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Economy / Speculation / Is that a long term Fibonacci Golden Spiral I see in the price?
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on: December 07, 2013, 06:50:30 AM
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Price, Date of Confirmation, Time since last confirmation 0, ?, ? 1, ?, ? 1, ?, ? 2, November 2011, ? 3, January 2012, 1 month 5, May 2012, 3 months 8, August 2012, 3 months 13, January 2013, 5 months 21, February 2013, 1 month 34, March 2013, 1 month 55, April 2013, 1 month (outside speculators coming in media induced "bubble" formed and pops bottoming at $55) 89, July 2013, 3 months 144, October 2013 3 months 233, November 2013, 1 month 377, November 2013 (real or speculation "bubble" forming?) 610, November 2013 (real or speculation "bubble" forming?) 987, November 2013 (real or speculation "bubble" forming?) 1597, 2584, 4181, etc.. I'm no mathematician, but I see a pattern here. Don't I? According to this sequence, the confirmation of the $250 hasn't officially happened yet. I suspect the speculative bubble formed due to media attention, like it did in April. We need to test $250 again before heading to the next level in the sequence of $377, then $610, then $987 and so on. The time scale is the only thing I'm uncertain about... In fact, it even more resembles the green numbers shown on this website: http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibtable.html. The green numbers are defined as "Every Fibonacci number bigger than 1 [except F(6)=8 and F(12)=144] has at least one prime factor that is not a factor of any earlier Fibonacci number." And the index numbers corresponding to the green numbers appear to follow the jerky time limits shown in the bitcoin prices above if you think of the index number in terms of months. The green numbers preceded by the corresponding index numbers are as follows: 3:2 4:3 5:5 7:13 11:89 13:233 (projected for January 2014) 17:1597 (projected for May 2014) 23:28657 (projected for November 2014) 29: 514229 (projected for May 2015) etc.. Ok, now the idea of bitcoin hitting half a million dollars in May 2015 seems pretty out there, but there it is... Anyway, I just noticed this and thought it was interesting. I'm sure I'm not the first though. There have been much smarter people than me studying bitcoin and the protocol for a lot longer than I have. But the protocol IS based on complex mathematics right? And Pi was an awesome movie... Could the Golden Spiral have been written into the code somehow? Or maybe I should stop smoking pot before looking at historical bitcoin charts?
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Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [POLL] Is bitcoin starting to drop?
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on: December 07, 2013, 05:28:41 AM
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These past couple of weeks feel like April to me. I started hearing for the first time about it then when the price cranked up to $250 and after a week or two fell back to around $100 (still higher than the previous high from a few months before that). I actually researched it back then and thought it had promise, so I got an account at an exchange and bought one for $100. It then did nothing for a few months and slowly began the climb to back to the $250 high that it ramped up to in April which caused all the media attention. But once the "bubble" burst, the media, as usual, lost interest and didn't mention it again until it started ramping up to $800-$900 in early November. The news latched on again, speculators came in to try and get a quick buck, it ramped up to $1000, now it will fall back but I predict will not go below the previous $250 high from April.
I WANT this to happen! If it does, the media will move on to some other distraction and forget about bitcoin and its "bubbles" for another few months and the true believers who got on board in November are still in it along with the true believers (like me) who came on board in April, but the speculators are gone and government officials will relax and focus on other crises. Leaving us free to continue to build the network in peace again and start the slow ascent back to $1000. Once it starts to climb above that, there will be another ramp up to $3000 or something and the cycle will start again and the new floor will be $1000. Etc. etc. Rinse & repeat. All the while the network is growing and adapting and expanding.
It could very well be unstoppable but it will come in cycles like this. And with every cycle, the power of bitcoin grows. It's the nature of media and their short-term/crisis driven sensationalist attention span.
What has happened before will happen again. So I predict a hard bottom of $250 within the next week or so and then some stability as it slowly climbs back up under the radar.
We can let the media giggle once again at bitcoin's "downfall" until the next "bubble" forms in, say, March when all the fancy new rigs come on-line and the media suddenly learns about bitcoin. Again.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2013-12-04] -Bloomberg - Greenspan says bitcoin a Bubble
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on: December 05, 2013, 02:24:50 AM
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Greenspan is said to have commented: "there is no fundamental means of 'repaying' it by any means that is universally accepted."
That's right Alan, it's not a token representing the part of the national debt that's made up of Treasury Bonds, i.e. it's an asset-based currency, not a claim on a gigantic and never-to-be paid debt based currency.
How in hell does this guy actually get away with sitting there on National TV, complaining that he doesn't understand the value of something that's not part of the scammy system he presided over for 20 years? Are people listening to the words coming out of this guys mouth at all? Do they actually understand that he's complaining that it's not bullshit nationalised servitude, and that the Federal Reserve shareholders (e.g. Goldman Sachs, Carnegie Mellon, JP Morgan et al) cannot possibly roll around with their legs in the air while sucking everyone dry?
No wonder the Chinese state have shut the Dollar window. Buy Bitcoin, and stand back to a safe distance. Expect some turbulence.
That's a phenomenal rant right there! It's my birthday today and this was my favourite gift. I couldn't agree with you more.
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Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Serious qestions about CEX.io and other cloud mining services
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on: November 30, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
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The one thing that would likely put a damper on difficulty would be a big crash in the price of BTC. So in a way you could look at CEX as being a short on BTC.
This is an interesting observation. So purchasing the GHS/BTC on CEX is effectively a form of hedge for long term bitcoin holdings? The question is what would it cost in BTC to fully hedge your holdings? And is that cost worth it to you if you think there is a bubble in the current price of BTC/USD? Complicated but I intend to smoke a doob and think on it some more.
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Other / Beginners & Help / Re: My story! (If anyone is interested in a noob's story)
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on: November 27, 2013, 05:28:17 AM
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So how much have you earned now?
Well I bought one bitcoin for $100 bucks in April, now it's worth ~$900. But I did use 0.344 of them to buy the X-1 today. However I intend to replenish those bitcoins tomorrow to get back to one, perhaps I'll even get lucky and buy them back at a price lower than $900! Actually, I'm thinking I may buy more than that but we'll see. I realize it's not much in the big scheme of things but I may be representative of the next wave of people getting in for small amounts like this. The fact that you can buy in smaller increments allows access to bitcoin for many people and that in turn helps the system over time. It is still pretty complicated for the average Joe and the average Joe wants things simple. So it'll take time and innovation to bring in the masses, if it even gets to that point. I'm sure there are people out there smarter than I am who will come up with ideas to make the whole thing easier to understand without having to do weeks of research like I had to do! I'm not dumb and I still find it very complicated. LOL
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Other / Beginners & Help / My story! (If anyone is interested in a noob's story)
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on: November 27, 2013, 05:08:06 AM
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Back in April I was doing my weekly check of facebook and saw an article by the CFA Institute on bitcoin. Now for those of you who don't know the CFA Institute, they are the issuers of the highly respected and difficult to obtain CFA Charter (Chartered Financial Analyst). Ask anyone involved in the buy/sell investment community and they will know what CFA stands for and represents. Point being, I happen to be a CFA Charterholder. So when I read that article, I started to do some research and I liked what I saw in theory. So I proceeded to get verified at an exchange, deposited $100 and bought a bitcoin to test the waters. Then I monitored off and on for a few months, did a bit more research, etc. Obviously a few weeks ago, I began to get giddy with the price rise (and regretful wishing I had bought more!). At that time, I started to research mining as well. I have my own theories about where this thing could be headed and based my most recent purchase of a mere $300 for a Black Arrow X-1 on the results of my analysis and incorporating my own risk/return calculations. I'm so accustomed to financial/investment transactions being conducted in what most of us would say is "normal", so this purchase has me right at the edge of my comfort zone, but I did it anyway! I now have an "awaiting delivery" status for the X-1 and am anxiously awaiting the end of February for two reasons: 1. to see if the equipment actually arrives ( ) and 2. to start tinkering and get real world personal experience with how all of this mining business works. So I have a couple of months to research pools and things before my itty bitty machine arrives. I'll use this thread to update as time goes by for any other noobs like me who are just hopping on this bitcoin train. Are we late to the show or is it still in the early stages? Am I an early adoptor or a sucker? Will bitcoin change the word and save humanity from itself or just be another big idea that flops when the 1% realizes their wealth could potentially be at risk? Only time will tell. And that's what makes taking this small risk so exciting! So many variables at play! I'm buckled in and can't wait to enjoy the ride, even if it does crash. But I have a feeling that's not going to happen anytime soon. Bitcoin is brilliant in theory, and exciting to be part of the action.
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Other / Beginners & Help / Interesting observation by Country
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on: November 25, 2013, 02:32:51 AM
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So someone in another thread linked to here: http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ where it shows the number of bitcoin nodes in each country. So I pulled some other numbers to do a quick analysis: number of computers per country and population. When looking at the penetration of the nodes in the world and sorting them, we have the following: Countries in order of nodes per one million computers: 1. Canada (338) 2. China (233) 3. Germany (219) 4. Russia (218) 5. UK (191) 6. US (139) 7. France (74) 8. Italy (71) 9. Brazil (59) 10.India (19) 11. Japan (14) Countries in order of nodes per one million people: 1. Canada (215) 2. Germany (194) 3. UK (164) 4. US (136) 5. Russia (81) 6. France (60) 7. Italy (53) 8. China (33) 9. Brazil (14) 10. Japan (11) 11. India (1) Now I realize this isn't a scientific analysis but it is still interesting nonetheless. Being a Canadian myself, I can tell you we feel the chokehold of being so strongly tied to the US dollar. I've heard my whole life that if they go down, we go down with them (economically speaking). So I find it very encouraging that Canadians are early adopters of a currency solution that could provide us a safe way out of that chokehold. When the financial kaka hits the fan and the bubble that is the US reserve currency goes bust, perhaps we can survive the ride through bitcoin! Honestly, if that does take place, I'll be the first one laughing at the 1% as they crash and burn... THAT my friends is where the real bubble is, and I can't wait for it to bust. But Canada aside, all in all, those are a couple of pretty interesting lists right there when considering world economics and politics.
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Other / Beginners & Help / Re: When will BTC be worth $100,000 per BTC???
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on: November 23, 2013, 03:12:10 PM
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I don't view it as a bubble. Demand is outpacing supply at the moment. It's not a stock, it's a currency. It's "value" compared to fiat isn't determined by trade imbalances and balance sheets, the determination of it's value is driven by demand. An overall movement from many countries moving into bitcoin as either a hedge or speculation.
There are many variables at play and it's still very, very early...
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Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Black Arrow rent-some-minions question
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on: November 21, 2013, 10:56:06 PM
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Let me re-phrase. I don't care whether people think it's a good idea or a bad one , I'm simply looking for help with the mathematics of it using the calculator. $215 investment 4 months 100 Ghash/sec No costs Any bitcoins generated are mine. Again, whether they can deliver or not isn't what I am asking for input on. Just the math.
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