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41  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Vod - You are a dickhead on: March 23, 2015, 06:03:09 AM
What about the consequences to the owner of that MSDN Subscription?   The one the seller steals from?
And the evidence you have of illicit activity is...what exactly?
Nothing? Just your imagination now is a criminal offense?
Everyone look out, Vod might think of you doing something illegal then it is over for you!
42  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 23, 2015, 05:52:34 AM
People that sell those keys can disregard Vod's rating. If you serve people right a single rating isn't going to harm you. After all, Vod never accused those sellers saying that they were not actually providing those keys to people that paid them.

This is a hyperparanoid community, and in digital goods people are especially hesitant, and with good reason. A lot of users will simply see that red mark and move on without even clicking the trust profile. It is unfortunate that people are this superficial, but it is true.

Vod did in his ratings however-

1. Claim criminal activity when there was none
2. Claim the users were scammers, not saying they COULD be scammers. That is a big difference. Mass negatives for this in entirely inappropriate, these should at most have been neutral ratings as a warning to users with no actual customer complaints or other evidence of illicit activity. Bitcoin will never grow by driving legitimate retailers away with harassment over what is nothing more than speculation.
43  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists on: March 23, 2015, 05:30:31 AM
1) You are using "narcisism" as a sort of opportunistic disorder. You have a gripe against certain groups. You look for a way to classify them as having a disorder.

The word 'narcisism' has existed for a long time as the personification of one part of the personality. Only recently has it come to be used as a personality disorder or means to attack someone you oppose. Like some other concepts that were recently morphed into disorders, it says more about the one using the word than it does about the target.

A word should be based on a real concept. The original legend/meaning of narcisism is useful. It has meaning and value. You are trying to force the word into a narrow meaning that suits a very shortterm goal.

2) I base your narcisism on your fantasy that you are better than those you criticize. They do social justice for narcisistic reasons, you say. And your motive in criticizing their motives? Simply a lower form of narcisism.

3) You criticize me as a name caller but all I am doing is pointing out that you are a name caller.



1) I am sorry you do not share the same definition of the word that the majority of the rest of the world does, and I am glad you feel the need to tell me what I SHOULD mean when I use words. Unfortunately if you want to make your own definitions for words, you don't get to make me use them too. Also, please show me where I demonstrated I have "gripes against certain groups" (other than people on Bitcointalk). So magically by joining a group individuals don't have any responsibility any more, because to criticize their behavior is to criticize the entire ideals of the groups they choose to associate with?

2)Show me the part where I said I was better than other people. Please quote. By your logic no one can criticize anyone else ever because no one is perfect and we all have flaws. Sorry but unfortunately that is not how reality works. Also this still doesn't explain why you define me as a narcissist.

3) I never called you a name caller. I refuted your declarations and accusations and made my own observations about your need to basically take points I make and just invert them on me in a childish and refractory way with no further substance explaining your conclusions.

4) This "conversation" is going nowhere fast. Please make some sense quickly or I am just moving on to some one with a point and not just refractory shame games.
44  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists on: March 23, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
Honestly, if you think that you lack narcisism or some other vice, or if you think that you have some virtue others lack, your narcisism is raging out of control.
Please, actually read the definition of narcissism. I get the distinct feeling you don't even know what the word means and are simply using it as a refractory cudgel.

nar·cis·sism
(när′sĭ-sĭz′əm) or nar·cism (när′sĭz′əm)
n.
1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
4. The attribute of the human psyche characterized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Narcisism

I'm not really saying social justice types aren't narcvisistic, I'm just daying you are equally narcisistic. Your 'rationale' is emotive, not rational.

And what exactly do you base this declaration of my narcissism on? Your vast knowledge of me as a person? I don't think we have ever even talked before have we? Again this is just more childish refractory "no u!" type arguments without any basis in fact or even bothering to point out what exactly you find narcissistic. As far as my "rational" not being rational, so far I have posted a few sources referencing this type of behavior, and all I see from you so far is "NO U!".

You are asking me to back up my observation "with some kind of actual observation"?

Back up a minute. Do you say that you have no narcisism?

Or are you saying that when you do 'good deeds' you do not do them out of narcisism, as you say certain others do?

Remind me again when this became about me? That was not an observation, it was a declaration as if what you stated was a matter of fact. I asked you for some kind of support to this, clearly you deem your declaration to be support enough. Just because I declare some people are narcissistic does not mean I condemn the entirety of humanity as narcissistic. You seem like a contrarian reactionary with nothing but refractory statements of things you know very little about. I am willing to bet this thread hit a little too close to home for you personally and now your ego is wounded and you feel the need to attack my character in order to heal your own narcissistic wounds.



If modern America doesn't already seem nightmarish to you, I'm afraid you have some serious privilege that needs checking.
Sweet universe, please spare me from yet another white male libertarian...

So, if some one isn't already suffering a living nightmare, they clearly are part of the elite ruling class? I think you might be skipping a few levels of privilege there and assigning blame to regular people with very similar levels of privilege as yourself. If you don't like white male libertarians, perhaps you shouldn't come to places like Bitcointalk where these types congregate and then act victimized by their presence.
45  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2015, 09:13:30 PM
I know this is not yet law, but I put here to try explain why the EU is not insignificant party like TECHSHARE seems to represent.  

Why is pointing out that individual jurisdictions do not apply to most of the rest of the world mean I am saying the EU is insignificant? If they banned everything that was illegal in ANY jurisdiction anywhere in the world, there would be NOTHING HERE! The forum rules state that activities are allowed as long as they are legal in both the buyer and the seller's jurisdictions an as well as the jurisdiction under which the forum resides.

I was previously under the impression that selling these keys is against federal anti-piracy laws, however I have not been able to find anything to back this up to date. I have also been told that it is not against anti-piracy laws (also without reference).

Tell me how to reference the nonexistence of a law and I will do so.

The feedback he left doesn't misrepresent anything. It looks like a fair warning in my opinion.

Clearly he calls the activity "illegal", which it is not, and additionally he calls it a "scam" which, it may or may not be, and some of these users have been operating for over a year without issue, so this is not accurate either.

Furthermore, these aren't warnings, these are hits to their reputation. A warning would be a neutral comment so that anyone who reviews their feedback can read the potential for abuse. Unfortunately he didn't do that, he just up and decided based on his interaction with one or two key sellers that he should now go around harming the reputations of every single key seller regardless of their actual trading record and satisfaction of customers. VOD is on a power trip and simply enjoys subjugating others as much as possible. None of this was necessary or really demanded by anyone (except those leaving negative ratings).

VOD is on the default trust list and has an increased ability to harm people's reputations. He has demonstrated repeatedly that he is not willing to treat his position with respect and regularly abuses his status to harass others for his own personal satisfaction.

Yet another example of his willingness to abuse his position on the default trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.msg10848601#msg10848601
46  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists on: March 22, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
When I read this writing, I immediately was reminded of how this forum operates and the behavior of people around here operating under the self proclaimed title of "scambuster" or something similar claiming to be doing a "service for the community".  In reality they are only seeking public justification for relentlessly harassing targeted individuals so they can continue to do so without repercussion, at the expense of the entire community. Social justice warriors are active here on Bitcointalk, only here they like to call themselves "scambusters", and they are every bit as obsessive compulsive, narcissistic, and fascist. Unfortunately this is a global issue, not just effecting Bitcointalk. Real oppressors always wear the skin of a liberator, this way they can get all of the true believer's packed with cognitive dissonance to mindlessly dump hate upon targets they designate. This is a growing problem for all walks of life. Please be on the alert for this sociopathic behavior disguised as justice.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/joshua-goldberg/2014/12/when-social-justice-warriors-attack-one-tumblr-users-experience/

Randomly screaming scam in bitcointalk would, probably, get good results, the amount of scams in the bitcoin ecosystem is gigantic.

Being skeptic is a good thing!
Randomly screaming getting good results? So you are in favor of the shotgun method of scambusting? Being skeptical is a good thing, but just randomly accusing, attacking, and shaming people is not. You think it is a good idea to act like this because it MIGHT catch scammers?

What about all the honest people who were driven away by this behavior? People who wanted nothing but to help Bitcoin grow but found the level of harassment they received in this community not worth it and just left. What about the users who spend years building up a reputation just to have those years of work destroyed over some one's guess work? It is not like there is any standard of evidence maintained any more. Basically the rule is now if enough people scream that you are a scammer, you are a scammer, facts be damned. I argue that just one of these honest users lost is worse than having 5 scammers in their place. You know why? People who due due diligence in screening their trading partners don't have trouble with scammers very often. It is almost always people who get lazy, or take unnecessary risks that get ripped off. This is something individuals can work to prevent for themselves. You know what these people can't do? They can't replace the market force of having another user actively and honestly trading within the Bitcoin system. The shotgun method of scambusting is very destructive to the HONEST community as well.
47  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists on: March 22, 2015, 07:48:29 PM
Every person starts with the same basic mix of qualities, including narcisism.

Really? This sounds like something you just made up. I would love to see your sources for this conclusion, because psychologists have been studying nature vs nurture for a very long time and there still have been no definite conclusions. Good to know you know more then all of them and can make this conclusion unilaterally.

Some people use their mix, including their narcisism, to "bust scams", others use it for other things.

Do you know what the definition of narcissism is? It is by definition some one who is almost entirely self focused. People who are only aware or care about themselves don't give a shit about helping others or serving the community, they only care about the veil of legitimacy posing as a SJW provides them so they can continue to perpetrate their abuse and narcissistic feeding freely.


Hypocrisy and irony reach astounding heights when someone complains about the narcisism of social justice.


Ok. So you have presented a premise here. Would you care to back it up with some kind of actual observation or fact, or is an accusation as good as fact in your book?
48  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists on: March 22, 2015, 07:31:12 PM
You are wrong guys, social justice or social equality is not fascist, it's socialist !!

All these equality dumbasses and the stupid herd that follows them, they are all leftists. Social justice by definition is socialist, a fascist justice would be one where the big corporations would decide policies through the approval of the government, but these lefist equality groups are all leftists!

So you can correct the title of the thread, they are leftists!


You know that the nazis were socialists right? Your definition is an oversimplification at best, and confirmation bias at worst.

After the fall of the soviet union western liberalism turned inward and decided to cannibalize itself.
The cannibalism gave birth to identity politics and the current wave of SJW insanity .
This is an oversimplification. The political cannibalism you're describing is a byproduct of the capitalist system cannibalizing itself in western society for the sake of maximizing profit. We have a situation today wherein both suffering and empathy are growing by orders of magnitudes, SJWs emerge where these two forces meet. Both forces can not survive this meeting, and human empathy isn't going anywhere. Ergo, capitalism's days are numbered.

“The strategic adversary is fascism... the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, to desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us.”
― Michel Foucault

A better world awaits just over the horizon.

Yours in compassion and solidarity,

World Citizen Beliathon


So, your argument is that capitalism is flawed and socialism is not? I think you are missing the point. "Social Justice Warrior" in the context I am using it in this thread is not a state to aspire to, but a form of self serving obsessive compulsive control freak behavior veiled in a layer of superficial righteousness.

Of course every one would like there to be justice in our society, but not everyone who is a self proclaimed social justice warrior is actually fighting for justice. Many of them are simply fighting to promote their own biases and ideals under the guise of justice, which IMO is a large injustice in itself exploiting these tensions created by exploitation for narcissistic self serving purposes. In short it is just another method of exploitation that perpetuates itself by posing as a fight against injustice.
49  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SOLVED]Tomatocage - You are a on: March 22, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
I think the neighborhood scambusters are confusing a violation of a contractual agreement with criminal activity. What the OP is doing is NOT criminal activity, however he is potentially liable under a lawsuit from Microsoft for not obeying the terms of his agreement with them. Please learn the difference before you go around enforcing Microsoft contract law for them.
Don't be so obtuse. He is stealing from the college, plain and simple. It's also a violation of Federal Anti-Piracy laws.

Ok. A couple things...
1. Educational versions of software are not paid for by colleges, they are discounts offered from the manufacturer. No one is stealing from colleges.

2. It is NOT a violation of any law. Wost case it is a violation of contract law by breaking the TOS agreement with Microsoft which makes it a CIVIL matter NOT a criminal matter. If you are SO ASSURED that selling legally obtained registration keys is illegal, you should not have any trouble citing the statute under which such activities are deemed a criminal act. So far no one has actually referenced a law that applies to this.
50  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2015, 06:46:58 PM
Yes, we are doing this again. How many times will his "service" to the community be used as an excuse for his abusive behavior? Amazing how this is never a problem for Tomatocage but with VOD it is a recurring theme. He is in fact abusing his position on the default trust. He is lying claiming selling the keys is illegal, it is not. At worst it is a violation of the terms of service, NOT a criminal act. VOD simply evoked the issue of criminality in the hopes that the staff would do his extortion work for him and simply ban all the sellers for "illegal" activity.

Are there angry customers lined up complaining? No.
Is it a crime to sell them? No.

So who made VOD the moral arbiter Bitcointalk precrime sheriff?

If it is not against the forum rules, and there are no victims, what exactly is his justification for leaving negative trust ratings for any key seller he can find? Because someone could possibly maybe potentially lose their validation in the distant future? I think people paying a fraction of the retail price for these keys realize the reason the price is reduced is the increased risk of potential deactivation, and are perfectly willing to transact anyway. VOD is on the default trust list, and people on the default trust list DO IN FACT have their trust ratings moderated. As some one on the default trust, he has extra power to destroy people's reputations, and along with that comes more stringent standards for his own use of the trust system.
I do not however understand the drama here. You do realize that I could put negative trust on you, because of this post? With that I'm saying that I don't trust you, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Ironically only people who got negative trust rating complain. I'm not taking a side here, don't get me wrong. But judging from what was written (and I don't know if that's how it goes with msdn keys) he has a point at the first glance. If it is true what he says, then selling there keys is wrong and he's right to give him negative trust.

You think. You do not know, that's the problem. I've been offered stolen keys in the past at similar rates, that's the thing. To judge VOD we'd have to go on a per case basis, which would take forever. Anyhow you're pointing this out often, with a few others that come and go. If the admins see that something is wrong, they will take action. If they don't, there isn't really much you can do about it.

Is that a threat now? Very classy. "I don't understand the drama here!" (proceeds to make threats and create more drama).

I am glad to know you feel it is appropriate to abuse the trust system to harm some ones reputation because you don't like what they said. You would be saying you do not trust me, but it would still clearly be petty, retaliatory, and abusive considering we have never transacted. Tell me again how making the observation that people still want these keys makes me untrustworthy? Of course if you see the trust system as a tool of retribution, using it for punishing people who speak words you don't agree with is ok, that doesn't matter then does it?

This is just another demonstration of how no one has any respect for the trust system any more and simply uses it like a petty system of retribution for disagreeing with them in public. Feel free to join those childish ranks if you so desire. I am sure there will be lots of discussion in a place where everyone is punished for not agreeing with each other. God forbid we examine each case on a case by case basis! That might be too close to some form of justice! We can't have that now.
51  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists on: March 22, 2015, 12:01:13 PM
The modern SJW mentality is almost like it is right out of the works of Karl Marx. IMO this was always the Soviet Union's strategy for dealing with the US, rot it from within by destroying our moral fiber and national unity then by dividing us into as many splinter groups as possible so we will do nothing but fight ourselves.

That wouldn't surprise me, but have you considered the possibility that SJWs might be doing their lynch-mobbing thing as a reaction to a "justice vacuum" in capitalism?

In the extreme opposite from socialism, it's a dictatorship of the rich, powerful, and infinitely corrupt. If money can buy "justice" and might is right, then the very concept of justice has been forgotten. Since social intervention does not fit into the more idealistic versions like libertarianism, it's only natural that its "source" is blamed on something else, like Marxism. I'm sure that one of those "your logical fallacy is..." fallacies will cover blaming X (SJWs) because Y (socialism/Marxism bogeyman) looks ugly because of its other flaws.

Of course I have considered it. I am not attempting to have the Capitalist vs Communist argument, because frankly I think they are both two sides of a flawed dualist dialectic just like Republicans vs Democrats. IMO they operate as two sides to the same corrupt coin. The very way this SJW mentality thrives is on the cognitive dissonance created as the state of the environment collapses and people reject their current belief systems for a reactionary polar opposite stance, which unfortunately just feeds into the next prescribed wave of abuse of those "fresh" ideals. It dovetails in perfectly with the Hegelian dialectic: problem - reaction - solution.

Just like Republicans get elected and abuse Republican ideals, and Democrats get elected and abuse Democratic ideals, the abused Capitalist ideals will soon morph into abused Socialist ideals. All it is, is a switch up of the flavors so too many people don't realize how much shit they are eating from both sides.
52  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists on: March 22, 2015, 11:28:06 AM
There's a huge difference between people going after scammers, particularly proven scammers and these scumbags who try to justify the surpression of free speech and expression with their alternate realities. Sorry but you're creating a pretty shitty argument here and yes, I'm inclined to agree with the others. You're acting like other people who get accused and instead of ignoring bullshit accusations like an intelligent person ( At least if it's true that any of them are innocent ) you decide to escalate everything by making passive aggressive threads about it which just make you look worse.

Is there really a huge difference? Because psychologically speaking it has all the required elements for any other sort of definition of a social justice warrior. Additionally a lot of these "scambusters" actively try to suppress free speech by engaging in mob shaming and abusing the trust system to punish those who have dared to criticize their true belief of self righteousness. As far as an argument, I never really made one. I did however make an observation about the correlations between the motivation behind both types of this behavior.

Remind me again, what am I accused of? Yes, these people should just ignore the fact that they have had years long reputations ruined for no good reason. They should also just ignore the loss of sales too right? Because ignorance solves everything now doesn't it? Funny how you managed to make this discussion about me again rather than the topic at hand. I know you are fiending for some more drama to feed off of here, but please try to stick with the topic of the discussion no matter how much you just love talking about me over and over.

After the fall of the soviet union western liberalism turned inward and decided to cannibalize itself.
The cannibalism gave birth to identity politics and the current wave of SJW insanity .
The modern SJW mentality is almost like it is right out of the works of Karl Marx. IMO this was always the Soviet Union's strategy for dealing with the US, rot it from within by destroying our moral fiber and national unity then by dividing us into as many splinter groups as possible so we will do nothing but fight ourselves.
53  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2015, 11:16:23 AM
Sory for the 2nd copy-paste but this is the answer to your statement.

Quote from: Vod's Trust Feedback
This user is selling Microsoft product keys they get from MSDN subscriptions. This is not allowed. Microsoft does not sell product keys without Certificate of Authenticity.

All it will take is a single person to report his illegal purchase of a Microsoft key (even someone who intentionally buys just to report), then Microsoft can trace it back to the original MSDN subscription that generated that key.

ALL keys generated from that MSDN account will then become invalidated (i.e. stop working) and FuckIdolPlus will NOT give you your money back.

This is a scam. Do not purchase keys from this account!


The bottom line, if you want to become a reseller, you need to become a Microsoft Partner who resells the entire package, not just product keys.
 =snip=
you bought an MSDN licensed key, which carries up to 10 activations unlike full packaged retail licenses which only carry 1 activation. The person who sold it to you probably sold it to 10 other persons. Somewhere along the way, one of those persons might have installed it on a second system, activated it, because it went past 10 activation threshold, Microsoft detected it that it was being abused and blocked the key from further use.
=snip=

Edit: Second last line might not be appropriate though.

So VOD can see the future now? He KNOWS that the keys will be revoked (even though there are no customers complaining). Also apparently he KNOWS that this user will not reimburse his customers with a replacement or a refund some how. Did some one steal VOD out of the precog tank from minority report?

To OP, this is an issue about ethical, in Most of the countries , a pirated version is actually being use as the "legal" version, vod thinks this is illegal thus according to what cakir found, even Microsoft isnt really care about this pirated version, so if you could present a solid evidence like this , vod will be willing to remove the negative trust
Only, he is not willing to do this in spite of the fact that it is not illegal.
54  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2015, 11:07:53 AM
Is "some jurisdictions" such as Italy the entire world? Is the seller based in one of these countries? Is the forum hosted in one of those countries? Are customers from those countries even trading with him? No? You don't know? In that case NOTHING HE IS DOING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.

I have no idea about the legal situation, however I would like to remind OP that Microsoft is the largest company to accept Bitcoin for some of their products and you are not doing them a favour by selling MSDN. I care a lot less about him violating the ToS of companies that are unwilling to do Bitcoin stuff.

Are you really crying a sob story for Microsoft? REALLY? If you think Microsoft gives two shits about you or Bitcoin, beyond profit motive, you are sorely mistaken.

Oh my GOD, another thread about the trust system. This is really insane, I don't think Vod has abused the trust system but his negative trust is not necessary because legality and illegality is an abstract concept here in the forum. We do not know in which jurisdiction is based the seller and ours are only supposition.

However OP you should try to talk with Vod, only he can remove the negative trust and if he abused it then he will be removed from the trust system as few other users.

Good luck with your battle (that was only my personal opinion, and we are in a free forum with right & clear rules).

Yes, yes, it is always insane, of course until it is you personally who have to deal with it. Then it is a travesty that must be corrected. It is way to easy to dismiss people from the sidelines when it has zero direct effect on you. BTW, the rules aren't so clear, especially relating to the trust system. In fact there are no official rules posted anywhere on the forum. This makes it much easier for those in charge to say "do as I say, not as I do", but then unfortunately leaves the rest of the forum guessing as to what is ok and looking to bad examples like VOD for an answer to what is acceptable behavior.
55  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
I don't left you a -ve trust feedback myself, since i didn't notice early your thread; however, I have to correct you since in some jurisdiction - like e.g. Italy - buying & selling w/o COAs and/or using SWs with such Keys on computers is illegal and dealt with huge administrative fines; however, often in some bigger cases, a felony charge is brought to courts.

Is "some jurisdictions" such as Italy the entire world? Is the seller based in one of these countries? Is the forum hosted in one of those countries? Are customers from those countries even trading with him? No? You don't know? In that case NOTHING HE IS DOING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES. In the VAST MAJORITY of the world this is NOT A CRIME but simply a violation of the terms of service. This forum is shifting from anarcho-capitalist to fascist pretty quickly now entering into the realm of telling people what they can and can't do with completely arbitrary moral justifications. Before you know it VOD will be personally enforcing AML and KYC regulations on the forum, and anyone who doesn't comply is a DIRTY SCAMMER!
56  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2015, 10:49:37 AM
He ignited the fire and VOD became the gust of wind, spreading it.

Sure sounds like VOD to me.

57  Other / Meta / Re: Remove VOD from the Default Trust List - clear case of neg for calling out abuse on: March 22, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

I can't say anything about your situation, only my personal opinion:

The trust system in these last month was ruined by a lot of members and I hope that in the new forum software it will be a new trust system. The feedback should be sent only if there is a valid reference and proofs.

I will remove Vod from my trust list, because I don't trust his feedback (negative, positive or neutral) and you should do the same. Build your trust list, who cares?

I agree, the trust system is very poorly managed and has become a complete mess. I am not holding my breath for new forum software, it has been a couple years already since that was promised. I appreciate you taking action on your own trust list, and thank you for reviewing this situation critically and without bias. I have already edited my trust list accordingly. People care because, as traders, what our trust rating appears like to users on the default trust list has direct and massive effects on our ability to trade. Additionally I worked my ass off over 3 years to build an impeccable trading reputation here, back when Bitcoin was still nothing but a joke and everything was always an uphill battle, just to have some out of control, self proclaimed scambuster crap all over it because he doesn't like that I point out his abusive behavior. I just don't find this acceptable by any standards.

This forum is so chocked full of paranoia, users will often walk away at any negative rating without even reviewing it, just looking at the red and green numbers, then trade with some one else. It seems superficial, but traders examination of their prospective trading partners are unfortunately often very superficial if not uninformed. VOD occupies a position of authority in the default trust system, which he regularly abuses, and that harms all of us. He needs to be removed from the default trust.
58  Other / Meta / Re: VOD - Abusing Trust System on: March 22, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
Are we going to do this again? People, uh.
No he is not abusing anything. This being legal or not, he has the right to leave negative feedback if he sees it fit. He's actually one of the rare members that helps identify scammers and whatnot.

Theymos nor anyone from the stuff does not moderate the trust system. If you've sent him a PM because of this, no wonder that you got no reply. Anyhow when sending him a message, it takes a long time for a reply to come, if ever.

Yes, we are doing this again. How many times will his "service" to the community be used as an excuse for his abusive behavior? Amazing how this is never a problem for Tomatocage but with VOD it is a recurring theme. He is in fact abusing his position on the default trust. He is lying claiming selling the keys is illegal, it is not. At worst it is a violation of the terms of service, NOT a criminal act. VOD simply evoked the issue of criminality in the hopes that the staff would do his extortion work for him and simply ban all the sellers for "illegal" activity.

Are there angry customers lined up complaining? No.
Is it a crime to sell them? No.

So who made VOD the moral arbiter Bitcointalk precrime sheriff?

If it is not against the forum rules, and there are no victims, what exactly is his justification for leaving negative trust ratings for any key seller he can find? Because someone could possibly maybe potentially lose their validation in the distant future? I think people paying a fraction of the retail price for these keys realize the reason the price is reduced is the increased risk of potential deactivation, and are perfectly willing to transact anyway. VOD is on the default trust list, and people on the default trust list DO IN FACT have their trust ratings moderated. As some one on the default trust, he has extra power to destroy people's reputations, and along with that comes more stringent standards for his own use of the trust system.
59  Other / Meta / Re: Remove VOD from the Default Trust List - clear case of neg for calling out abuse on: March 22, 2015, 10:14:31 AM
He hasn't been active on the forums yet for even a month and he is back at it again trying to silence people from discussing his abusive behavior by using his position on the default trust. He has taken the originally negative rating which he left me before, which he then changed to a neutral after public pressure in order to keep himself on the default trust, and now he has replaced it as a negative yet again.

Some how in VODs mind repeated default trust abuse is ok, as long as you change your rating to neutral for a while until everyone forgets, then you can go back to abusing your position to attempt to settle personal vendettas. How many times is VOD going to be allowed to do this before he is removed from the default trust list?

Vod 2015-03-22       0.00000000      
"Constantly posts lies about me in an effort to have me removed from the default trust list. Honest discussion is one thing, but he just posts BS with absolutely no basis. Not trustworthy. "

Notice there is no reference, and when asked what supposed lie of mine he is referencing, he can't produce it.
60  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Person Putting “Whites Only” Stickers Around Austin Turns Out to be Liberal SJW on: March 22, 2015, 09:10:32 AM
The real question is, can a man with such a large eagle tattoo on his chest be wrong?
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