The evidence shows a pretty straight forward connection between Cloud Mining Website and Eobot. You'd have to be pretty blind and delusional to claim otherwise. Given CMW's lack of rebuttal, that's the evidence you have before your very own eyes.

1CRC37wFKwWwRPDtRPs9fDsQ9xxaTSR16a provides the initial funding to 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 on 2014-12-05 08:18:57.

1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 has received payment from 1CMR1qXfBSAuBzd6vFKSrhpfpWWiptHjCP on the following occasions:

2015-01-04 22:04:03 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Spent) 0.19327382 BTC
2015-01-03 20:00:32 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Spent) 0.18126296 BTC
2015-01-02 20:09:29 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Spent) 0.18389129 BTC
2015-01-01 20:02:45 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Spent) 0.69087128 BTC
2014-12-28 20:46:41 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Unspent) 0.05441038 BTC
2014-12-21 23:03:52 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Spent) 0.3782374 BTC
2014-12-14 20:20:06 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Unspent) 0.09201893 BTC
2014-12-07 22:10:14 1L3Mndd8F9mQMLUFzWX8sPnVaJx3WkYfa4 - (Unspent) 0.08978733 BTC

Those payouts make no sense which brings to question the post by "kingbruce".

So, your answer to all those questions is that they were all customer refunds? Can anyone confirm that? Given that these are customer refunds, could you provide the transactions showing the initial payments? While you're at it, are there any other refunds you'd like to mention?


So, 1HnwjL9P2rS3TFrqZeVXf7sYcRApK4YyMd is a customers address that got a refund on 2015-01-18 18:58:29 yet still got a payout on 2015-01-18 20:16:05 - over an hour later.


It funded 18Mk74Hd9eBFuMSLeLLRRMGC6SrZUxPxG6 which funded 165uomxvU6tJxprQ3ThmaHUBSGarqqtUxu which funded 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9. Also, how would the user know this "wrong address" to send the coins to that you would later use to fund your payout address. That doesn't make any sense to me. Could you explain that better.


Again, the supposed refund occurred on 2015-01-05 18:03:45 yet 1Aq4paN7DwpuoUqaZZrbzqNVbyxpttT2xL still received payouts on 2015-01-11 22:53:05 and 2015-01-18 20:16:05.

None. I'm just starting my investigations from the other end of the operation - the addresses you use to receive payments from customers.

Now, if you'd care to answer the 4 questions in my previous post...

Answer those 4 questions

This transaction contains at least 1 address provided to a customer by Cloudminr to pay for contracts. I will leave that user's address undisclosed. If they wish, they can confirm that it's theirs. It probably contains other customer addresses too.

The transaction sends coins to the following addresses:
149z8MJVBKoLReLm8C1yyUAUmvDGYqBHK8 - (Spent) 5.305 BTC,
1FNB5F2Qq7AAtP5ZC8aK7v3x8xZBcpCLbx - (Spent) 0.00318708 BTC.

1FNB5F2Qq7AAtP5ZC8aK7v3x8xZBcpCLbx is also the last input in the above transaction so we can confirm that it is also a Cloudminr controlled address along with all the other inputs.

After sending coins to 149z8MJVBKoLReLm8C1yyUAUmvDGYqBHK8 and receiving some change, 1FNB5F2Qq7AAtP5ZC8aK7v3x8xZBcpCLbx goes on to send coins to 1HfToye5iFS9RJou3qSRfek7ewcPhRmJjt which contains 15.10212214 BTC and has received 8 other payments but never made any.

1HfToye5iFS9RJou3qSRfek7ewcPhRmJjt also receives payment from 1McVqjwg4xazUzLrjau2LZC72GE9D3kGSe which was initially funded by 1EHWft87GiLjwLDHVhN8NbMkCYUQKXamGW. Apart from receiving the initial payment, there have only been two other transactions from this address, both to 1HfToye5iFS9RJou3qSRfek7ewcPhRmJjt. The interesting thing here is that 1EHWft87GiLjwLDHVhN8NbMkCYUQKXamGW receives payments from Cloudminr's payout address and Cloud Mining Website's payout address. I'll be looking into this more later.

149z8MJVBKoLReLm8C1yyUAUmvDGYqBHK8 sends coins to 1DehpsSXy4JxJExWBSwJ5fW6QKeTAUHyaP which sends them on to 1PN89jpUpL2XH4zkyc4sUqTcsbLHKTveff along with numerous other inputs.

Along with a few other addresses, 1PN89jpUpL2XH4zkyc4sUqTcsbLHKTveff sends coins to the following addresses:
17494YyZsL3cHdhYwjXqjeA3eTXFTR3Zux - (Spent) 110.521 BTC
1P9AjhwGhP15ddqUuSxpkXPMTsdBJnkwrt - (Unspent) 7.74285349 BTC

1P9AjhwGhP15ddqUuSxpkXPMTsdBJnkwrt is also used as an input adddress twice and that's actually its last transaction.

17494YyZsL3cHdhYwjXqjeA3eTXFTR3Zux sends to 1AGsvyb5Y69npQNBTLvjpzS3rDvxNKYDmo and 151wVwtxC8pUQZ26Ad5JCaeS6iLNz9FFrG.

1AGsvyb5Y69npQNBTLvjpzS3rDvxNKYDmo is a BTC-e user address. The evidence for that is that it sends payments to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL.

151wVwtxC8pUQZ26Ad5JCaeS6iLNz9FFrG sends to:.
1NXNJjtqTK3sFmEWrDbXv7qzis6QAVeNJ8 - (Spent) 0.074125 BTC
1Pep2aR1Y96i4ekhDz6PKuGhExr1ZZf2tq - (Spent) 102.71012248 BTC

1NXNJjtqTK3sFmEWrDbXv7qzis6QAVeNJ8 sends to 19Nun3i1EZjfNtcZvFoyjYTeYQr6uPJhcm which sends to two addresses where the money remains:
17yK7ehGj7MhWgFV9JbhExfFMT8jWm2vEv - (Unspent) 100 BTC
1QFLooFaJzMFvn38k9x1exr5cerTC9PHtQ - (Unspent) 0.01 BTC

1Pep2aR1Y96i4ekhDz6PKuGhExr1ZZf2tq sends to:
1M1Wm9gD241ERz94CMUAiVcAdeycSv2SK6 - (Spent) 2.91778005 BTC
15YuS54RCGzb7qDmEhSWPzRLMPHsQxxsts - (Spent) 99.79224243 BTC

1M1Wm9gD241ERz94CMUAiVcAdeycSv2SK6 is another BTC-e user address.

If you follow the money down the 15YuS54RCGzb7qDmEhSWPzRLMPHsQxxsts  path you get the following chain:

15YuS54RCGzb7qDmEhSWPzRLMPHsQxxsts sends to:
16Xp6XJYVbHjMfNUnwwAdGTRxBewumSc5z - (Spent) 2.11415643 BTC
1DkEA4HX677At99mR1p4L35h9itNQKRSdT - (Spent) 97.677986 BTC

1DkEA4HX677At99mR1p4L35h9itNQKRSdT sends to:
1Jw86SoMCaiMFtUyKfoFT18odrhBRXpnmB - (Spent) 0.76539883 BTC
13ppadCU4oC53T85RDNsPWHn1LeNh4cUJ8 - (Spent) 96.91248717 BTC

13ppadCU4oC53T85RDNsPWHn1LeNh4cUJ8 sends to:
1Cs6qFGkN1xHog2EXvAYR5YVQtVv6QZ87g - (Unspent) 3.54711253 BTC
1PZ2XGxn7CVovDCquegomBhmN59eXe9b1R - (Spent) 93.36527464 BTC

1PZ2XGxn7CVovDCquegomBhmN59eXe9b1R sends to:
1NN3tmD1SxqtyHuYPpFCJkeFx782K7ewHf - (Spent) 1.53255366 BTC
1FwefhM1FfkDj3GgJ82NzfrE2EFTT2isBf - (Spent) 91.83262098 BTC

1FwefhM1FfkDj3GgJ82NzfrE2EFTT2isBf sends to:
1EYtPdeXJgBmqHoMFHTCg4XrAmusQJZHZb - (Spent) 1.05993538 BTC
1LuqsBtSHmCoo57Vzn4QJckz8R8NCxb7c6 - (Spent) 90.7725856 BTC

1LuqsBtSHmCoo57Vzn4QJckz8R8NCxb7c6 sends to:
1F6swr2KRpSqMTivBwxhjBSKXYreXdn8HA - (Spent) 0.03922562 BTC
1LaeY1qQ2TvMEhNLQ1R7rgGfquPkpTSuw8 - (Spent) 90.73325998 BTC

1LaeY1qQ2TvMEhNLQ1R7rgGfquPkpTSuw8 sends to:
1NHCAstUsKCNZwoXtMCCC3uU8BarJgnW8A - (Spent) 0.06012747 BTC
1P9n8i53Bx82hWh6CgqskrF37PDqzWZTxU - (Spent) 90.67303251 BTC

1P9n8i53Bx82hWh6CgqskrF37PDqzWZTxU sends to:
16H2CFaRzhj5yR62tKNGcryGdPwi5wcgfA - (Spent) 2.1859062 BTC
1KRuyG1ryEWHTVfE9Qpwm9DhSbHoVw37Ub - (Spent) 88.48702631 BTC

1KRuyG1ryEWHTVfE9Qpwm9DhSbHoVw37Ub sends to:
127XXppfoDqSiQrktiXW8vPboqtvUDEfM2 - (Spent) 1.90863413 BTC
164pZC8s7Me31TU6M8F7BDBoQnzhQBrpDE - (Spent) 86.57829218 BTC

164pZC8s7Me31TU6M8F7BDBoQnzhQBrpDE sends to:
1NK15NHGk5zAeFu36nu7R33WLeGZqEQFiG - (Spent) 0.03758367 BTC
1LLCjiQtPF1K1ENDKrz4D7tv2kJFNdiWL1 - (Spent) 86.54060851 BTC

1LLCjiQtPF1K1ENDKrz4D7tv2kJFNdiWL1 sends to:
1LVgjpNbLB73kMSKZFCGCPRDVc67aiFPAv - (Spent) 1.54549119 BTC
12vty8HWaEwdpw1GF9GEM3TYMgp14tkp5o - (Spent) 84.99501732 BTC

12vty8HWaEwdpw1GF9GEM3TYMgp14tkp5o sends to:
14PjPfg6Q9NLGCxyviqTLoAeWy1LhQaqpL - (Spent) 1.27225609 BTC
17nz5CaHwZjJWwHJnCRgvgpdUcPLxJbEma - (Spent) 83.72266123 BTC

17nz5CaHwZjJWwHJnCRgvgpdUcPLxJbEma sends to:
1EhfZeqDEB3LdebaRctwQ7QYePuWQe49NV - (Spent) 0.98974234 BTC
1CBhhhttt2ayoerSZ5ogkgK36oRBV2ZyLw - (Spent) 82.73281889 BTC

1CBhhhttt2ayoerSZ5ogkgK36oRBV2ZyLw sends to:
1JHYUEDtAcy2FzcPNMaECXh7eprscGeYUN - (Spent) 1.4313506 BTC
1NnfQD19ofBz2zg1ii8fjZgrBefUkVwRNH - (Spent) 81.30136829 BTC

1NnfQD19ofBz2zg1ii8fjZgrBefUkVwRNH (along with 18 other inputs) sends to:
1AGsvyb5Y69npQNBTLvjpzS3rDvxNKYDmo - (Spent) 179.78973816 BTC

That's the same BTC-e customer address that coins were sent to earlier. In other words, the owner of 17494YyZsL3cHdhYwjXqjeA3eTXFTR3Zux likely owns that whole chain of addresses.

First of all, I don't own any AMHash or *any* cloud mining contracts, get your facts right. Secondly, I'll offer you a far better bet than you offered me.

If you guess how much money I have in my pocket, you win the bet. I'll give you 100x more than you bet me.

Why would I need balls to go to their forum? What type of retarded nonsense is that? I'm not making an account on a scammers forum.

It would only be possible to prove that God existed only if God allowed such proof to be made public. Likewise, it's only possible to prove that those addresses belong to these scammers if the owners of the addresses decided to publicly provide proof of ownership.

None of your "points of the bet" are relevant because I told you to shove that nonsensical bet up your arse. What part of that do you not understand?


Your point being what exactly?

159L7bbpjvYuMT5PQnFyQvJwws3f7D5BpL and 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM still belong to Cloud Mining Website and still sends payment to Eobot. The 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L and 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec addresses just confirm that the transactions are from Cloud Mining Website, tying them all together.

Besides, bitcoin transactions don't really work like than anyway. The inputs are all added together and spent completely. The total gets distributed to the outputs in the amounts specified and anything leftover is a fee. So, just because an input and an output have the same values, that does not mean that the input sent that value to the output.

 

I'm confident that "God" does not exist. Under no circumstances would I accept a bet to prove the non-existence of "God" as it isn't a bet I could win. Likewise with the idiotic conditions of your bet.

I'm still waiting for Cloud Mining Website's explanation as to why customers funds are being sent to Eobot.

Erm...what relevance is that supposed to have? The transaction fee for everyone of those 3 transactions was 0.0001 BTC though, whatever difference that makes to you.

13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC (dr1980m's address) > 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (Cloud Mining Website pay-in address).



1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (Cloud Mining Website pay-in address) > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM.



1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot).

Yes, I do. Cloud mining website clearly owns 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L, 159L7bbpjvYuMT5PQnFyQvJwws3f7D5BpL and 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec. Therefore, they also own 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM and 18Z1LXDw8DunnyLwRTQf8kHgNPFN5iQZX8 too.

The only reason you want Cloudminr to ignore these allegations and evidence is so that more suckers will be sucked into this ponzi and it can continue to pay you for more time in the hope of making a profit from this scam.

I will post these allegations until they get answered and I have a lot more data mapping out the connections surrounding Cloudminr's 2 payment addresses and their signature campaign address so I'll likely have further questions too depending on their answers.


 

I'm confident that "God" does not exist. Under no circumstances would I accept a bet to prove the non-existence of "God" as it isn't a bet I could win. Likewise with the idiotic conditions of your bet.

Snipped nonsense. Stop lying. All you've done is tried to hand wave away the issue I've raised. If you think you've adequately explained the connection to Eobot, then provide that explanation. I have seen no explanation at all.

RussianRaibow/SpanishSlodier/GermanGiant, stop talking complete bollocks in order to defend a scammer.

Cloud Mining Website is sending customer funds to Eobot. Here's the evidence:

13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC (dr1980m's address) > 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (Cloud Mining Website pay-in address).

1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (Cloud Mining Website pay-in address) > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM.

1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot).

Because I can't prove that for a fact, only the owners of those addresses can do that and I don't own either of them. So, if Cloud Mining website does control those addresses and refuses to prove that, then how could I possibly win that bet? If I can't possibly win the bet, why would I accept it?

I continue to await an explanation from these scammers as to why they're sending customers funds to Eobot.

Just because you are retarded, doesn't mean I am. Why on earth would I accept a bet that can't be won? No, of course I won't be taking up your idiotic bet.


13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC (dr1980m's address) > 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (Cloud Mining Website pay-in address).
1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (Cloud Mining Website pay-in address) > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM.
1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot).

Purchasing cloud mining is no different than buying a physical miner in that regard. You don't buy an obsolete, power hungry miner for above value and expect to make a profit either.

From the transactions and addresses I've seen, I'd say this "company" is operating other scams too. I'd like to hear what cloudminr has to say before I say more though.

Would anyone be willing to post their addresses that they used to send cloudminr payment? I'd like to trace what happens to coins after they leave the customers addresses.

Cloud Mining Website, explain why you are sending customers money to Eobot

dr1980m tried to purchase 30 Gh by sending 0.003 BTC to 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L from 13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC, so 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L is a Cloud Mining Website pay-in address.


1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (pay-in address) > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM  > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining).

Cloud Mining Website, explain why you are sending customers money to Eobot

1MVMVgpJYUDNxfPynkrNV5ujYYe41A7Zes is an address used to top up your 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 payout address on recent occasions. It is therefore obviously an address of yours also. 1MVMVgpJYUDNxfPynkrNV5ujYYe41A7Zes sent a payment to 1HnwjL9P2rS3TFrqZeVXf7sYcRApK4YyMd. 1HnwjL9P2rS3TFrqZeVXf7sYcRApK4YyMd also receives payments from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9.

Could you explain why 1HnwjL9P2rS3TFrqZeVXf7sYcRApK4YyMd is receiving payments from your payout address and the address that tops up your payout address?

Another address 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 receives top ups from is 165uomxvU6tJxprQ3ThmaHUBSGarqqtUxu which is initially funded by 1BpcStx81Srk23A2C2wWqb13Hp27CweSkd. The last payment received by 165uomxvU6tJxprQ3ThmaHUBSGarqqtUxu was from 18Mk74Hd9eBFuMSLeLLRRMGC6SrZUxPxG6 (which was also its last transaction). 18Mk74Hd9eBFuMSLeLLRRMGC6SrZUxPxG6 was initially funded by 12zfiZ2P7nKqRQTAZRq2UkkA9THzhTWFJ3. 12zfiZ2P7nKqRQTAZRq2UkkA9THzhTWFJ3 was initially funded from 1CMR1qXfBSAuBzd6vFKSrhpfpWWiptHjCP, which is an alternate payments address that was used for payments on 2014/11/16.

Why did 12zfiZ2P7nKqRQTAZRq2UkkA9THzhTWFJ3 receive payment from 1CMR1qXfBSAuBzd6vFKSrhpfpWWiptHjCP and then go on to top up 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9?

15fo2vJyYn9Q2zccLecbCzg8ss58AGFPUx is also an address that belongs to you as it tops up both payment addresses. 15fo2vJyYn9Q2zccLecbCzg8ss58AGFPUx sends a payment to 1Aq4paN7DwpuoUqaZZrbzqNVbyxpttT2xL which also receives payouts from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9.

Why is 1Aq4paN7DwpuoUqaZZrbzqNVbyxpttT2xL receiving payments from your payout address and the address that tops up your payout address?

15fo2vJyYn9Q2zccLecbCzg8ss58AGFPUx also sends a payment to 186HiBZujj86Gg25SayqzUWyTXvpkrCPqj, which sends a payment to 1AzwVNE3MTnvTjyDCe5Nng5tHHfN3NcNd7 which sends a payment to 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining).

Why are you sending money to Eobot - a "rival" "cloud mining service"?