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1  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: Today at 01:54:50 PM
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I already showed you calculations, not only from the speeds that the building was falling at demonstrating it fell at free fall conductive with the rate of gravity showing ZERO resistance which should have been there had it been a collapse without explosives, as well as the explosive forces required to propel multiple multi-ton sections of the building hundreds of yards from their original positions in all directions. You however ignore these facts to maintain your pretext of having an argument.


Sure, no problem. Since you have problems with definitions of basic English words here is the definition of STATIC:
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No, we are discussion static and dynamic LOADS.  You really need to learn some science and engineering to discuss these things without being corrected all the time.  From Wikipedia-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_dynamics

The distinction is made between the dynamic and the static analysis on the basis of whether the applied action has enough acceleration in comparison to the structure's natural frequency. If a load is applied sufficiently slowly, the inertia forces (Newton's first law of motion) can be ignored and the analysis can be simplified as static analysis. Structural dynamics, therefore, is a type of structural analysis which covers the behavior of structures subjected to dynamic (actions having high acceleration) loading. Dynamic loads include people, wind, waves, traffic, earthquakes, and blasts. Any structure can be subjected to dynamic loading. Dynamic analysis can be used to find dynamic displacements, time history, and modal analysis.

A dynamic analysis is also related to the inertia forces developed by a structure when it is excited by means of dynamic loads applied suddenly (e.g., wind blasts, explosion, earthquake).

A static load is one which varies very slowly. A dynamic load is one which changes with time fairly quickly in comparison to the structure's natural frequency.


Oh, and NO, you did not and have not "I already showed you calculations, not only from the speeds that the building was falling at demonstrating it fell at free fall conductive with the rate of gravity showing ZERO resistance."

You see, suppose that the bowling ball fell from 1000 feet, and every 10 feet there was a large piece of paper that it smashed through.  You'd have to have a very precise measuring device to notice any difference at all in the rate of fall.  Now assume that instead of paper, it smashed through .25" plywood every ten feet.  Might be able to measure that resistance.  With very precise instruments.  

In the case at hand, you'd like to claim that 0.8 seconds is the margin of error.  But a margin of error does not mean "zero resistance," does it?  Zero resistance is total, absolute nonsense.  Well, which is it?  Zero resistance or some resistance that accumulated to somewhere between 0 and 0.8 seconds resistance to the fall?

Make up your mind, dude.



Potential Energy released in WTC event  :  about 100 tons of TNT

Nobody needs your explanations of secret Ninjas placing explosives to bring those towers down.

No, you are discussing something else every time I demolish your argument. When you have lost an argument you simply move the goal posts and claim you meant something else. I brought up the fact that the WTC towers were designed to withstand hurricanes. You called a hurricane static. I displayed the definition of static which has no relevance describing a hurricane, now suddenly you claim you were talking about "static loads" all along. Please, your attempts at misdirection are pathetic.

Suppose the laws of physics apply and the towers fell at free fall speed, faster than possible with any resistance from crushing the floors below, even if this wasn't in violation of Newton's 3rd law as well.

I never even debated the .8 seconds. You can have it, not that it helps your argument other than providing another distraction. Lets use the official report which states 10 seconds which IS STILL FREE FALL SPEED. Your talk about the "margin of error" again is just more word salad to attempt to sound like you have an argument.

It doesn't matter if the energy of the buildings falling was 20 megatons, they still will not fall at free fall speeds unless explosives are used to clear the supports and remove the resistance of the columns. As usual there is zero substance in your statements.
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Master-P SCAMMER. I lost complete faith in this forum now. on: Today at 10:42:43 AM
are we still talking about master-p or has this thread gone completely off topic?  not complaining, just been on vacation and trying to catch up

Steam is full of people trying to phish free gear, sending iffy links to staemcomunity . com or whatever :p   I would guess its harder to scam since valve put in the trade delays and revocation but no doubt theres people still sitting there all day trying their luck

someone filed some bad rep against him, not sure if its anyone here but he mentions bitcointalk, last oct
http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561197994994008-csgo-counter-strike-global-offensive-items.114476/

http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197994994008

Its listed as unconfirmed, Im not sure if anyone wants to further that so he is clearly marked as unreliable

Yep, I can confirm that is his Steam account.
3  Economy / Goods / Re: ADULT SWIM vinyl KIDROBOT figures BUY ONE GET ONE FREE on: Today at 10:36:12 AM
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4  Economy / Goods / Re: Slim Jim Car Lockout Set for BTC - NOW INCLUDES MORE PHOTO! on: Today at 10:34:13 AM
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6  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual on: Today at 04:16:41 AM
Is there a fine for calling a whore a whore? Just curious.

No, but there is a fine for calling a slut, whore, or a skank, ho

Also, Santa must now say "Ha ha ha"... the previous jolly, "Ho ho ho", was offensive to the whores



Note: If anyone from NYC wants to be a bigot against trannys, they can always move to NC...  NC will defend religious bigotry to the grave
(and NYC is nearly NC anyway... just missing a Y)

So now not allowing anyone who decides they feel like a man or a woman that day to go into whatever bathroom, locker room, or shower they like is "bigotry against trannys", oh of course. It couldn't be that they are defending the rights of everyone else against a small fascist minority subset of this tiny community now could it? No, that makes too much sense!
7  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: Today at 02:29:08 AM
Former athlete and sportscaster David Icke has proposed that a race of reptilian, shape-shifting extraterrestrials is bent on world domination and subjugating the human race to slavery.

 Icke attributes a number of world catastrophes to the aliens, including 9/11.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Antisemitism_in_conspiracy_theories

IT'S THE REPTILIAN SHAPE-SHIFTERS!
  What does David Icke have to do with me? David Icke doesn't speak for me, and this is you yet again grasping at straws to try to defame my point rather than counter it with logic. You are really struggling now aren't you?




So, a couple of crap movies come out, and a few guys get hypnotized by them, and repeat their mantras.  That's all you are doing here.  By the way here's a pretty good debunking of a lot of the TRUTHER claims. 

https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/911NutPhysics.HTM

You said this -

The fact is the buildings WERE EXTREMELY OVER ENGINEERED. They were able to withstand 2000% of its own load.

Sorry, that's not at all impressive.  That's a static load.  Rather than being proof they could not fall it's proof there was no way around them falling.  I wonder if you have any clue how it changes with a dynamic load?  A hundred times is easy to have occur.  Just doodling with some numbers here, I find there is no way that the towers could not have collapsed, if they had an initial event that caused an upper rigid section to fall even ten feet.  It is no different than putting a bowling ball on your foot.  You can do that, no problem.  But try dropping the ball from just two or three feet.

The problem is that you seem to ignore these realities in chasing the option you want to believe in.

Oh, so some aholes put up a website with more word salad just like you practice and that is proof huh? Clearly no one has EVER lied on the internet! I noticed there is no math or anything close to a scientific examination on that site, just more semantic gymnastics like you are so fond of to distract from the facts.

Sorry, but I didn't use documentaries to collect these FACTS about physics, additionally my sources come from many places, including the official reports themselves. You accusing me of basing my logic on documentaries does not argue against the points, it is just yet another distraction in a long string of distractions you hope will divert people away from the facts I presented.

As far as your point about 2000% over engineering being a static load, please tell me, what do you call wind shear? Is the fact that the building was designed to stay standing in a hurricane a static load? Again this has nothing to do with the fact that the laws of physics do not allow for a building to fall at free fall speeds without explosives. Your foot and a bowling ball have nothing to do with massive towers. More deny, distract, and dismiss, no actual arguments of substance as usual.

You accuse me of denying reality when your only arguments rely on juvenile oversimplifications like dropping bowling balls on your foot while I have demonstrated with the laws of physics a complete collapse without explosives would be impossible.....

Respectfully, I am afraid that you have not done what you have said you have done.  You have not even approached it.  However, at any time you are welcome to show the physics calculations.  I invite you to. 

Is a hurricane a static load?  Have you ever been in a hurricane?  Even been separated by one pane of glass from a full blown hurricane?  I have.  I was stuck for four miserable days in a hotel with no power in Kowloon.  Yes, I would call it a static load in the horizontal direction, unless some dynamic oscillations set up in the building structure.  The load presented was remarkably constant over the duration.
Want to argue that one?  Go ahead. 

That has no relation to the case at hand.  I've actually already answered this twice, but apparently you didn't get it.  Yes, the example of the bowling ball is relevant.  What is the dynamic load presented by the ball, accelerated over 10 feet, and deaccelerated in the space of 1 inch by your foot?

10 feet = 120 inches

10 feet at 9.8 fps^2 = 1 inch at 9.8*120 fps^2

No building, no steel column will withstand this crushing and shearing force.  Think of it as a 120x multiplier.   You claim the buildings were built to only withstand a 20x multipler.  Your problem is in your claim, not in my answer.

It's no different than when you claimed it took exponentially more force to move something 500 feet than 5 feet.  The answer is simply applying the law of physics.  The claim is then simply proven wrong.

If you read and believe people who say these things, why not invite them to this forum.  Just tell them there's this wacko guy that says 8th grade math chem and physics will refute their claims.  Makes no difference to me.

Meanwhile, how does it feel to be a repeater of Muslim propaganda?

I already showed you calculations, not only from the speeds that the building was falling at demonstrating it fell at free fall conductive with the rate of gravity showing ZERO resistance which should have been there had it been a collapse without explosives, as well as the explosive forces required to propel multiple multi-ton sections of the building hundreds of yards from their original positions in all directions. You however ignore these facts to maintain your pretext of having an argument.


Sure, no problem. Since you have problems with definitions of basic English words here is the definition of STATIC:

Full Definition of static:

    1: exerting force by reason of weight alone without motion

    2: of or relating to bodies at rest or forces in equilibrium

    3: showing little change <a static population>

    4: characterized by a lack of movement, animation, or progression

    5: standing or fixed in one place :  stationary

None of these things are descriptive of a hurricane. I think you know this however and are playing your usual semantic games attempting to redefine words rather than admit your point has no merit.

No, a bowling ball has nothing to do with towers over a hundred stories tall, sorry. That is not a valid explanation let alone an even reasonable comparison, but since you bring up deceleration in your inadequate comparison, where is the deceleration in the towers as they fell? They fell at free fall speeds, and according to your crappy bowling ball comparison, impact results in deceleration, precluding the possibility that the towers impacted anything below as they fell, REQUIRING explosives in order to clear the supports before that impact could occur. You cant even make your half ass comparisons work for you. I have applied the laws of physics and proven you wrong, your continual denials of this does not change the fact that it happened, it is only a pathetic attempt to distract from it. I know in your mind this is all about Muslims, and "we can't let the Muslims win", but this has absolutely zero to do with the laws of physics, which is why you have to keep invoking Muslim extremism in order to distract from these facts.
8  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: Today at 12:41:53 AM
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Again, let me explain how conspiracies are kept quiet.
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That's all you got?

Not very much.

Nothing that explains why nobody came forward for the huge prize.

You are in denial of reality.  Conspiracies cannot be kept quiet indefinitely.  Used to be easier than now.

Said the man with a 3 sentence reply to pages of information. What fucking prize? Who is paying for this mythical prize? How do you spend it if your brains are splattered? No, it hasn't gotten harder to hide conspiracies, the strategies for hiding them have just changed. They used to try to hide the information, now they just bury it in a mountain of bullshit information (much like you are attempting to do here in this thread). Needle in a haystack strategy. No, most conspiracies can't be kept indefinitely, that is why there are only a handful of willfully ignorant people like you remaining. I know you spend a lot of time trying to ignore it, but evidence HAS been being exposed in the decade and a half since 9/11. People like you are now the minority. Enjoy ninja boy.

So, a couple of crap movies come out, and a few guys get hypnotized by them, and repeat their mantras.  That's all you are doing here.  By the way here's a pretty good debunking of a lot of the TRUTHER claims.  

https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/911NutPhysics.HTM

You said this -

The fact is the buildings WERE EXTREMELY OVER ENGINEERED. They were able to withstand 2000% of its own load.

Sorry, that's not at all impressive.  That's a static load.  Rather than being proof they could not fall it's proof there was no way around them falling.  I wonder if you have any clue how it changes with a dynamic load?  A hundred times is easy to have occur.  Just doodling with some numbers here, I find there is no way that the towers could not have collapsed, if they had an initial event that caused an upper rigid section to fall even ten feet.  It is no different than putting a bowling ball on your foot.  You can do that, no problem.  But try dropping the ball from just two or three feet.

The problem is that you seem to ignore these realities in chasing the option you want to believe in.

At the same time, you seem to actually believe a conspiracy can be kept quiet when hundreds or thousands of people were complicit.  But an insurance company isn't eager to pay out 4B in cash.  They'll do anything they can to find a way around it, and they'd just love to find someone who talked and who showed there was insurance fraud.  But you'd claim every last one of them stayed quiet.  Pretty laughable.

All in all, this sure sounds like your line is one of Islamic propaganda and active Muslim disinformation to the West.  Make the US the evil one, make the Muslims nothing but harmless victims.  Sure, buddy.  There's some evidence to the contrary of that equation -

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Oh, so some aholes put up a website with more word salad just like you practice and that is proof huh? Clearly no one has EVER lied on the internet! I noticed there is no math or anything close to a scientific examination on that site, just more semantic gymnastics like you are so fond of to distract from the facts.

Sorry, but I didn't use documentaries to collect these FACTS about physics, additionally my sources come from many places, including the official reports themselves. You accusing me of basing my logic on documentaries does not argue against the points, it is just yet another distraction in a long string of distractions you hope will divert people away from the facts I presented.

As far as your point about 2000% over engineering being a static load, please tell me, what do you call wind shear? Is the fact that the building was designed to stay standing in a hurricane a static load? Again this has nothing to do with the fact that the laws of physics do not allow for a building to fall at free fall speeds without explosives. Your foot and a bowling ball have nothing to do with massive towers. More deny, distract, and dismiss, no actual arguments of substance as usual.

You accuse me of denying reality when your only arguments rely on juvenile oversimplifications like dropping bowling balls on your foot while I have demonstrated with the laws of physics a complete collapse without explosives would be impossible. These aren't even just calculations with a margin of error, they are LAWS of physics. Laws are not malleable or prone to error, that is why they are called LAWS of physics.

I already refuted your claims about the insurance company payout, and your reply is to stick your fingers in your ears and say "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  People did speak out, and then they died.

I don't like Muslim extremism any more than you, but your argument is a logical fallacy. I don't have to support your fantasy narrative of 9/11 in order to be against Muslim extremism, nor does proving the official narrative is false provide any material support to Muslim extremism. The fact is I don't like when my country and its people are USED AS TOOLS against their knowledge to be the iron fist in a fight that was not even theirs until they were induced into it with this false narrative. The "War on Terror" did far more to GROW Muslim extremism than it did to fight it. In fact there is a lot of documentation pointing to the fact that Al-quaida and ISIS were funded and trained by the CIA and other US domestic agencies. This isn't even conspiracy theory, it is in the main stream news! So in short, you can take your pro-Israel at the cost of everyone else rhetoric and shove it right up your ass.

This is America, and Americans are tired of being used as the military to push globalist interests, and we sure as fuck aren't going to forget that thousands of our people were killed in a false flag and then sent to war over a lie just because you cry about Muslims.

Again, this is all just designed to distract from the facts and physical evidence and the fact that you have no replies to my retorts. Who is offering this magical billion dollar payout for speaking up about it, and I will ask you again for the 20th time, how do you explain the official narrative violating the laws of physics in MULTIPLE ways?
9  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual on: May 24, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
Quite a bit of Homophobia going on in this thread.....Do these people really bother you all so much you post hateful things as you do?  Since when has a Transsexual wronged you in life?

Are you spewing hate because deep inside you have the curiosity to to look....To be interested in some of these folks?

Are you waging a war with your hidden Homo erotic fantasies?

I think so!


If they are not bothering you let them live their lives as they wish.


Please please let those of you complaining about these people step up and give an example of how a "Transsexual" has wronged you or did something to Affect your lives.

I'm waiting.

I am pretty sure most people in this thread don't have a problem with transexuals or homosexuals for that matter. They have a problem with the rhetoric and totalitarian policies pushed using the banner of this small minority of individuals dictating to the vast majority of people what they can and can't say (kind of like what you are doing right now), as well as putting them at risk to satisfy the emotional demands of a small subsection of their group. You rely on accusing these people of homophobia because you have no other argument but to accuse these people of hate because there is no logic for you to stand on! You had better start working on growing a brain now, because the era of the social justice warrior mentality of emotion = logic is over.

Really? The sarcasm and blatent posts like this says it all.

Just call him a faggot to avoid any misgendering.

You jumping right back to accusations of hate and latent homosexuality as your argument says a lot more.
10  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual on: May 24, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
Meet Carmen and Jenna.

Now if these 2 hot Bitches came knocking at your door and asked if they could use your bathroom your dick would get rock hard you would forget your own name and you would let them use your bathroom. You would also address them anyway they wish.

Don't say you wouldn't. They are both Trans

Amazing demonstration of logic. Gold star.
11  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NYC Will Fine You $250,000 For ‘Misgendering’ A Transsexual on: May 24, 2016, 10:52:06 PM
Quite a bit of Homophobia going on in this thread.....Do these people really bother you all so much you post hateful things as you do?  Since when has a Transsexual wronged you in life?

Are you spewing hate because deep inside you have the curiosity to to look....To be interested in some of these folks?

Are you waging a war with your hidden Homo erotic fantasies?

I think so!


If they are not bothering you let them live their lives as they wish.


Please please let those of you complaining about these people step up and give an example of how a "Transsexual" has wronged you or did something to Affect your lives.

I'm waiting.

I am pretty sure most people in this thread don't have a problem with transexuals or homosexuals for that matter. They have a problem with the rhetoric and totalitarian policies pushed using the banner of this small minority of individuals dictating to the vast majority of people what they can and can't say (kind of like what you are doing right now), as well as putting them at risk to satisfy the emotional demands of a small subsection of their group. You rely on accusing these people of homophobia because you have no other argument but to accuse these people of hate because there is no logic for you to stand on! You had better start working on growing a brain now, because the era of the social justice warrior mentality of emotion = logic is over.
12  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 24, 2016, 10:41:48 PM
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Again, let me explain how conspiracies are kept quiet.
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That's all you got?

Not very much.

Nothing that explains why nobody came forward for the huge prize.

You are in denial of reality.  Conspiracies cannot be kept quiet indefinitely.  Used to be easier than now.

Said the man with a 3 sentence reply to pages of information. What fucking prize? Who is paying for this mythical prize? How do you spend it if your brains are splattered? No, it hasn't gotten harder to hide conspiracies, the strategies for hiding them have just changed. They used to try to hide the information, now they just bury it in a mountain of bullshit information (much like you are attempting to do here in this thread). Needle in a haystack strategy. No, most conspiracies can't be kept indefinitely, that is why there are only a handful of willfully ignorant people like you remaining. I know you spend a lot of time trying to ignore it, but evidence HAS been being exposed in the decade and a half since 9/11. People like you are now the minority. Enjoy ninja boy.
13  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: May 24, 2016, 09:40:47 AM
In my country you can't have a gun at home, or even if you can, it is really hard to get a licence or something. And there were no cases with kids using such weapon at school, or grown-ups at cinemas.

So what country are you from? I am willing to bet it does not have anywhere near 300 million people from differing economic, social, religious, racial, and ideological backgrounds. I am also willing to bet the over all per-capita crime rate is similar to the USA if not worse.
14  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is inequality and money hijacking the American Democracy? on: May 24, 2016, 09:36:48 AM
I am not accusing him of anything. Those exact words came right out of his own mouth. I would link the video but I saw it quite a while ago and can not seem to find it again.
15  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 24, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
Hard to judge. He's stubborn enough. Of course, that could only be because it's a free forum, and he is attempting to build or sharpen his skills. It's the other characters that I question even more... the ones who jump in with a line or two against inside job, but don't have anything meaningful to say. Seems like they simply want to use up space to push the facts that we write up into the realm of the forgotten. After all, many forum readers jump to the last post in a topic, and barely look at what came before. But Spendy does this, as well.

Cool

No, I am fairly certain. I have gone up against the real McCoy plenty of times and he falls way short. The vast majority of his "arguments" aren't even challenging. Just divert divert divert. Of course what is left when you have no argument?  
16  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: May 24, 2016, 09:15:12 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/prescription-pain-killers-far-riskier-gun-ownership
17  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 24, 2016, 08:13:31 AM
He is not a good enough shill to be a professional. Probably just a freelance ideologue.
18  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 24, 2016, 05:24:08 AM

The fact is you have no counter argument to the fact that the laws of physics prevents the building from falling at free fall speeds with anything other than explosives.
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Not 10 seconds plus or minus .8 seconds. The video analysis says 9.2 seconds. The 9/11 commission report says 10 seconds. That gives us a MAXIMUM of 10 seconds,
 
Claiming a win even before stating the time, LOL....

I'm good then with using the claim of 9.2 to 10 seconds.  Not saying I agree with it, but I'll use it when analyzing the physics to see if the physics disproves your claim of that explosives were "required."


Underwriters aren't bullet proof. Furthermore I already gave you examples of how this process would net FAR MORE money than 4 billion dollars by covering up criminal market activity, tax fraud, and gold rigging.....I am not here to convince you. .....The laws of physics prove you wrong, I don't need your agreement.

No you don't.  And I don't need your agreement.  And pointing out the net sum "to the government" possible from 911 doesn't have anything to do with the motivations of an individual, and the amount he personally could have got for ratting out scoundrels, if there were some.

Sounds like a conspiracy with thousands of people staying quiet for the rest of their lives.  Sounds rather unlikely, really.  Someone would have talked.  We know enough about conspiracies and secret plots of various sorts to know that it's impossible to keep people quiet.  And that's even if there were a half dozen or a dozen people involved.  Thousands?

Bah.

Yes, because I understand physics completely enough to know anything else is impossible. There is tons of other evidence as well, but most of it is debatable forever and ever, which I know is your goal to avoid hard evidence such as this. This is not up for debate, it is a fact.

You sound like a parrot. I did not just cite large amounts that could have been made by the government, I also listed off many private financial organizations that had a lot to gain from this event going down as well. It is becoming increasingly clear you aren't even skimming any of the information I present. Afraid you might learn something you won't like? Perhaps you are reviewing this information and choose to maintain your facade of willful ignorance. Again, you never explained where this mythical  payout comes from. Also you never explained how that person keeps from catching a bullet after they collect.

By your logic, any time there is a massive pay out there is no chance of keeping a secret. If that is the case, how do companies develop new super profitable products and keep them secret? That often involves thousands of people. How are they all kept quiet when a payday is just a phone call away? I am seeing a few gaping holes in your logic here. Really I shouldn't call it logic though, I should call it knee jerk reactionary conditioning to information that causes cognitive dissonance resulting from your confirmation bias.

Who exactly is offering all this money for this "secret". A "secret" by the way that was known by most of the world's intelligence agencies before the attack even happened. The only people in the dark are people like you, and people who get their information from a talking head in their glowing box. The real powers that be do not consider this event a mystery.

Again, let me explain how conspiracies are kept quiet.

COMPARTMENTALIZATION

This is a strategy practiced for thousands of years, from military and intelligence agencies, to private enterprise. The idea is that each individual involved on the project is only given as much information as they need to complete a tiny portion of the project. Either they are told nothing or they are given an alternate explanation, also known as a cover story, for what they are working on. In this way most individuals working on the project will believe something else other than the reality of the project, and the ones who don't will not have enough information to figure out what the end goal is themselves let alone prove it to anyone else.


NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS

These are used widely in business as well as government. As you might know, Hillary Clinton is currently being investigated for breaking a non-disclosure agreement with the US government over the fact that she mishandled classified information. These agreements are designed to keep individuals who do have actionable information from sharing that information with third parties under threat of severe criminal or civil liabilities. If it is going to cost an individual everything they own as well as their careers to share specific information, they are unlikely to do so. Even if they do, the courts might very well aid in suppressing that information as it was illegally obtained.


MILITARY HIERARCHY

In combination with the above two methods, many of the individuals likely involved were in the military or intelligence communities. If they had any information that was counter to the official narrative, disclosing it would be an instant end to their careers and possibly their freedom regardless of its validity considering the sensitive nature of their work. Whistle blowers within these organizations do not fair well.


BRIBES

I don't really need to explain this one very much. People with information are told to keep quiet and they will become very rich. If offered this option, most people take it because they know it is better that the alternatives that follow...


THREATS

Threats usually take the form of violence, ending ones career, violence against ones family, their livelihoods, and other forms of harassment and marginalization. These can also take the form of financial domination. For example if the targeted individual has a mortgage, and you have a large pool of resources to pull from, you could simply buy the mortgage from the bank and then call in the debt forcing the individual and his family out of their homes. There are a million different ways this type of pressure can be applied.


FRAMING

If threats and bribes don't work, often disruptive individuals are simply framed for a crime. A popular tactic for this one is using child pornography. It has been reported by many activists that they have been e-mailed PDF files under some pretext later to find that these files contained a trojan virus that automatically downloads child pornography to their computer, instantly creating legal liability for them. Some individuals were able to take care of this problem before it was too late, others not. At this point it is simply a matter of sending a SWAT team to the targets home and their life is over. Furthermore anyone who ends up in prison relating to any kind of pedophilia charges is in for a short and painfully horrible life. Of course people are framed using other types of crimes as well, other popular tactics are planting drugs or accusations of rape, both which can be done quite easily with a single participant willing to do so.


SILENCE BY DEATH

This category is usually the last option after the others have failed unless the information held is so sensitive that they skip right over the others to make sure it never gets out, this is a rare circumstance though. Often this category is filled with ideologues who refuse to be bribed or intimidated, and take careful steps not to be framed by their aggressors. The object of killing the target this way is to dampen any questions about why the individual ended up dead, so as to not create more inquiries into their life and involvements before death. Usually these individuals are killed in such a way to make it appear as an accident, overdose, suicide, or other natural causes. There are drugs and devices which can induce heart attack and stroke which are not detectable under a standard coroner screen, and some which are completely undetectable. Overdoses can be as simple as slipping something into a targets dinner, then posthumously planting paraphernalia around the victim to make it appear self administered. The seemingly most popular way is what is commonly known as being "suicided", where an individual is murdered in such a way to make it appear as a suicide. This can be done by throwing some one off of a building, hanging the target, etc. Needless to say there are many ways this goal can be achieved.



Speaking of suspicious deaths, here is a small list of individuals who were tied to the events of 9/11 who ended up dead for one reason or another:

David Wherley Jr. - A General in charge of the 113th Fighter Wing at Andrews Air Force base, in Maryland who ordered fighter jets to scramble on 9/11.

Kenneth Johannemann - Kenny Johannemann worked as a part-time janitor in the World Trade Center when it was attacked and destroyed on September 11, 2001.

Barry_Jennings - He was the Deputy Director of the Emergency Services Department for the New York City Housing Authority. He was rescued from WTC Building 7 before it fell.

Beverly Eckert - A prominent spokeswoman for the families of 9/11 victims after her husband was killed in the attacks.

Job W. Price Commander Job W. Price was assigned as the commander of SEAL Team 4, a Naval Special Warfare unit based in Virginia Beach, Va. He was best known for being part of the team that found and then killed Osama bin Laden. 17 members of the SEAL team responsible for finding and killing Osama Bin Laden were killed shortly after the raid under suspicious circumstances when their helicopter was attacked with an RPG.

Michael H. Doran - Mr. Doran was a 9/11 victims lawyer who volunteered his services to help the victims of the 9/11 attacks receive compensation.

Christopher Landis - Christopher Landis was Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol at the VDOT (Virginia Department of Transportation). He was responsible for road safety, road closures and maintenance of light poles.

Paul Smith - Pilot of WABC7’s 9/11 “International Shot” Chopper.

John P. O’Neill - The former head of the FBI's flagship antiterrorism unit in New York City, O'Neill had investigated the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Africa and the USS Cole in Yemen. For six years, he led the fight to track down and prosecute Al Qaeda operatives throughout the world. But his flamboyant, James Bond style and obsession with Osama bin Laden made him a controversial figure inside the buttoned-down world of the FBI. Just two weeks before Sept. 11, O'Neill left the bureau for a job in the private sector -- as head of security at the World Trade Center. He died there after rushing back into the burning towers to aid in the rescue efforts.

Deborah Palfrey - Also known as "The D.C. Madam". Ran an escort service which catered to many suspected to be complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

Perry Kucinich - Brother of Congressman Dennis Kucinich who advocated a new 9/11 investigation.

Salvatore Princiotta - 9/11 FDNY Firefighter from Ladder 9.

Ezra Harel - Chairman of the Israeli Company That Handled Security For All 9/11 Airports.

Bruce Ivins - Burce Ivins worked at the government's Fort Detrick lab on anthrax vaccines. He was questioned by the FBI during its seven-year investigation of the anthrax killings and was involved in the analysis of samples from the mailings that contained anthrax.

David Graham - Up until his death in September 2006, Dr. Graham insisted someone poisoned him two years earlier, likely with propylene glycol (anti-freeze) as he tried to publish a book. That book claimed he met two 9/11 hijackers a year before September 11th and feared the men intended to target Barksdale Air Force Base.

Philip Marshall -  Marshall was not just any 9/11 conspiracy author. A former airline pilot, Marshall was a close associate of notorious CIA drug smuggler Barry Seal, and a peripheral player in the New Orleans CIA/crime nexus that killed JFK, Martin Luther King, and many others. Madsen suggests that Marshall, a long-time participant in covert operations, developed a penchant for truth during the last years of his life. Dead in a purported murder suicide, official reports state he first shot his two children, and then the family dog before killing himself. Who shoots the family dog in a murder suicide? That sounds a lot more like a raid to me.

Prasanna Kalahasthi - A 25 year old USC dental student married to Pendyala Vamsikrishna, a Flight 11 passenger. She killed herself approximately one month after 9/11 in her Los Angeles apartment even though friends say she was ‘in good spirits and determined to finish dental school.’ Not only was this suicide shocking and difficult to understand, but the alleged victim’s husband, Pendyala Vamsikrishna of India, was never even listed on the original Flight 11 manifest, only appearing later as a passenger on a couple of conflicting unofficial lists.

Katherine Smith - She sold IDs to five of the hijackers, was “smothered with gasoline and “firebombed” in her car one day before she was scheduled to testify.

Benazir Bhutto - Bhutto may have signed her own death warrant with the famous statement (censored by the BBC) that Bin Laden was murdered by Saeed Sheikh. Her remarks pulled the rug from under Bush’s official 911 conspiracy theory.

Hunter S Thompson - He’d been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it. The night before his death, he called a friend and said:  “They’re gonna make it look like suicide, I know how these bastards think . . .”



Again this is just a short list, there are so many more people who had direct ties to the 9/11 attacks, were eye witnesses to inconsistencies in the official story, or were proponents for investigating the events who died under suspicious circumstances.

19  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 23, 2016, 05:40:32 AM

....You are oversimplifying a building that was over engineered to withstand 2000% of its own mass to the point of being asinine. How do all these thousands of supports just magically shear themselves in such precise timing that they offer zero resistance? Why would the first floor shear? There was no impact there, and any claimed fires were momentary at most.

Well, as I have already noted, we have not yet discussed the "initial cause."  EG, the first floor failing.  And I don't see any reason to consider claims for massive over engineering to be credible reasons to not explore the strength myself.

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No we don't need to look at sheer and tensile strengths of materials, because under the conditions and speed of the fall, it would appear that there is ZERO sheer strength and ZERO strength of the materials, because the building falls through them WITHOUT RESISTANCE. The ONLY WAY that happens is if they are BLOWN out of the way with explosives before the falling sections make contact. ....
..... I asked if you are good with 10 seconds plus or minus 0.8.  I'm not arguing or agreeing with some report, so there's no reason for me to go look at it.  I asked what your number was.

Give me that and I'll look at it.  
.... I already answered your question, you are just asking it again to avoid the points as usual.
I guess that means that the number to work with is 10 seconds plus or minus 0.8.


SO FOR A BILLION DOLLARS, NOBODY WOULD TALK?

Wow.  They must have been really dedicated.

So who is offering this mythical billion dollar payout? ...

Well, what do you think the underwriters for the insurance company would have paid out to have hard evidence that the loss was fraudulent?  So that they didn't have to pay out $4B?

25% isn't unusual.  Like when they pay to get stolen paintings back.

And no way I am buying an assertion that some huge conspiracy could be covered up, with these kinds of dollars at stake.  Not buying that all the conspirators got murdered either.  Looking at the history of successful and failed conspiracies and plots, that doesn't work.

The fact is you have no counter argument to the fact that the laws of physics prevents the building from falling at free fall speeds with anything other than explosives. On top of that the fact that all 3 buildings came down directly into their own footprint is again counter to Newtons 3rd law. The fact is the buildings WERE EXTREMELY OVER ENGINEERED. They were able to withstand 2000% of its own load. They did this specifically so if there was damage it would be redistributed via the other supports and NOT cause a collapse, so this fact is very relevant regardless of what you want to explore to distract from these facts and avoid this topic with more tertiary discussion.

Not 10 seconds plus or minus .8 seconds. The video analysis says 9.2 seconds. The 9/11 commission report says 10 seconds. That gives us a MAXIMUM of 10 seconds, that is unless you think the official congressional inquiry into the subject was not accurate enough for you. Nice try attempting to edge in another second to endlessly dither over, not that it would help.

Underwriters aren't bullet proof. Furthermore I already gave you examples of how this process would net FAR MORE money than 4 billion dollars by covering up criminal market activity, tax fraud, and gold rigging let alone a plethora of other scams based on this event. If your only argument is it is too much money, then that is bullshit too because various organizations easily netted TRILLIONS of dollars over this event. So you are telling me successful conspiracy plots are recorded and on the books for your convenient analysis? Please, grow a brain. Also I never said ALL of the conspirators got murdered. Most of them were probably in the military and intelligence communities and know better than to open their mouths. I don't give a fuck what you buy, I am not here to convince you. I am here to force you to dance around your bullshit and lies and demonstrate to the world what a shill you are. The laws of physics prove you wrong, I don't need your agreement.


20  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 23, 2016, 02:04:19 AM
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No we don't need to look at sheer and tensile strengths of materials, because under the conditions and speed of the fall, it would appear that there is ZERO sheer strength and ZERO strength of the materials, because the building falls through them WITHOUT RESISTANCE. The ONLY WAY that happens is if they are BLOWN out of the way with explosives before the falling sections make contact. There is nothing more to debate about it. This is check and mate. Your desire to discuss tertiary engineering issues of which none of us including you are experts is simply an act of distraction from this very salient and damning point to your bullshit narrative.

I would disagree with that.  Yes some materials can fall through others virtually without resistence under the right conditions.  Depends on several factors.  For example, if I put a 1/4" piece of steel between two vices, and hit it with a heavy axe, there is negligible slowdown of the axe going through the material because it is sheared.  If every floor individually buckled and warped and collapsed individually, that would mean that shear point had not been reached.  Possibly the first floor to collapse was a buckling and bending motion, then all subsequent floors' structural members sheared apart.

Shearing is fast; bending and buckling is slow.  Which was it?  Well, in the videos do we see slow bending and buckling?  No?  Then structural members were sheared.  But the question is how.  Explosives would have sheered them, so could have the immense weight from above falling down.  However, if the momentum of the falling structure was insufficient to create the shearing forces, then it's necessary to look for another cause.

That's why I asked if you are good with 10 seconds plus or minus 0.8.  I'm not arguing or agreeing with some report, so there's no reason for me to go look at it.  I asked what your number was.

Give me that and I'll look at it.  

Under the right conditions... you mean like if the laws of physics didn't apply? There is ONLY ONE WAY this could have happened, if the supports were COMPLETELY REMOVED. There is NO OTHER WAY that they could offer no resistance. It is physically impossible. Of course you would disagree with the laws of physics, it might hurt the narrative you are trying to shill otherwise.

You are oversimplifying a building that was over engineered to withstand 2000% of its own mass to the point of being asinine. How do all these thousands of supports just magically shear themselves in such precise timing that they offer zero resistance? Why would the first floor shear? There was no impact there, and any claimed fires were momentary at most. The first floor is the STRONGEST PART of the building. Additionally the fall is clearly initiated from the point of impact, not from the bottom, so your bullshit makes zero sense.

The weight from above COULD NOT have sheered the supports as I have demonstrated in several ways including references to the over engineering of the building, it being designed to withstand plane impacts, locations of localized damage, testimony from the actual engineers on the project, as well as the laws of physics which deem your scenario impossible under Newton's 3rd law, let alone others. Even if your ninja friends some how sheered the supports, there would STILL BE RESISTANCE if it were a collapse, slowing the momentum of the fall. You are disregarding so many laws of physics your excuses are reaching epic levels of retardation.

Of course you don't want to go look at the reports, it is much easier to feign ignorance if you don't actually look at any references. Additionally I already answered your question, you are just asking it again to avoid the points as usual.

Why didn't someone leak it?  They would have been able to negotiate a billion dollar fee.

Its called compartmentalization. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. It managed to keep the Manhattan project a secret, as well as many other sensitive operations. Then for anyone who does get a big mouth there is always a bullet to the head, and there were plenty of those going around after 9/11 for people who talked too much.

SO FOR A BILLION DOLLARS, NOBODY WOULD TALK?

Wow.  They must have been really dedicated.

So who is offering this mythical billion dollar payout? Additionally, I think you will find a bullet to the head is a lot cheaper than a billion dollars. What is a billion dollars worth if you can't live to spend it?




To everyone else here posting, I have this shill cornered with no place to go and nothing sensible to reply with. Please refrain from giving him more tertiary side issues to endlessly argue about in order to give him a platform for giving himself a pretense of pretending like he still has a leg to stand on.

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