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1  Other / Off-topic / Make a post about Badbear, suddenly lots of my posts are "off topic" on: May 21, 2015, 08:00:46 AM
Just wanted to make a note here for anyone I am in contact with.

I made this post talking about how Quickseller is likely feeding information about sold accounts to Badbear: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065045.msg11417614#msg11417614

The next day he was removed from his trust list.


Now I am making posts in the thread about the trust system changes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.msg11437948#msg11437948

suddenly I am off topic and I am getting warnings from Badbear, and he has blocked me from sending messages to him. Draw your own conclusions. Just wanted to have this recorded in case he arbitrarily decides I am too off topic to be allowed to use the forum any more.
2  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 21, 2015, 07:48:56 AM
The more you two attack one another the more time you waste which would be better spent on fixing real problems.

He offered and you offered to resolve it. Why do both of you persist in keeping it going?



If we could do away with the brinkmanship and name calling I am sure you two have an agreement already.

He stops pestering you. You remove the feedback and all is good.

Outstretched hands, shake and move on.

He hasn't offered anything but words. Now thanks to Theymo's new trust modifications, my trust of over 3 years is effectively null because of Vod's negative rating. He has the ability to remedy this situation, but refuses. His words are meaningless when he takes no action.
3  Other / Meta / Re: Minor trust score algorithm change on: May 21, 2015, 07:43:03 AM
In situations like TECSHARE's, you can (if you trust TECSHARE and disagree with Vod) post an additional positive rating responding to whatever Vod said. This will counteract Vod's negative rating.

So in effect, what you are saying is that the trust system is no longer about who trades and who is trusted with what, rather it is now about a popularity contest, and who you can convince to join your own circlejerk club. Can you explain to me why I deserve to be excluded from the entire default trust tree over one rating while Vod can negative rate me (and lots of others) without repercussion negating my entire trust over the fact that he doesn't like what I have to say about him? Every time you "improve" the trust system it becomes more and more arbitrary and able to be manipulated from the top.
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8  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 20, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
Hand outstretched simply shake and be free.

He has one hand outstretched while the other twists the knife he stuck in me. This is not the kind of freedom I am looking for.
9  Other / Meta / Re: Quickseller = BadBear, he removed his DefaultTrust on purpose on: May 20, 2015, 06:51:39 AM
I believe trust system is only designed to mark the scammer.

Part of it is trying to prevent scams before they happen, more so than just marking accounts once its happened. I've not kept up with any of the quickseller threads so no point commenting on them, but there is always going to be a limited amount of crossfire in trying to protect users. If or when that happens, it should be relatively trivial to then resolve that with evidence as long as everyone keeps their cool.

To bad there is no standard of evidence any more and instead it just becomes a popularity contest of who can build the best speculative story.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] INFINITECOIN - UPDATE TO 1.8.8 visit INFINITECOIN.COM on: May 19, 2015, 07:19:26 PM
I heard from the Developer. He said he does not have the time to dedicate to this coin. If it was just a tweak or two he would but can not commit long-term.

How much BTC are we talking to reboot this coin?

I don't think IFC needs rebooting.

You know, guys, there are people spending litterally millions US$ (see NeuCoin, Ripple, etc...) trying to create a "smarter" coin. Trying to create a coin with the best possible specs, the best possible PoS ot PoW combination in infinite variations. If you look at just this technical aspect, BTC doesn't shine that much; yet it is the most valuable coin by far.

We just cannot beat these guys at this game, and I do not think energies spent at changing the IFC fundamentals will be spent in the most valuable manner.

IFC can still win, however, because at the end of the day, the coin that will win is the coin people like; not necessarily the smartest or with the best specs. Only two criteria apply: it has to work (be secure), and people have to endorse it.

Of course I would like to see IFC go to .01$, this would be a game changer for me... and many of us reading this I am sure!

So what I suggest is we spend some daily efforts spreading IFC knowledge, and actually using it.
Technically IFC is functional, it is a fast transaction coin which is nice; the web site is also nice and professional.

1) I think our efforts would be best spent on marketing it, and spreading the good word about it. Put some for sale on craigslist, on Ebay, in a nice and professional manner.

2) Also buying some IFC regularly helps- this is important. Actually using it, tipping with it is also important; pay people with IFC when you have the chance. I have started buying a small amount of IFC everyday.

3) http://infinitecointalk.org/ which is linked from the main infinitecoin web page is down - this does not show a stable and trustworthy image. So I would put the IFC forum back online ASAP.


Unfortunately it DOES need rebooting, only not like you are thinking. In order to bring it up to current Bitcoin protocol security and other update standards we will need to completely rewrite the code and likely do a burn and exchange. I have NO plans to change the number of coins, or otherwise make other drastic fundamental changes to the protocol beyond implementing standard protocols for security. IFC has done well but it can do much better if we can find a dedicated, trustworthy developer, and funding to keep him around. I see the path to Infinitecoins success, but I can't (and won't) keep dragging this ship by myself.

I need the community to step forward and help make this happen. I know some of you are making a lot of money right now. Do you want to make a whole lot more? Set some aside and reserve it for helping move development of this coin forward, and I believe we can go way past even the tops we had before at #8 market cap. The IFC fundamentals are strong, I don't want to fix something that isn't broken. I do however know we have room for improvement, and should focus on the infrastructure of the IFC network first as always. I know everyone wants the quick shot in the arm of marketing because it sends the price up, but what goes up must come down. If the system is not secure enough or robust enough to support the traffic that marketing brings, what happens to your price then along with the entire Infinitecoin name? After all this is supposed to be a MEANS OF EXCHANGE, not a stock. In order for it to be a means of exchange it needs to function efficiently and securely.
11  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 19, 2015, 06:58:06 PM

I guess you are not ready. Too bad seems like a waste of time and effort given that you both have the same goal in mind. Ethics above all else. That is the credo you both live by and it is one that I also ascribe. Oh well enjoy your hate filled rants both of you it is most entertaining to watch all the adverbs and adjectives get used up. Eventually you will figure it out I guess.


Exactly.  Some people just like drama of conflict and get far more juice out of it than they even realize.
There can be no truce today because then it would be boring. Cheesy

Seriously? You have the nerve to say I am the one seeking drama here when that is literally all that Vod does all day? He is averaging about 5 negative trust ratings a day now. All I am seeking to do is have my trust ratings restored and or have Vod removed from the default trust list because of his abusive actions, something other members have to deal with, but not Vod for some reason. Get a life and stop being Vod's buttboy shill.

I asked if you were willing to fix the issue. Still waiting on VOD obviously.

My white flag was waved at 3am on May 17.  I've been ignoring TS from that point on.

I was, and still am, willing to remove the negative if he can show a serious commitment to stop lying.

But that's not my call - I have no control over him and his ego.

BTW, thanks for trying to help.  Smiley

It is oh so gracious of you to speak about reconciliation when you are the only one to have caused harm, and you have the ability to remove that harm. What did I do to you? I was critical of your behavior in public! Wow! How will you ever recover from that? You are a hypocrite, and this is nothing but a childish tactic to try to put me on the defensive over abuses YOU perpetrated. Its real fuckin easy to say lets all just put this behind us when you have done your damage and refuse to even fix it.
12  Other / Meta / Re: Should a new section be added for trust disputes? on: May 19, 2015, 07:59:37 AM
Hey everyone, there is a problem with trust! Instead of solving the problem, lets make a new subforum to bury the symptoms instead of focusing on the cause. Sounds like a good plan.
13  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 19, 2015, 07:54:39 AM
I didn't ask you to give me anything. I did this for you and VOD not for me.

I asked if you were willing to fix the issue. Still waiting on VOD obviously.

I guess you are not ready. Too bad seems like a waste of time and effort given that you both have the same goal in mind. Ethics above all else. That is the credo you both live by and it is one that I also ascribe. Oh well enjoy your hate filled rants both of you it is most entertaining to watch all the adverbs and adjectives get used up. Eventually you will figure it out I guess.

You did ask me to give something, you asked me to give concessions to some one who has not only perpetrated this abuse to begin with, but has refused to make any concessions of his own.

When you get Vod to take some action let me know. Until then save your friendship speech, because the whole concept is nothing but a decisive strategy for him to appear to be taking the moral high ground when he perpetrated this to begin with. He is not interested in restoring anything, he is just flapping his lips and finger tips trying to obfuscate his actions.
14  Other / Meta / Re: Quickseller using intimidation tactics to reinforce disputed trust ratings on: May 19, 2015, 07:48:20 AM
Quickseller feeds information to Badbear about who is buying and selling accounts, which usually ends up in them being banned, and the users buying even more accounts from him. Works out great for him, and just like that one coke dealer the cops let operate so he can be an informant, Badbear lets this regular and flagrant violation of the rules by Quickseller go ignored for similar reasons.

Evidence?

That would certainly KILL any sales for QS immediately don't you think?

That would be an ethical breach of trust for the seller / broker to give that information to the forum administrators without the knowledge of the buyer. Also couldn't the admins just read the PM's of name sellers to gather information like this on fraudsters and non-frausters alike?

Just speculation, especially considering Badbear is the one who added quickseller to the default trust list. But there is motive, means, and opportunity. No it wouldn't hurt his sales, because as I stated this creates a situation where MORE of a supply is needed. Scammers probably steal enough to make up for the cost anyway. Also I am sure they keep it on the downlow. They probably wait a few weeks to make it look less suspicious. Of course it is a breech of trust, but so would the admins reading pms randomly fishing for information wouldn't it? Quickseller has already demonstrated questionable morals, why put this past him?
15  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 19, 2015, 07:32:40 AM
My apologies. Let me try again.

1. Can you stop attacking VOD without any concessions for 24 hours?
2. Can VOD stop attacking you without any concessions for 24 hours?

Next.

3. VOD if he is willing to work it out with you will then remove his negative rating of you?
4. Techshare would be willing to continue a peaceful engagement with VOD.

Next as the TRUCE holds.

5. Work together to find some reasonable solutions to the default trust issues that plague the system.
6. Work together to help ameliorate the rampant scamming that continues on in these forums without attacking each other.


Aisle

An aisle is, in general, a space for walking with rows of seats on both sides or with rows of seats on one side and a wall on the other.


Reaching Across the Aisle

I don't owe any of you anything. He is in the wrong. He is the one that needs to take reconciliatory actions. [/end discussion of your little diplomatic mission]
16  Other / Meta / Re: Quickseller using intimidation tactics to reinforce disputed trust ratings on: May 19, 2015, 07:27:53 AM
Quickseller feeds information to Badbear about who is buying and selling accounts, which usually ends up in them being banned, and the users buying even more accounts from him. Works out great for him, and just like that one coke dealer the cops let operate so he can be an informant, Badbear lets this regular and flagrant violation of the rules by Quickseller go ignored for similar reasons.
17  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 19, 2015, 07:18:09 AM

Considering he is the one that has damaged my trust rating and I have done nothing more than talk about him, it is easy for him to pretend to be reconciliatory when he loses nothing.


But what if he is willing to work this out with you?

I don't see how you would be adverse to finding a solution given that you are both against people who are outright scammers am I correct?

If the only real issue is he is on list and you are not, that doesn't mean that you can't find a solution to the TRUST issues you have with each other I would hope.

Again seems to me that this forum would be best served if both of you reach across the aisle and make peace and really go after those who would are generally only here to scam others as well as fix the broken trust system.

Neither of you are here scamming anyone that I can tell, nor are you going to in my estimation so that is a common goal of this forum and the trust system essentially. It really isn't good for protracted text wars that amount to disagreement over what 'level' of trust exists in the broken system. Can you both chuck aside your negative trust ratings shake hands and work on helping clean up the forum including your well directed anger at the inadequacies of the trust system. I see a great opportunity here. Unfortunately a lot of other such problems exist where there is a level of scam going on and there is no solution / compromise if they are going to make restitution or continue to scam others. That is not the case here.

There is a consensus.

We would all agree the trust system is fubar and needs work.
We would all agree that scammers are way too prevalent in these forums and a culling is required.
We would all agree that if you two would resolve your issues, no matter who or where the fault lies, both of you would be better off and so would this forum.

How about you both agree to move forward?



If he was willing to work anything out with me he would start by removing his negative rating for me accusing me of lying about him. Even if he could prove that was true, which he can't, it is not a justifiable reason for some one on the default trust to leave a negative rating. Others have been removed for doing this just once, and for far more justifiable reasons.

What do scammers have to do with Vod damaging my reputation in an attempt to silence me speaking about his abusive behavior? It is cute how you are trying to make this sound like this is about me wanting to be on the shitty corrupt default trust list, and not about Vod repeatedly breaking rules which are enforced upon others but not him. You decide what is best for the forum now? That is interesting.

Vod doesn't want to fix the trust system, he gains control from it being broken and corrupt so he can use his "scambusting" just like another method of trust farming. In reality his standard of evidence is nonexistent, so the truth is no one really knows how many innocent people he has made to look like scammers just to make himself appear useful and collect positive trust. He is averaging about 5 negative ratings a day now. Speaking of what is best for the forum, how many honest users do you think he has driven away in his "preventive policing" inquisition to rid the forum of scammers?

Reach across the isle? What fucking isle? This is not congress and I am not running for office. I made this thread so that THE RULES WOULD BE ENFORCED, not just upon me, but also to protect me when those same rules are broken. If the rules are only for certain people, then it is just a matter of time before everything goes to shit (as we have been witnessing). If those with authority do not respect the rules, eventually no one will respect any rules. History has demonstrated this over and over again.

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Can you both chuck aside your negative trust ratings shake hands and work on helping clean up the forum including your well directed anger at the inadequacies of the trust system....How about you both agree to move forward?

Uhh, I never left Vod a negative rating... my crime was simply speaking about him in threads, and he decided this was worthy of a negative rating. Once again, it is easy for him to just say lets forget this and be pals when I have been harmed, and continue to have my reputation marked, and he has had to GASP deal with being publicly criticized. Yet still some how you have the audacity to talk to me like we are both share equal fault in this. Grow a brain and stop toadying for this loser.
18  Other / Meta / Re: Quickseller using intimidation tactics to reinforce disputed trust ratings on: May 19, 2015, 06:55:09 AM
It's one thing to neg-rep someone (since, as we all know, trust is unmoderated), but following them around and trying to intimidate people not to do business with them is a whole 'nother level.

Trust is unmoderated, unless you are on the default trust list, in which case it is, unless you are one of the special few who do not have any consequences to their actions, like everyone else does for exhibiting the very same behavior, only less often.
19  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 19, 2015, 06:41:33 AM
Olive branch number?

Seems like there is a solution.

What will it take?

Considering he is the one that has damaged my trust rating and I have done nothing more than talk about him, it is easy for him to pretend to be reconciliatory when he loses nothing. Basically this is just a strategy to make him appear to be taking the moral high ground when he was the one that perpetrated the abuse to begin with. It would be like me defacing your storefront and being like "Hey why all the hostility? Lets be pals and just forget all this!" Only people with the intellect of a child would fall for this divisive bullshit.


I think Vod has the right to leave negative feedback if he deems it appropriate. It is up to tecshare to try to convince him otherwise which seems he has been unable to successfully accomplish.  Kind of hard to persuade someone of anything while you're simultaneously attacking them.

Poor poor Vod, having to defend himself from criticism because of his out of control behavior. Vod is in his own little bubble of OCD control freak drama addiction, he couldn't be convinced with a brick to the head. He is on the default trust list, and others on the default trust list have been removed for SINGLE INCIDENTS whereas Vod has systematically repeated the same abusive behavior that others were removed for.

He claims that it is a lie that staff don't protect him, but observing his behavior and the complete lack of consequences I have far more evidence it is the truth than he does that it is a lie. Furthermore people have been removed from the default trust for leaving negative ratings for people over "lies" before multiple times, so that is not even an acceptable standard to leave a rating from someone on the default trust. Of course the rules are not for people like Vod, but only for every one else.

I think all that's been discussed before...default trust has downsides but there are positives too.  it keeps scammers out.  I think most of the time Vod is pretty accurate..I've seen him make mistakes, then again I've also seen him correct his mistakes.  frankly, I don't trust tecshare's honesty or judgment one iota, after he shilled for and defended woodcollector.  however, I'm not going to leave him negative trust for it.

Just because I didn't agree with you and Nubbin's little mob action doesn't mean I was shilling for Woodcollector. Are you here shilling for Vod? No one really cares about your opinion, because hundreds of users on this forum know I am a trustworthy and fair person, and one shitslinging baboon like you wont change that. As far as the default trust keeping scammers out, there isn't a bigger joke on the forum. If anything it gives new users a false sense of security and makes them more liable to be ripped off. Instead of getting to know their trading partners personally like people used to, they are now just reading red and green numbers which are bought and sold daily.
20  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: May 18, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
proof that you are in fact protected by the staff and other high ranking trust members.

Give the pretender act a rest Dr. Phil. You are the perpetrator here, just like Armis was, and I will do my best to make sure everyone knows you are a perpetrator and not a protector like you would love everyone to believe. The only way this will ever be resolved is with you removing your abusive rating on my trust completely or with you removed from the default trust.

Then stop lying about me?  We're going around in circles and I don't think it's useful to anyone on this forum.

If you ever overcome your personal demons and want to be my friend - send me a PM (you've never been blocked).

You'll need to keep bumping this thread yourself.  Peace brotha.   Smiley

We aren't going around in circles, YOU are. Just another one of your childish fallacies that you think makes you look clever. It is very easy to pretend to be reconciliatory while you are the only one who has caused harm. EVEN IF I WAS LYING, which I am not, that is not harm, and you can not demonstrate any harm done. People lie about each other all day on these forums. That is not grounds for leaving negative ratings from some one in the position of being on the default trust.
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