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101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 11:06:13 PM

+1.

But why feel bad? I made like 22,000mBTC trading today. It is not much, but a decent daytrade with little risk. It is not 15,000% of my stash compounded over 4 months like some here seem to have made. But it's something. And I have more fiat and more bitcoins than 12 hours ago. That feels good.

You mean you didn't turn BTC7 into BTC300? Pfft. This forum lead me to believe that increasing your BTC holdings by 43x was standard and even an idiot could do it.
102  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Chinese are waking on: December 06, 2013, 11:03:19 PM
The Chinese bank news the other day happened while they were just going to sleep. THere would've been lots of them who didn't find out until they woke up the following day.

There was a small dip at about 9am China time which was quickly bought back up again. It barely even registered on the graph.

I think the same will happen this time. The market has shown that there's strong support at $900. Any Chinese who want to sell will be met by these buyers.
103  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 10:06:35 PM
Lol @ The bug at MTGox hasn't "saved" the crash. WTF. Having an insecure big exchange will lead to a lower overall price. So we'd be higher now without Gox' fuck up.

+1

It looks a scarily immature system for anyone to feel secure in investing in, if the 'major' and best known exchange is not remotely reliable

And yet people had (still have?) it in their head that we'll hit $10k next year.

Yeah, I can really see multi billionaires putting their money into Bitcoin when the largest exchange implodes for no significant reason.

Hahaha, do you really think "multi billionaires" buy in Gox just like regular folks ??

Um, did you even read my post? Where did I say, or even imply, that they do?
104  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 09:41:30 PM
Lol @ The bug at MTGox hasn't "saved" the crash. WTF. Having an insecure big exchange will lead to a lower overall price. So we'd be higher now without Gox' fuck up.

+1

It looks a scarily immature system for anyone to feel secure in investing in, if the 'major' and best known exchange is not remotely reliable

And yet people had (still have?) it in their head that we'll hit $10k next year.

Yeah, I can really see multi billionaires putting their money into Bitcoin when the largest exchange implodes for no significant reason.
105  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 09:16:05 PM
Massive dump incoming, price is stabilizing and no buyers...

If I had money ready to go I'd be buying at this price.
106  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2013, 08:31:58 PM
So I just woke up, checked my phone, and saw Gox at $830 while stuck in a loop.

Why couldn't I just sleep another couple of hours and wake up after it had finished.
107  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Recovery actions for stolen Bitcoin on: December 06, 2013, 08:37:58 AM

If stealing the coins are not illegal, then getting them back is also not illegal. This hacking / stealing issue is scaring a way a lot of noobs from Bitcoin. In fact, I'd say that if not for the thieves, the market cap of BTC could have easily crossed 30 billion USD by now.

The thief is probably in a different country to you. Just because their laws may not necessarily stop them hacking into your computer (or maybe their law enforcement is too lazy to do something about it), doesn't mean the same applies in your country.
108  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Satoshi's paper was submitted in academia would it earn a Masters or PhD? on: December 06, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Sadly that is true. A Ph.D thesis should have a minimum of 200-300 pages.

This is why I hate academia. It's based on rubbish like how many references your paper gets, or how big your vocabulary is. Not so much the actual idea you're writing about. Sometimes I read an entire page which could be summarised in one sentence without losing any content at all.

Source: I work with academics/researchers and see this every single day.
109  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 11:26:11 AM
Almost bed time. I will sleep soundly knowing that we'll be back up near the ATH when I wake up.
110  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 10:31:42 AM
Gox $1000. Show's over, move along everybody.
111  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
It's funny how emotional people get when they panic sold and need to buy back in.

OMG CRASHING TO $0.01 SELL NOW QUICK CHINA BAN ALL GO TO JAIL FOR ILLEGAL CHINESE BAN GOVERNMENT!!~one
112  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 09:56:16 AM

Now look how everyone will try to downplay BTCChina's role.

Thanks for the intellectual rebuttal to my argument.
113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 09:51:09 AM
Does this mean that Chinese will have a hard time buying bitcoins since there banks may not want to allow transfers to bitcoin exchanges?

I'm a bit confused over this statement since just a few weeks ago a representative from the central bank of China came out with positive signals on bitcoin.

Exactly, china accounts for over 50% of BTC volume, this will deal a huge blow to long term potential of bitcoin. Get out while you still can

No, BTCChina accounts for over 50% of total volume, but since they have 0% trading fees, lots of foreign users try to increase their bitcoin holdings there. So not all the coins bought on BTCChina are bought by chinese people.

What does volume refer to? Deposits/withdrawals or also trades between people?

Obviously no trading fees would massively inflate the number of trades too. Even if you sell at 6000 and buy at 5999.99 you've still made a profit, so there's much more incentive to day trade.

trading volume usually is the amount of coins traded between traders. so if you sell 100 BTC to some other guy, the trading volume is increased by 100 BTC.

Ok, that's what I thought. So it's kinda false when people say that BTCChina has 66% of the entire market or whatever. With zero fees I could trade 1000 BTC back and forwards to my friend (or even myself) for the exact same price over and over, and end up making the volume for that day 1,000,000,000 BTC.
114  Economy / Speculation / Re: Breaking News: China Central Bank Officially Warns against Bitcoin on: December 05, 2013, 09:48:15 AM
Saying that bitcoins can not be used as currency completely destroys the intrinsic value of bitcoin.

Do you know what the word intrinsic means?

That's a rhetoric question.
115  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 09:45:16 AM
Does this mean that Chinese will have a hard time buying bitcoins since there banks may not want to allow transfers to bitcoin exchanges?

I'm a bit confused over this statement since just a few weeks ago a representative from the central bank of China came out with positive signals on bitcoin.

Exactly, china accounts for over 50% of BTC volume, this will deal a huge blow to long term potential of bitcoin. Get out while you still can

No, BTCChina accounts for over 50% of total volume, but since they have 0% trading fees, lots of foreign users try to increase their bitcoin holdings there. So not all the coins bought on BTCChina are bought by chinese people.

What does volume refer to? Deposits/withdrawals or also trades between people?

Obviously no trading fees would massively inflate the number of trades too. Even if you sell at 6000 and buy at 5999.99 you've still made a profit, so there's much more incentive to day trade.
116  Economy / Speculation / Re: Breaking News: China Central Bank Officially Warns against Bitcoin on: December 05, 2013, 09:39:58 AM
my reaction, in order:

1: ouch, this hurts  Shocked
2: cheap chinese coins coming...
3: this will be the biggest tree shake ever
4: oh shit, what if the chinese really drag the market down underground?

5: Carry on, nothing more to see here
117  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 09:37:19 AM
BitcoinWisdom and Bitcoinity are not showing the real price at BTCChina. Real price now is 5900. http://bitcointicker.co/# this might work.

Nice! I've never seen that one before.

Gox is on the way back up. $1100 and rising.
118  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 09:30:36 AM
So, uh, what's the price right now? Bitcoinwisdom and bitcoinity are both having issues for me.

I logged into BTCChina and it says exactly 6000 CNY.
119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Breaking News: China Central Bank Officially Warns against Bitcoin on: December 05, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
Lol, if I was a journalist, I'd write a made up story saying "US government bans Bitcoin. Anyone who owns Bitcoin faces up to 36 months imprisonment". Then when the value crashes by 80% I'd buy all the coins I can afford and retract the article.

Even if you lost your job over it, who cares, you'd instantly be rich.
120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 05, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
Get out while you still can

Ok, you first.
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