Duh, has it occurred to you that a section of steel beam is it's own ramp? Obviously not. So, 2000 kg * 162 joules = 364,000 joules required to move this beam 500 feet.
So, let me see if I understand this correctly. You've got a beam with PE = > 6 Mj and you are claiming that "High Energy Explosives" is required to supply the tiny amount of energy of 364 Kj?
If that were the case, the amount of TNT would be 2-3 ounces. I'm seriously not impressed with the utter necessity you project of explosives being "REQUIRED" here.
The numbers just don't show it. If I have missed something, please show the corrections.
So you are suggesting a steel beam slides against itself and redirects its OWN momentum? What the fuck are you even talking about?
There are several problems with your assumptions here regarding the calculations. First of all, it wasn't just single beams launched hundreds of feet, it was entire panel sections. Second, you assume the explosive force you calculated is 100% efficient as if they were shot out of a canon, and that is not how reality works in this case.
"In all there are 5,828 of these panels, each about 10 ft wide, 36 ft high, with the heaviest individual
panel weighing about 22 tons. Each panel consists of three box columns, 14 in. square, made up of plate up to 3 in. thick and, connected by 54-in, deep spandrels."
[January 1, 1970, Engineering News Record, Volume 184, Part 1, 'World's tallest towers begin to show themselves on New York City skyline', pp. 26-27]
"The perimeter structure was actually formed from pre-fabricated sections of vertical columns attached to horizontal beams (called spandrels). The prefabricated sections were about 10 feet (3 m) wide, either two or three stories high, and
weighed about 22 tons."
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https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/wtc4.htm]
You can see here an entire panel section on the roof of the winter garden approximately 600 feet away.
More evidence of high speed ejections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHnLlwqiu0ATo take such a massive object in a resting state and to accelerate it with enough velocity to move it in a ballistic trajectory 600 feet laterally within seconds
requires high explosive amounts of force.
I've ignored wind, due to this particular object's density and mass.
Of course in the real world, the object would have various motions in all six degrees of freedom. But all these can I think be ignored, because the assertion is that it's a tremendous feat to launch a multi ton beam five hundred feet.
I have shown that for the length of time for an object to fall 300 meters (7.8 seconds), this only requires 18 meters per second sideways travel to get the beam sideways 500 feet.
That's 162 joules per kg, 364Kj total, which is simply not a huge amount of energy. It's roughly the kinetic energy in a car at 30-40 miles per hour. This is eight grade stuff, guys.
Franky, after these guys lose on one point, they'll just slither to the next point on their conspiracy list. Notice that Badecker tried to slide this discussion into towers 1 and towers 2 after getting nowhere on Bldg 7?
I bet those Chinese disinformation and propaganda agents are really laughing at how quickly these guys believe anything they put on the internet.
We aren't talking about falling, we are talking about lateral motion of massive multi-ton steel panels from a full stop momentum, to hundreds of feet away in a few seconds.
I am not Badecker. You will notice I have had one point this entire time and I have stuck with it. You and your buddy Franky however are having a grand time topic sliding all over the place though in a really sad attempt to break up the cohesion of the discussion, because so far neither of you has been able to offer any kind of valid factually or scientifically based retort to this evidence.
theres a combination of many factors
by you trying to be ignorant and think im suggesting one thing. or you being ignorant thinking it should/could only be one thing is just you showing limited capacity of thought
heck .. if you ever look at things like earthquakes these dont just make things fall.. it makes things rock and get thrown across
so before you reply 'earthquake, you going with that' no im going with rocking from the crumbling movement of the floors below shifting.. as they collapse
there are many many things involved. and your fool if you just want to consider one. and deny any that just dont fit your narrative you came up with before doing independent research/understanding
the main issue and problem with conspiray people is this
1. they form an opinion before truly understanding the factors of the issues
2. they then seek out any small details that back up their opinion
3. they ignore/avoid/dismiss any info that debunks thier opinion
4. they have no interest in finding fact/truth. they just want to grab anything that adds weight to their initial thought
even if that initial thought is wrong
and finally
5. they will never admit they are wrong.. at very best they will change subject and move on. at worse they will blame others that sourced the data they grabbed
Earthquakes are in no way comparable to this event, the fact that you think they are even remotely comparable is just asinine and demonstrates your gross understanding of even the most basic physics. You will notice you aren't actually addressing any of the evidence I presented, you are just forming a list of character attacks, assumptions, and your own confirmation bias.
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