You buy exotic fruits. Later you found out you got them for 1 cent but they cost 10 dollars a day before. Later it turns out it was becasuse the baazar owner left doors unlocked and some people rearranged price tags.

Now YOU are called the thief.
And the guys that bought apples for 3 or 10 USD are also - well perhaps not called thiefs - but they are not getting the apples they dealed and payed for (well they will have their money returned, but they would prefer the deal to be carried out and shop owner is not reimbursing this).

Sure would be nice to have some signed receipts for all such stuff.
Like Fellow Traveler's Open Transactions system for example, or just openpgp or something.

No-one cares if you read it; but indeed there should be an  [ ] I have read and agree to ToS   checkbox.  Probably it depends on jurisdiction. Actually, which one counts here, JP or where the user lives or.... ?

tradehill.com seems like most professional SPAMMING exchange atm

Fallacy.

It is really more of:
Owner of Art's dealing auction house gets drunk and forgets to lock up doors. Few times. (Or he gives they keys to his friend and he gets drunk). Either way he was warned for weeks to get the damn doors fixed.

Then someone brakes in, and rearranges price tags.

Then you come in and seeing paintings at affordable 13 USD instead usual 17 USD you bid for it and win.
Others do too, some even for 10 USD, 5 USD... and so on.
One dude buys all the paintings for a penny each - you think - what a crazy trade, wtf.

You come back to pickup your painting for 13 USD that you bought, but the owner woken up and closed the auction house.
Sign says it will reopen in few hours. Then in a day. Then "soon".

As buyer of picture at 13 USD I would expect some compensation if it was all a fuckup.

I, personally, would not demand to have the paintings are pries like 10 USD, or 5 USD, or 1 USD,  but some people might want to want to have compensation.

Well I can say that services from mtgox where good as far as I know (but this leak clusterfuck is horrible shit).

Obviously they need people that take take security as their life mission and are paranoid, not the "some hacks? well meh its probably the user fault" approach that was allegedly used.

If you really see it, then address that, instead of doing childish insults.

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  Data breach      
  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  A data breach is the unintentional release of secure information to an untrusted environment. Other terms for this phenonmenon include unintentional information disclosure, data leak and also data spill.
  Incidents range from concerted attack by black hats with the backing of organized crime or national governments to careless disposal of used computer equipment or data storage media.


I ment the same as Wikipedia defines it - Mtgox unintentionally released our secure information.

Ok... so by comparsion, was Sony banking cards scandal a leak or "just data stolen" from poor poor Sony?

Even Reuters calls Sony heist "data leak", and the situation seem similar - someone hacked in and stolen the database - but perhaps they don't know shit, or perhaps this situation is totally different.

So sure - please explain to us this difference - why you say mtgox users database getting into Internet was not a data leak. perhaps I'm wrong.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/28/us-sony-stock-idUSTRE73R0A420110428

Mtgox leaked our sensitive data.

This is not a FUD, thoes are the solid, sad facts - you can find all our data leaked here on forum.

We know user DB leaked and passwords where cracked and more are cracked.

Some people used same passwords in few places and they are burned even more (but this is actually in big part their fault, smaller fault of mtgox imho).

I wonder now is transactions also leaked.
If they could log into accounts, they could see orders history. Including banking details.

IRS visit, anyone? Been paying all the taxes on bitcoin gains?
Anyone bought coins in mtgox and right away bought a sex-doll, or alcohol (in countries where that is not legal), or donated to pro-democratic foundations (say EFF?) in countries where that would bring trouble?

It is the worst banking secrecy disaster that could had happened to Mt gox users - full access to their accounts.

Personally actually I did paid tax on bitcoin (yeap), but this situation is really bad even if this part does not affect me.

Sorry mtgox, I did liked your services a lot;  but such horrible negligence pisses me off! 

1) you are pathetic (at least in this posts above) - for the reasons that follow:
2) you made ad ad hominem attack - actually it was all that your post was
3) you imply that person must be stupid because he just joined our community. This is a fallacy. How you know how long he used BTC overall (even if that mattered) - or better, how knowledgeable he is in business/finances/trading/law?
If Benjamin Franklin would join some local group of people talking about a politics, would you also imply he doesn't know shit, just because he just-joined?
4) "you had no money on the line in bitcoin" - how the hell do you know that?
5) you say that if he has no money on the line then he should not speak. Then what, if soliders would be murdering people in country X then you should not say anything bad (or good) about it unless you have family in country X?

Seriously.


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Sure but his motives are not relevant to his opinion how law would work here. Just the law matters no matter who quotes it.

What with orders @10 @12 @15 placed at least partially (imho mostly) by legitimate users.

Your ad hominem attack is proving that even a new member of forum can say more correct and informative things that "hero member" as you.

This is again, why reimbursing everyone (so doing a rollback while letting people profit as if there would be no-rollback) would be most just (and unrealistic since it requires liek 400,000 usd)

Mediafire seems to require JavaScript turned on to download the fucking text file.

Someone should paste that to normal pastebin instead of this crap

What if people in china would rob some farmers. The farmers would be forced to work at slave wage or just for food at local factory. It would make new abibas boots from there cost x100 lower then you pay in normal shop. Someone would import them to your country, and you would buy them at x5 lower price at local baazar and then open up a shop.

No wait, not baazar.

You would buy it at most respectable and biggest imported good distributor in your Bitcoinville country.

Later police comes in and takes all your goods. Happy?

Again - I am not saying here necessarily that say mtgox is bad for doing the rollback or anything; Just trying to look at legal-moral problems that arise with trades triggered initially by some wrong doing; How should they reverse, who should refund which trader.

And if the crash would be "just" to @5 then what? Is it some hacking or bubble bursting?
What if @3 ?

Here it happened, first it was drop to @10, then @5 then to @1 and so on.

There are more people involved then the @0.01 guy.

I would buy like hell if the price would drop to say @9, and most people on this forum would. With price @1 I doubt anyone would not buy (unless he started to think the entire bitcoin thing collapsed overall).

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It would be cool if email's would be openpgp signed (separate key ofcourse for automated notifications etc, other for real humans/support)

Rollback. 
In ideal world I would also add "and refund people loosing profits due to rollback".

Never existed in what sense? There are blocks carrying 400 k transaction around - although it is just mtgox backing up its wallets AFAIK,
and the fortune gained due to hack leading to 0.01 price was contained inside mtgox database of balances of internal accounts.