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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 30, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
Personally I used stocks.exchange several times before. NEver had any issues. Withdrawals always processed within 5-10 mins. Just always withdraw your coins to a personal wallet which you control the private key for.

I just bit the bullet and opened an account at stocks.exchange to sell Dero there.

However the Dero wallet is shown as disabled.  Is this the case for all account owners or is it just me?  Are Dero accounts disabled for new users or something like that?  How do I get this resolved?
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 30, 2018, 08:13:05 AM
Everyone update now especially pool operators  http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/
Pls sync time also from ntp:
apt install ntpdate
ntpdate -s us.pool.ntp.org

I have updated, getting the time errors (Block timestamp is too far into future) despite syncing with an ntp server using a Windows utility for this (Advanced Time Synchronizer)

EDIT: Errors have stopped; blockchain is synced
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 30, 2018, 06:24:14 AM
which of the three exchanges is most trustworthy to put crypto on

I have made many deposits, withdrawals and trades on stocks.exchange, and while I have not lost any coins, let's just say this exchange is rarely trouble-free. I also really despise how it repeatedly does the Cloudflare DDoS check, even after you've already logged in (I mean, who in their right mind is going to properly log in and then do a DDoS attack???).

I just signed up on TradeOgre a few days ago mainly to see if any pump-n-dump manipulation occurs, but so far I like the UI a lot more than stocks.exchange and I have deposited two different coins there without incident and with very prompt crediting. Also, no Cloudflare BS. I'll update this thread when I actually do a trade.

I haven't tried SouthXchange and haven't heard much about it so can't give an opinion on that one.



Tradeogre seems to go offline periodically.  It is offline right now in fact.  This might be due to DDOS attacks rather than site maintenance as there is no message when you try to load their site.  Also some people have expressed worry that there is no information about who runs it and no means to contact support or open a ticket, only a twitter handle.  Of the three exchanges it is the only one that was not endorsed by the developers, and of the problems with stocks.exchange specifically, sometimes the developers have intervened to try and resolve problems.  I personally would be leery of using Tradeogre for these reasons (though I have not used any of these exchanges).
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 29, 2018, 06:42:21 AM
Is this price rise real or manipulated?

Any consensus on this here among this community?
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 28, 2018, 03:12:13 AM
Dero now have market cap, now this coin is top 500 .

Nice

Right now it says 628.  Yesterday when I checked it was like 1400.  Which seems astonishing at first but when you glance down coinmarketcap you see a lot of red, I guess Dero was in the smaller green group among small caps over the last 24 hours and this partly explains the big climb in rank.  It could easily fall again.

Still at 655 BTC total market cap it is tiny.  For now...
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 27, 2018, 06:20:56 PM

Would the developers mind commenting if they had anything to do with Dero being added to Tradeogre?


We have nothing to do with that perhaps some member on slack/discord applied there.

Also there is nothing stopping an exchange from just adding a coin themselves without anyone even asking.

The request to TradeOgre was submitted by a long standing community member who was upset with Stocks.exchange. It has nothing to do with a pump group.


Really glad to hear that.  Glad I was wrong, then.   Could be that price increase is real.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 27, 2018, 01:14:49 PM
Dero has been added to the Tradeogre exchange apparently

https://twitter.com/TradeOgre/status/989712397169381376
Cool. Thanks to all  Grin

Would the developers mind commenting if they had anything to do with Dero being added to Tradeogre?

If they did not this could be a preparatory stage for a pump-and-dump.  If you read through the exposure of PnD scheming posted earlier by technicianit

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@cryptomedication/bravadogroup-and-several-other-major-crypto-influencers-caught-planning-massive-pump-and-dump-schemes

you will discover that they talk about the need for a coin such as Dero to be on Tradeogre and that they even have contacts that can manage to get a coin like that listed on Tradeogre, as part of their preparations for a PnD.  Dero is also discussed specifically as a possible candidate for their PnD scheme.  These guys can gather enough BTC to easily move a small market like Dero, which only takes a few BTCs.  They are prepared to put a lot of buy and sell orders in to start such a pump, buying and selling back and forth, gets a price rise started then others join.  The losses they suffer in that first round is just the cost of doing business and is dwarfed by the profits of selling later.  The few tens of thousands of Dero going through stocks.exchange daily and now tradeogre are easily within their reach, they can completely dominate these markets if they want to.
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 26, 2018, 01:20:13 PM

That's funny, Tron hired a market maker a few months back, they pump and dump all the time.

Pump-and-dump is illegal in securities trading, so unless you think that crypto is going to remain lawless and unregulated indefinitely this sort of thing will not only come to a screeching halt, there may be some negative consequences in the future for willingly engaging in bad behavior now.


Let's  keep an eye out for shillers on ALL channels (not only here) and silence them /call them out as much as possible when we see them.

Pump and dump only works when lots of people get on board with the pump part.  If we as a community are vigilant, the pump and dumpers will go and pick easier targets.

Luckily for now I think stock exchanges “superb service” protects dero from the big pnd groups. 😂

 Grin

Seriously though, according to that leaked chat that was posted earlier (which was awesome to read) one of the things these groups do is use their "connections" to get tiny cap coins listed on more prominent exchanges precisely to oil the wheels for their PnD.
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 26, 2018, 10:00:23 AM

That's funny, Tron hired a market maker a few months back, they pump and dump all the time.

Pump-and-dump is illegal in securities trading, so unless you think that crypto is going to remain lawless and unregulated indefinitely this sort of thing will not only come to a screeching halt, there may be some negative consequences in the future for willingly engaging in bad behavior now.


Let's  keep an eye out for shillers on ALL channels (not only here) and silence them /call them out as much as possible when we see them.

Pump and dump only works when lots of people get on board with the pump part.  If we as a community are vigilant, the pump and dumpers will go and pick easier targets.
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 26, 2018, 09:25:33 AM
why we don't start listing on huge exchange such as binance, bittrex ?

go away...
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 25, 2018, 09:32:02 PM
Please bear in mind that this coin is still in a very early stage of development.  Not everything is going to work smoothly or exactly as everyone would like.  There are issues and bumps along the road and this is inevitable.  The question to ask: where are the priorities of the developers, and how are they handling it?

*  They have decided to prioritise getting Atlantis ready rather than being sidetracked by a PoW update to defeat the ASICs right now.  Whether you agree or not with this policy the considered opinion of the developers is that this is the best policy for the longer term.

* The code is in alpha state and they don't want to release the source code until the project is more complete and aligned with its originally stated goals.  Whether you agree or not it is a considered opinion and policy, and yes, you have to trust the developers for now that they really will release the code as promised.  (They know it would be insane not to -  it would be the death knell of the coin and all their efforts would have been wasted.)

*  They do not want to register the coin on any more exchanges until it is more ready for prime-time.  Again, you may not agree, but it is a considered opinion and basically has become official policy.

Come back again in 1-2 months.  If the developers have seen through on their promises (Atlantis released with features as already announced; source code released; ASICs defeated - among much else achieved by Atlantis; Dero registered on another and better exchange or at least in the pipeline by then) on the timescale promised, then you know what?  It really means a lot.  It enables people to put much more faith in the developers and the coin.  Price will rise.  It will be taken more seriously.  The coin will be much stronger.  And if you support the coin, at that point you will be much happier, too.

Consider the following 1-2 months a test.  The team have put themselves on the line.  There is no point trying to change the opinions/settled policy of the developers at this point.  Just sit back and wait to see how it all pans out.  If it pans out according to plan, you will be in an excellent position to still be one of the early adopters of a great coin with a much greater degree of confidence in its ultimate success.  If it doesn't, then the weaknesses of Dero and its team will have been exposed and you can move on, at relatively little cost to you.  Either way, you will find out, and benefit.

EDIT.  And consider what has already been achieved.  Recoding the blockchain into another language was no small matter, and on top of that transitioning the mining pools and wallets to the new version of the blockchain has gone almost without hiccups - and with a big increase in hashing power to boot, and three attacks to the network fended off successfully.  And also think to yourself:  why have they bothered to recode the entire thing into a new language?  Reflect on that, and then realise that the developers mean what they say when they say they are looking at the long-term success of the coin.  This is no ordinary Cryptonight fork.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 24, 2018, 10:19:12 AM
Can anyone share some pearls of wisdom relating volume to price on the exchanges?

I am full-on speculating here for the fun of it.

I noticed that Dero's volume and price went up more or less as a constant ratio in the last few days.

Note that Monero and Dero share the same total supply and tail emission schedule.

Currently Monero has a daily volume in the region of 119 million USD, while Dero has a volume of something like 233 thousand (if we believe figures quoted on the exchanges - a big question mark).

I know we can't conclude anything as crude as: Monero's volume is roughly 500 times Dero's volume, therefore if Dero gets to be traded at a similar volume, it will be at 500 times the price it is now.

But can we conclude *anything* from a comparison like this?

Silly stuff, I know.

53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 24, 2018, 04:11:32 AM
Higher network hashrates and higher prices seem to be the new reality for Dero.  Is it so much to believe that this is simply the momentum of Dero by itself?  Where do you think prices will be after coinmarketcap and Atlantis updates?  CaptDero has "Built it and they will come" in his signature.  Not for nothing, it seems.
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 23, 2018, 06:10:06 PM
Perhaps news got out that it's now possible to withdraw them more than 20 at a time if you buy a bunch LOL. I'm assuming it's part Atlantis, part Alts in general doing well, and part GPU / CPU miners essentially being shut out from mining and dumping. Though it does seem odd that ASIC miners who are, presumably, desperate to cover the cost of their purchases aren't dumping into the strength.

My theory is that the ASIC miners don't mine Dero directly.  They sell their hashpower on nicehash to the highest bidder (what else would explain the large amount of Cryptonight hashpower still for sale on nicehash) and thereby earn bitcoin directly and immediately, which is what they really want, and without dumping on any market.  They are therefore pretty insensitive to price spikes on individual coins like Dero.  The price spike seems entirely independent, probably due to the reasons already mentioned.
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 23, 2018, 01:43:32 PM
Anyone who claims ASICS kill coins are out of their mind.

Look at bitcoin, the first ASIC PoW coin... Still going strong.

What happened to bitcoin isn't applicable for a number of reasons. Firstly, we don't know the counterfactual; i.e. - what would have happened to BTC had ASICs not been developed for it. Secondly, BTC was the *only* cryptocurrency when ASICs became available, so there was nowhere else for GPU and CPU miners to go. Thirdly, ASICs were adopted very slowly for BTC because its price was quite low and no one knew if it would really ever take off. Plenty believed it would, sure, but it's not like recent history where price went to nearly $20k US and dragged almost every other crypto with it, so now it is more or less known that crypto can be successful. Fourthly, the even more recent crash in crypto prices shows that prices can, indeed, do just that: crash. Since ASICs tend to be very expensive, especially the first batch, those that buy them have a very strong incentive to dump their coins as fast as they mine them to try to recoup the cost, and for a small market cap coin like DERO that can push the price down so far the coin loses all momentum, especially since GPU/CPU miners have been all but pushed out by the ASICs.

Granted, DERO is holding up rather well in the face of the ASIC invasion, but I, and many other long time miners, stopped mining it completely, and if the recent positive price action reverses and DERO trades to new lows because of relentless selling pressure I suspect that many of us once staunch supporters will lose interest and drift off to other projects.

ASICs make any network safer at a higher cost efficiency. The fact that the companies that make them are unethical by selling them only after mining them for 3-6 months has nothing to do with ASICS, it has to do with those people. So instead of going after ASICs, which are only great, go after the companies that are doing unethical business.

The cryptonight ASICs (or many of them) were sold at discounts recently, this makes it highly likely that the hashpower coming from them is rather distributed

These points I mostly agree with, and have argued such before - ASICs can be a very good thing if for no other reason than they are usually much more energy efficient, it's just that the manufacturers are a bunch of sleazebags that are all but untouchable because they are located in countries where, shall we say, the rule of law is not paramount.

It would certainly be quite an interesting counterfactual world where bitcoin had been ASIC resistant from the start.  For one thing the energy consumption of the bitcoin network would be even greater, by an order of magnitude probably, than it is now.  Either that or it wouldn't have scaled up as much.  It might have ASICs to thank for that.

Does the fact the majority of ASICS are probably not being used to mine a specific Cryptonight coin, but are instead being rented out on nicehash, change the reasoning here at all?

And - on a different but related note - is anyone worried about the future of Dero vis-a-vis the fact that it is a POW coin?  The developers of Cardano and other "generation 3.0" coins, and for that matter the developers at Ethereum, seem to think the future is with POS.  If Dero scales up isn't the network energy consumption going to end up being a problem?
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 23, 2018, 08:20:33 AM
So have ascic killed this coin? Did they fork like everyone else?

Killed?  Price just went to 0.000180 on stocks.exchange.  That's $1.60 at current prices.  A month ago it was at 0.000034.  That's a 5 fold increase against the price of bitcoin.  In a month.

if Dero does not list in bigger exchange, i think the price can go back to 0.000034.  Smiley

Seems like an impossible game to predict prices in the short term... in the long term, we are all predicting higher prices (otherwise we wouldn't be here), but in the shorter term, seems like it is near impossible.

EDIT.  I do not agree with the sentiment of getting on the bigger exchanges as soon as possible.  If Dero is going to be successful, at some point it will emerge from these forum threads and start to be reviewed on sites that are catering to second-tier investors, I mean those who rely on others to do their research for them rather than doing it themselves (as we all have done otherwise we wouldn't be here).  It could start to get bigger coverage at that point, and it is not a good idea for that to happen too soon.  It should happen once the principal goals of the project have already been achieved, as opposed to being mere promises.  You don't want the thing flying up into the sky then coming crashing down in flames.  Much better to fly higher and higher slowly but steadily.

But maybe that smiley face means you are actually hoping the price comes back down to those levels ;-)
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 23, 2018, 08:15:01 AM
So have ascic killed this coin? Did they fork like everyone else?

Killed?  Price just went to 0.000180 on stocks.exchange.  That's $1.60 at current prices.  A month ago it was at 0.000034.  That's a 5 fold increase against the price of bitcoin.  In a month.

if Dero does not list in bigger exchange, i think the price can go back to 0.000034.  Smiley

Seems like an impossible game to predict prices in the short term... in the long term, we are all predicting higher prices (otherwise we wouldn't be here), but in the shorter term, seems like it is near impossible.
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 23, 2018, 03:15:24 AM
So have ascic killed this coin? Did they fork like everyone else?

Killed?  Price just went to 0.000180 on stocks.exchange.  That's $1.60 at current prices.  A month ago it was at 0.000034.  That's a 5 fold increase against the price of bitcoin.  In a month.
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 23, 2018, 12:44:13 AM
Why  hasn't the price gone down?
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DERO FIRST SSL BLOCKCHAIN: CryptoNote Privacy + Smart Contracts on: April 21, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
I've been waiting over 3 days for my test deposit of 10 DERO to post on stocks.exchange. And yeah, that site is obviously a low-rent operation but theoretically all transfers are recorded to the blockchain so it can't be lost... theoretically.


I thought Stocks.Exchange was working well now?
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