BN. SuperNet is very picky and focused on its trajectory.

Regardless of SuperNET's choices (of which I'm completely unaware), Bitnation considered a very wide range of technologies (and the people developing them) before choosing the Blocknet and Horizon. Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof is especially well connected.

340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: March 09, 2015, 08:35:04 AM

We're on the front page of r/bitcoin! Please upvote and comment:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ybzem/governance_20_moves_forward_via_bitnation/

Very cool! Let's get involved folks.
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