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Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I have fallen out of love with democracy.
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on: June 06, 2011, 01:07:57 AM
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1. user presents opposing side, does a good job 2. topic starter says his argument is invalid because he is the opposition
Huh? The topic starter hasn't made a post in here since he started the topic. I provided a solution to the corruption in my first post in this thread. Ironically one that is usually favored by libertarian types. More government doesn't solve the government corruption problem. Also Socialist Democracies aren't free.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I have fallen out of love with democracy.
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on: June 06, 2011, 12:38:39 AM
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Utter bullshit.
Libertarianism is a set of formulas that work great in the minds of (sheltered) geeks, but when it comes to reality... there's this easily observable gradient... and it's easy to see that the societies that do best (by far) are socialist democracies and the ones that do worst are the ones with the most "Libertarian" approach to managing society.
The reason the democracy you're living in is corrupted is because corporate money has gotten into campaign financing. These same corporations have spent fucking billions on a 30 year propaganda war... and created this mini-army of warped ideologues convinced (in their minds) that the path to freedom is by getting rid of all corporate regulation and letting corporations run society. The reason that the US now has as many people in prison as the soviets did in the Gulag era is not because you have democracy, it's because you are losing it.
Just because it works in your mind, doesn't mean it works.
Ever noticed that The Austrian school is willfully, by definition, empirical-evidence-agnostic? Think that there might be a reason for that? It's because it only works in theory.
Democracy is not "Cheap", people died for it... and are still dying for it (all over the middle-east) now. In the 20th Century, non-democratic governments rounded up and murdered 160 million of their own people. And you sit there in the comfort of the freedom that has been provided to you by the blood of of those that went before, and theorise that some system where people with the most money have the most power might be best.
The purpose of democracy is to provide a democratically accountable means of controlling a monopoly on violence. Anything else is a type of protection-racket. Anyone who thinks that they can dispense with this just isn't thinking. We've seen what happens when societies fall apart - local protection rackets spring up. What are you going to do when a local gang moves into your house? Ostracise them?
Shoot at them? Organise a rival gang?
I can't believe the stupidity... the ignorance, of people who look at the plutocracy that they've found themselves in and decide "democracy isn't working. What we need is a system where there are no constraints on capital".
Oh, and by the way,
"Responsibility" is not "looking after yourself". Only fucking children think this. "Personal-Responsibility" is an infantile concept.
Dude I think you've been sucking on the government teat too long. I'm betting you went to some government endorsed institution for school too. The USA is the most powerful nation in the world for a reason, because it's (was) the land of the free. It's those socialist ideas that are killing it today.
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Economy / Economics / Re: BTC = $19?!
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on: June 05, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
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Who's buying right now? Must be the Chinese.
There's huge media attention from Germany going on. I think it was at like 2 am in Germany when the $19 spike happened, probably not the Germans.
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Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin Musical Chairs Strategy game to win Bitcoins
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on: June 05, 2011, 07:51:15 PM
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the problem is it never becomes negative EV to buy back in. Essentially, after you are booted, it is always rational to buy back in. Which means that the two people with the deepest bankroll will always be doing an expensive coinflip at the end with everyone else just suckers on the way.
Could make it more interesting by adding some probability on each round that someone gets declared a winner with no further buy-ins possible. ie- an 80% chance someone will get eliminated and game will continue as usual, a 20% chance that someone in the game will scoop the pot. So if there are 4 people playing there is an 80% chance one will get eliminated and a 5% for each of them that they will be declared the outright winner that round.
I have thought of that. That's why I came up with other ending scenarios like the game ending when the pool reaches a certain number of bitcoins per player, but your idea is pretty good. Although it is possible that a guy who put in only one bit coin at the start could make it all the way to the end without getting booted once. Another scenario that could be done is that there is a small chance every round that the game comes to and end and the pot is split up between the remaining players.
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Economy / Marketplace / Bitcoin Musical Chairs Strategy game to win Bitcoins
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on: June 05, 2011, 07:24:36 PM
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So I came up with a game people can play with bitcoins, or any currency for that matter I call Musical Chairs. This is how the game works:
The game works in rounds, a lot like musical chairs. To start the game someone puts down an initial amount, like one bitcoin. Everyone else who wants to get in has to put the exact same amount in. Once the first round ends. One person is booted at random from the game. The amount he put down stays in the pool. So now the amount per person goes up. This continues until there is only one person left, once that happens that person gets the pool. To add a twist to the game people can jump into the game by putting bitcoins down no matter what round it is. However the amount they put down has to be what ever the current bitcoins per person is in the game. Even people who were previously booted from the game can buy back into the next round like this.
Let me give an example:
One person starts the game at one bitcoin. Three other people join him in the first round, each has to put down one bitcoin. The total number of bit coins in the pool is four and there are four people playing. The next round one person get booted out at random. So now there are only three people, but still four bit coins, so that's 1 and 1/3rd bit coins per person. Some else decides to join/buy back into the game. To do so he has to put in 1 and 1/3rd bitcoins. So now there are four people again, but 5 and 1/3rd bit coins in the pool. This cycle continues until the buy in amount gets too high and no one else wants to buy in anymore. Then then one round at a time everyone except one is booted out till one person is left. That person gets the pool.
To make the game more fun for more people the game can end in various ways besides elimination of all but one person. Like limiting the game to a certain number of rounds. Then the pool is split among the remaining people. Also it could be limited to a certain value, like the game ends once the value gets to 10 bitcoins per person. Another way it could end would be the first round where no one buys in is automatically the last round.
If anyone is interested in this game let me know, and I'll moderate one. If it becomes popular I can make a site where people can play it with bit coins. Remember this is more of a strategy game than a gambling game since you can just keep buying back in.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A way to promote bitcoins
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on: June 05, 2011, 04:17:36 AM
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Somebody, please write to Vatican library to convince them to accept bitcoin donations. I Don't know English language enough to do this myself.
Don't you need to know Italian for that?
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Economy / Economics / Re: BTC = $19?!
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on: June 05, 2011, 01:48:29 AM
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wow crap, I sold a bunch at 17.5 yesterday,
should I buy back now?
It gets on my nerves whenever this otherwise excellent project is (rightfully) seen as a gambling speculation rather than as a medium of exchange. Apparently the folks opposing my anti-deflationary proposal, who are the majority, think it's a nice game where you can double your money within 24 hours and run away. SighIf it wasn't for speculation the BTC would still be less than a dollar
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: most libertarian US states?
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on: June 05, 2011, 12:56:44 AM
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Many US states are libertarian in different ways. The Free State Project's research is a good starting point. Just remember that one of their criteria was that they were looking for a small state that could be influenced by an influx of people. Texas, for instance, is libertarian in a lot of ways. Michael Badnarik and Ron Paul, Libertarian Party presidential candidates, are from Texas. But Texas would never be considered ripe for libertarian take-over.
Texas is so libertarian, that when some old lady's husband died the state decided she couldn't take care of herself anymore, sold her house for her, threw her in an assisted living home and forced her to pay for it with the proceeds from her house sale. Yep that has libertarian written all over it. Texas is very independent, not free, people often seem to confuse the two.
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Economy / Economics / Re: BTC = $19?!
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on: June 05, 2011, 12:53:38 AM
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It's nice to finally see the faces behind the answer to the question of "Who on earth would still buy at these prices?" Day trading My main stash I let sit.
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Economy / Economics / BTC = $19?!
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on: June 05, 2011, 12:10:04 AM
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19 dollars, I got in at 9.50, so my investment has officially doubled, and a month sooner than I anticipated. Who's buying right now? Must be the Chinese.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens when the Bitcoin prices are too high and more Miners come online?
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on: June 04, 2011, 10:46:30 PM
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What happens when the Bitcoin prices are too high and more Miners come online? Why I ask this? Demand Destruction happens when the price for a stocks, commodities, Homes etc. becomes so high that the average person cannot afford it. BTC "$17.00, $30.00, $50.00 $100.00". Bitcoin Miners are always coming online and adding BTC to the market causing a gult. At what price will a flood of sell order go in trapping traders and their stockpile of Bitcoin? Latest Bitcoin news at http://www.bitcoinconnection.comKT Bitcoins are almost infinitly divisible. Most people don't want to buy 1/1 millionth of a house, you can with bitcoins
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