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Other / Meta / Re: What will happen with deceased DT members' feedback?
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on: April 09, 2019, 11:49:03 PM
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You are asking the wrong question. The question you need to be asking is why is he so special that the standards we all agree are there for a reason should be deviated from just to selectively suit this single user? What precedent does this set?
The precedent is that the person who left him the negative trust is dead. So it's not possible to have it removed in the normal and established way. Furthermore, I already presented the posting from Zepher himself that made it clear that he would remove the negative trust once the account was recovered. Shouldn't someone carry out his intentions for him, since he is now dead? Who decides who is special enough to get this extra effort? Yeah I wish he could be completely restored, but I also think it would be a net negative if a precedent of meddling in trust ratings is set for any reason as it degrades the reliability of the entire system.
Theymos or Cyrus gets to decide. You need to make a choice between leaving him a counter positive and leaving him to deal with the minor setback, or making efforts to remove Zepher from the default trust instead of collectivizing the loss.
I already left him a counter positive and do not have Zepher on my trust list. What additional efforts can little old me do? I only have control over my own trust list. It's up to the 19 DT1 members and 30 other members on whether they want Zepher on their trust list or not. Also, I really don't see what the "loss" is for the forum? All I see is a fine tuning of the rules to account for cases when the person who leaves trust is now dead, and cannot modify it themselves. (And since Zepher already posted that he would remove the negative trust once the account was recovered, I really do not see the "loss" for the forum of carrying out the intentions of the dead.) Edit: Just for reference, here is Zepher's post again. I don't see how this is such an issue for having theymos carry out what Zepher stated that he was going to do. Signed messages are valid.
@OP - I have tagged your account with a temporary negative rating until such time as you regain access to it.
Once you do, shoot me a PM from both this account, the hacked account, along with a link to this thread, and I will happily remove the rating.
Cheers
The precedent would be that it is now ok for the administration to change trust ratings. Of course Theymos/Cyrus get to decide, that is not the question, the question is why should they break the current precedent of NOT moderating trust ratings to suit a single user? The cost is that now moderating trust ratings will be an accepted thing, opening the door for manipulation and abuse by the staff. Even if they are not actively abusing their positions, this still necessitates a position where they have to pick and choose when to intervene, meaning some people will get this special privilege, and some will not, automatically creating an imbalance in the trust system as far as equitable treatment under it. SwingFirst fucked up by not securing his account properly, he should bear the cost, not the entire community in the form of debasing the reputability of the entire trust system even more than it already is.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists" Should we say that?
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on: April 09, 2019, 11:34:49 PM
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Hey Mister "I know everything", Did you see the video ? (I did, not even 2h after the incident and before all editing). Haven't you heard the Salam greeting the doorman said the the attacker ?
Not on the right ? Have you not looked on the internet ? This week it was proven that the attacker sent money to "generation identité" not once but twice, this is a neo-nazy Austrian association. He sent money to the French and Austrian counterpart. And not small amounts. Everything is in the media (all kind of media). Strange no for someone not on the far right ?
I concede that the scaling is not the best to compare Muslim and Christians. Anyway a terrorist attack killing 50 in a country with 5 millions people is far more a tragedy than in a larger country (for this specific country). Human life have the same value everywhere in the world, but country population isn't the same. If you want to compare apple with apple, a scaling has to be made.
If you scale with car accidents. NZ : 377 road death in 2018 -> terrorist attack (50 killed) represent 13% of road deaths. USA : 37 000 deaths in 2016 -> scaling would mean 4800 terrorist casualties
I read his manifesto within hours of the attack (before any editing), he is a white supremacist and even though he doesn't identify himself as a christian, he is one. Period.
Are you butt-hurt because you are white and for once the terrorist is white ? Then, take a breath, do some yoga and stop calling everyone of color a terrorist I watched the video, yes, and I even double checked before posting just to make sure. The men in the doorway were not even facing him when they were talking to EACH OTHER. His manifesto also explicitly says he hopes consertvatism is dead and that he doesn't really identify with the right or the left. He also called himself an "eco-fascist" and said he most identifies with the government of China. Proclaiming he is on the right is just a convenient slander to drive political motives of your choice and has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. By your own logic I could say he is on the left because he identifies with Communist China, but I know that this is just as dumb as placing him as identifying with the right, because he EXPLICITLY SAID he does not identify as either right or left in his manifesto. You are just cherry picking the parts that serve your own bias. Additionally your assertion that he is a Christian is 1000% pulled directly from your ass. I haven't made a single comment about the race of anyone here in this thread, so you can shove your accusations of racism right back up your ass from where you pulled it. Islam is not a race it is a religion and a political system.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is it. This is the watershed event for decentralized social media
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on: April 09, 2019, 11:26:09 PM
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i also saw that pewdiepie video , hope this site blows up! But how is it going to give google a run for it's money , it's "just" a livestreaming site and How much do you think did they have to pay pewdiepie to promote the site? Googlag is already cutting its own throat, and by that I mean specifically YouTube. He is simply taking advantage of existing trends and moving on to the next best thing. I am not sure if he is even being paid as he has a lot of incentive to move just for YouTube policy and censorship reasons, but who knows, I wouldn't be surprised either way. The reason I think this is huge is because the main drawback of these platforms as they exist is the lack of a user base, and PewDiePie is essentially the most famous man that ever lived, and he commands an army of 9 year olds. This is a big deal towards creating an environment of mass adoption of these technologies.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reee: On the importance for nazis, commies and all extremists to stop fighting
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on: April 09, 2019, 11:21:18 PM
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In order for you argument to be valid, taxation would have to be exclusive to Capitalism. Unfortunately for your argument Socialism/Communism either tax you EVEN MORE heavily, or strip your right to private property at all. Kind of hard to take the family farm when it already belongs to dear leader right?
Fair enough, It's a valid point that inheritance tax is not exclusive to capitalism, although it was the corporate buyout that seemed more in line with capitalism. Also, I find it very interesting that you are using the very argument I am using to argue against Socialism/Communism within our capitalist system to blame Capitalism when my entire point was that it is a policy directly from The 10 Planks of Communism to remove inheritance rights. Under Capitalism that was not infected with Communism, there would be no inheritance tax because that income has already been taxed multiple times.
Gotta disagree on this one. If inheritance tax was a symptom of capitalism infected with communism, how did England introduce "death duty" (a form of early inheritance tax) before 1700, long before communism was thought up? You see Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate, but Capitalism does not require Communism to operate, as a result Communism will always appear within Capitalist systems, not independently of them. Of course this makes convenient fodder for simple minded folk to create this weird cognitive defect of binary choice which makes it easier to superficially make it appear their projections make sense.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, surely the USSR and the China Republic were communist countries independent of capitalism, at least at the beginning? I never claimed inheritance tax was EXCLUSIVE to Communism, I just stated that removal of inheritance rights is one of the 10 planks of Communism to prove the point that a lot of Communist aligned policies are already in use today. The USSR and China were by no means independent of Capitalism, at any point. It is a fact Marxism/Socialism/Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to exist, this was even in Marx's original writings if I remember correctly. Think about it for a minute. Even if those nations were 100% Communist, they still were operating within the default world order of Capitalism.
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Economy / Collectibles / Re: [WANT TO FIND] Missing Fattcatt Auction PICS INSIDE HAVE A LOOK
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on: April 09, 2019, 10:38:41 PM
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To be fair, his second auction (the one in OP pic) does state that he reserves the right to cancel the auction at any time for any reason.
End of discussion. Is this shitty? Absolutely. Did you all agree to it by participating anyway? Absolutely. Solution? Simply don't transact with the user any more. If contracts don't protect even the shittiest among us, they protect none of us.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists" Should we say that?
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on: April 09, 2019, 10:17:07 PM
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In my country (New Zealand), the only terrorist attack we ever had was perpetrated by a white christian against the Muslim population. This is the only terrorist act ever recorded in NZ. The terrorist killed 50 people this represent 0.1% of the whole Muslim population of the country. Or 0.001% of the country's population. It is estimated that 600 personnes have been affected by this attack (50 dead - 50 wounded and 500 family members of those 100 persons)
So if you like stats : In New Zealand, 100% of the terrorists attacks have been committed by Christians That Christian terrorist killed 50/ 5 000 000 of the country population = 0.001%
If you scale it to the USA : It is the same as a potential attack against Christians killing 240 000 Christians (0.1% of the 240 million Christians in US) Or a terrorist attack killing 3270 Americans (regardless of the religion), wounding the same amount and affecting 39 000 persons (family members)
Oh by the way, the terrorist was greeted by his first victim with "Peace upon you brother" just seconds before being killed.
So who do you call terrorist ?
He was not a Christian, that is absolute horse shit. He didn't even identify as one. He didn't identify as being on the right either. Too bad you live in a totalitarian nation which prevents you from looking for yourself, and instead you are forced to swallow whatever turds they choose to force feed you. Also your little scaling game is beyond retarded, by that same logic we could declare Muslims responsible for BILLIONS of deaths. Your shitty movie script version where the victim said "peace be upon you brother" never fucking happened. You know how I know this? I don't live in a totalitarian nation, and we have freedom of speech, which means I am free to actually see what happened unedited with my own eyes.
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Other / Meta / Re: What will happen with deceased DT members' feedback?
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on: April 09, 2019, 10:06:16 PM
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Not fair according to who? Why is it the entire community now has to suffer a potential exploit because this individual user did not secure their account correctly? Yes it sucks, but if there are not standards then it is a continual never ending slow creep toward abuse. SwingFast made a mistake, they should bear the responsibility for it, not pass it on to the community as a whole.
If this was a normal case, everyone who had left the negative rating for the account being hacked would have removed the negative rating because it no longer applies. However, Zepher is dead, so that is just not possible at all. Sure SwingFirst's probably made a small mistake, but why should he not be restored to whole while someone else who made similar mistakes gets to get their account made whole. It isn't SwingFirst's fault that Zepher died. SwingFirst's getting restored back to whole as much as possible is the very definition of "fair." Personally, I don't have Zepher on my trust list. However, I'm not going to ask 19 DT1 members to remove him either. You are asking the wrong question. The question you need to be asking is why is he so special that the standards we all agree are there for a reason should be deviated from just to selectively suit this single user? What precedent does this set? Who decides who is special enough to get this extra effort? Yeah I wish he could be completely restored, but I also think it would be a net negative if a precedent of meddling in trust ratings is set for any reason as it degrades the reliability of the entire system. You need to make a choice between leaving him a counter positive and leaving him to deal with the minor setback, or making efforts to remove Zepher from the default trust instead of collectivizing the loss.
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Other / Meta / Re: What will happen with deceased DT members' feedback?
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on: April 09, 2019, 06:45:00 PM
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However my opinion is they should not be in the DT network and if they have left other good/accurate ratings, then others can review the ratings and echo them if they feel it is appropriate. This is also a viable solution to this issue without playing the game of moderating trust ratings from the top down.
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Other / Meta / Re: What will happen with deceased DT members' feedback?
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on: April 09, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
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In my opinion changing ratings for inactive accounts is a rabbit hole we do not want to go down and will inevitably create more avenues for manipulation and abuse. I think that if a user is trusted, they should appeal to other users to leave them positive ratings to counteract the negative rating, specifically noting the situation at hand with a referenced thread. This should rectify the situation to a large degree.
Unfortunately, the way that the trust score is tabulated, it is not fair to SwingFirst. He has 3 positive comments, followed by Zepher's negative, followed by Jet Cash's and my counter trust. SwingFast's current score is 1 when it should be 30. This is an exception case; however, since we know Zepher is dead and Zepher made it clear what his intentions were in a post when he left the negative rating. What makes it worse is that each unique positive rating that SwingFirst receives from now on will only add 1 point to his trust score instead of slowly counting up to 10 points toward his trust score. Not fair according to who? Why is it the entire community now has to suffer a potential exploit because this individual user did not secure their account correctly? Yes it sucks, but if there are not standards then it is a continual never ending slow creep toward abuse. SwingFast made a mistake, they should bear the responsibility for it, not pass it on to the community as a whole.
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Other / Meta / Re: What will happen with deceased DT members' feedback?
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on: April 09, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
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In my opinion changing ratings for inactive accounts is a rabbit hole we do not want to go down and will inevitably create more avenues for manipulation and abuse. I think that if a user is trusted, they should appeal to other users to leave them positive ratings to counteract the negative rating, specifically noting the situation at hand with a referenced thread. This should rectify the situation to a large degree.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Psychology Lesson For The Left
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on: April 09, 2019, 04:38:21 PM
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Brought to you by the guy who says psychology is barely science
Best possible answer. Funny how this asshole has the most incredible double standards I've ever seen. When it's him one source is enough whatever the source can be, statements can be vague as fuck (if you don't understand that's your fault for being stupid) and psychology is a science. When it's you, you need 5 different sources approved by him, statements must be exhaustive and precise as fuck and psychology and sociology are leftist sciences made to take the money from the people to fund useless studies. But of course, we're the ones in need for a lesson xD edit: don't forget that he has THE definition of what a science is and that HIS definition is the best cause, like his god, he knows the best words and has the best knowledge and he knows all the words trust him. Except the difference is I actually read the presented sources and tell you why they are invalid. You just say Dumb statement. declare yourself correct, and move on. Why should I keep providing sources if you don't even make logical arguments against them, let alone read them? No, I just know enough about the scientific method to know that psychology doesn't really meet standards such as empirical data, observable results, control groups, or the ability to be replicated. Here are a few more sources for you not to read, pretend you did, then deny the logic of: https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/11/why_psychology_and_statistics_are_not_science.htmlhttps://www.simplypsychology.org/science-psychology.htmlhttps://philosophynow.org/issues/74/Is_Psychology_ScienceI'm struggling to understand how you think these disorders are linked with the left wing and not just society in general. I would associate Narcissism with capitalism in terms of being materialistic for a start. It just seems like you are very biased against the left if I'm honest.
These aren't issues exclusively for the left, but they are however FAR more prevalent on the left, as for example Marxism utilizes them directly as tools to fuel its growth. Marxism not only takes advantage of a lot of these conditions, it also cultivates them actively. I am absolutely bias against the left, that however doesn't mean I am wrong.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reee: On the importance for nazis, commies and all extremists to stop fighting
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on: April 09, 2019, 04:10:46 PM
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[waves magic stupid wand and makes all the facts and logical arguments go away] See I can speak for you too. Just because you don't like what I present to you doesn't make it illogical or not factual. Interestingly, Your example of a family losing it's inheritance due to being unable to pay the inheritance tax, and then a corporation taking over is a symptom of capitalism rather than communism. Under Capitalism, it would be the family's responsibility to have the money to pay the tax and if they didn't it's just tough luck right?
In order for you argument to be valid, taxation would have to be exclusive to Capitalism. Unfortunately for your argument Socialism/Communism either tax you EVEN MORE heavily, or strip your right to private property at all. Kind of hard to take the family farm when it already belongs to dear leader right? Also, I find it very interesting that you are using the very argument I am using to argue against Socialism/Communism within our capitalist system to blame Capitalism when my entire point was that it is a policy directly from The 10 Planks of Communism to remove inheritance rights. Under Capitalism that was not infected with Communism, there would be no inheritance tax because that income has already been taxed multiple times. You see Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate, but Capitalism does not require Communism to operate, as a result Communism will always appear within Capitalist systems, not independently of them. Of course this makes convenient fodder for simple minded folk to create this weird cognitive defect of binary choice which makes it easier to superficially make it appear their projections make sense.
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Other / Politics & Society / Reee: On the importance for nazis, commies and all extremists to stop fighting
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on: April 09, 2019, 08:46:43 AM
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Once again, because some people can not tolerate open free discussion and must resort to closing threads to get the last word I have opened this one to continue the discussion. This is a continuation of this thread. Dumb statement. I close the thread cause I can't just let you roam saying bullshit like this and trying to discuss with you is useless. You're not only stupid but also extremely agressive and your lack of logic is horrible. You don't care about facts, you just spend your time insulting and spitting whatever nonsense you wish. Someone dumb enough to say that an inheritance tax of 20% is "abrogation of inheritance right" shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's your reply to an entire article? "Dumb statement." The usual quality critical thought I expect from mOgliE. You know, really stupid people often think people smarter than them are dumb because they simply don't have the capacity to understand the ideas they present, but that's not you right? Clearly not, based on the quality of your retort. Your preferred interpretation of my own points doesn't magically make them factual or logic based because it is the interpretation that best suits your bias. Literally no where in my statement or in my source was "abrogation of inheritance right" ever stated. You preach to me about not caring about facts while you create strawman after strawman and try to will them into fact-hood by brute force of repetition. I am extremely aggressive and insulting because I know it wears you down, which unfortunately is my last resort when communicating with some one who is as much of a disingenuous, misinformed, and willfully ignorant true believer of a very dangerous ideology such as yourself. The fact that you feel the need to prevent me from replying is just more evidence of your own inability to present a factual argument stronger than a wet paper bag. You want to create unity among conflicting ideologies? Start by examining your own. I have. In fact I was firmly within your realm of the political spectrum at one point until I did. You don't just get to demand everyone else compromise while you make no efforts of your own to do so. Now its your turn, or you could just remain convinced you have nothing to learn and continue as you have been, and I will keep grinding you down in any way I can, because people like you are dangerous. At least if I hold my hand on your forehead while you try to swing at me wildly, there will be that much less energy available for you to spread your cancerous ideology, your failure also serving as a great example for anyone considering Communism as a viable belief system.
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Other / Meta / Re: QS Merit Source Application
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on: April 09, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
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I have a fun suggestion. How about Quickseller agrees that if he is caught using his merit to rank up his own alts, he agrees to be permanently banned from the forum. This is a win win for everyone guys.
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Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes
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on: April 09, 2019, 07:50:03 AM
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more duplicitous weaseling Evidence, you mean like a very well respected member of the default trust list testifying to the fact kind of evidence? Nah, this is exactly what you are doing, this is your modus operandi to a T. So your argument is unless I retroactively change this one whole rating from like 5 years ago against some one who is inactive and was running a fake charity, I am a hypocrite and should stop speaking out about people shotgunning dozens of negative ratings a day like it is a game they are trying to rank up in? Give me a break, no one that used this as an excuse to demonize me ever gave a fuck about Armis or my rating, it was simply a convenient way to penalize me for speaking up because they felt it made them look bad because I dared to question dear leader and was exposing their own double standards. This was always about coercing my submission, not about standards. Except you aren't changing your behavior, you are engaging in the same disingenuous manipulative bullshit you always have, just at a lower volume.
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