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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: mining will become illegal on: December 11, 2021, 06:08:53 AM
in my country mining is becoming illegal
any ideas on how to rebuild my rigs to be hidden or to look like a home pc
thanks
as an answer if i get caught it will be jail time for 1-3 years
they don't do helicopters or thermal imaging just someone reports me , so i just want to hide if someone reports me and they get on my door they can't find them or they find just a normal pc



from "way more than" to now "more than"  Grin
the chief of police: boys, anyone who breaches 10k usage of electricity may it be 0.1 or 0.001 we will serve the search warrant.
LOL

For all your "more than" BS , the only thing I can say, just LISTEN THIS SONG , and concentrate on the lyrics , i hope you understand what is this song about , why is a perfect match for you LOL ,  I have some doubt about you, bc you have some serious issue to understanding a few things in this topic , but ...... don't give up my friend, one day you might going to be able to read between lines , and one day ... maybe one day ... you going to understand what is the OP main problem , one day .... maybe one day Smiley you going to be able to give him some helpful information , suggestions, but what I see ,  is going to take some times, till you growing up to this task  LOL
This beautiful song can be your hymn LOL
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
C Poждecтвoм и Hoвым Гoдoм
Feliz Navidad y Próspero Año Nuevo

PS: Enjoy that nice song , be proud of yourself !  I'm not arguing with ppl like you , its not worth it , you are right with every word you just said i mean typed Smiley
You are smarter way more than Im , experienced way more than Im and everyone on this forum ...........
You are really helpful , way more than Im and everyone on this forum ...........
You are the BEST !
All my respect for you!
LOL

Okay now let's put under surveillance the people buying over the counter 2500w rated extension cords, they are now suspects..might consume more than 1500w 24/7. LOL
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: mining will become illegal on: December 11, 2021, 12:28:15 AM
Way more than? Way over average? These are your figures.. 13k, 11k, 10k,14k.

Police: the average this that, the typical this that... Here's your search warrant. LOL

some ppl just really need to go back to the elementary school , and start again everything from the beginning , paying a little more attention to they teachers ... especially about reading , and understanding questions , issues !!!  LOL

The OP is worried about that search warrant  , he is worried about officers , government ppl showing up at his door with the warrant to search for his miners ...
He is even worry about if someone reports him and based on that report police can go to his house and  search for his miner(s) .

That's how "Some" government cracking down on home miners , based on they electricity usage after the mining ban ! yes if they have more than average usage of electricity!
I know its a really hard and difficult  to understand for some members here  , that's why they need to start from the beginning  LOL


as an answer if i get caught it will be jail time for 1-3 years
they don't do helicopters or thermal imaging just someone reports me , so i just want to hide if someone reports me and they get on my door they can't find them or they find just a normal pc

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS TRYING TO SAY , WHAT HE IS WORRY ABOUT , WHY HE IS OPENED THIS TOPIC Huh
Or do you really need some help to find out what is his topic is all about Huh
His main concern is that search warrant !!! i know is probably hard for you to understand , so I'm trying to help you a little bit LOL


from "way more than" to now "more than"  Grin

the chief of police: boys, anyone who breaches 10k usage of electricity may it be 0.1 or 0.001 we will serve the search warrant.

LOL
243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: mining will become illegal on: December 10, 2021, 08:00:23 PM
you are talking to crypto miners. we aren't average and we aren't typical LOL

No .. im talking about the OP , a person who trying to hide his 1500watts setup from the government
And Im talking about that 1500watts 24/7 , what can get the power company attention , bc that extra 1500watts/hour 24/7 is probably way more than what regular user/homeowner/renter using in his area.
If you growing weeds , police showing up at your door bc your electricity usage become way over average Smiley



Way more than? Way over average? These are your figures.. 13k, 11k, 10k,14k.

Police: the average this that, the typical this that... Here's your search warrant. LOL
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: mining will become illegal on: December 10, 2021, 02:03:26 PM
1500 watts per hour is a small amount of electricity consumption for an apartment in a very hot country.
Problems arise if neighbors write a statement to the police on you, then the police will already know what to look for, or they can then come with checks.
The most important thing is that no one should see this equipment.

1500w is small, you can still fit ~3000w in a THHN AWG 14 at 220V.

1500w is just around 1.5hp of AC a refrigerator and a few lights.

average heavy duty extension cords are rated at 2500w LOL.

So your AC compressor is running 24/7 all year long , your " few light bulbs" are on for 24/7 all year long , and your fridge compressor is running 24/7 all year long   Cheesy, and all this happening in a small apartment right ? LOL
So your continuous power usage in that "small apartment" , just from the AC / Fridge / few light , is 1500watts 24/7 all year long,  and using just this 3 things in that apartment, you paying around 133$ / months (calculated with 12cents/kwh) just for the AC /  few lamps / and a fridge ? Grin

1500 watts 24/7 is not much for industrial usage that's for sure , but for a small / reg size apartment ?
That's 36kwh/day (4.32$) , 252kwh/week (30.24$) , 1080kwh/months (129.6$) , 13104kwh/year (1572$)
Compare this usage with a world wide average ( especially for a small / reg size apartment ) , its not small at all , its actually more than the US typical household power consumption / year , and doubled what is the average in bigger European countries household power consumption / year .

From 2010 data :
In the US typical household power consumption is about 11,700 kWh each year, in France it is 6,400 kWh, in the UK it is 4,600 kWh and in China around 1,300 kWh.  The global average electricity consumption for households with electricity was roughly 3,500 kWh in 2010.

From 2015 data :
The average U.S. household consumes about 11,000 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year.However, electricity use in homes varies across regions of the United States and across housing types.

From 2020 data :
In 2020, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. residential utility customer was 10,715 kilowatthours (kWh), an average of about 893 kWh per month. Louisiana had the highest annual electricity consumption at 14,407 kWh per residential customer, and Hawaii had the lowest at 6,446 kWh per residential customer.

As I mentioned in my earlier post , some basic knowledge and google can be your best friend before posting LOL







you are talking to crypto miners. we aren't average and we aren't typical LOL
245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: mining will become illegal on: December 09, 2021, 11:07:46 AM
1500 watts per hour is a small amount of electricity consumption for an apartment in a very hot country.
Problems arise if neighbors write a statement to the police on you, then the police will already know what to look for, or they can then come with checks.
The most important thing is that no one should see this equipment.

1500 watts ,  24 hours per day , 7 days per week , 365 days/52 weeks per year is not a small amount of electricity !!!
36kwh/day , 252 kwh/week , 13104 kwh/year , and beside this usage he/she already using the average amount of electricity for that area , so its a extra Smiley
That 13104kw/year , can be around 1600$/year in average us electricity price , and i would not call that as a small amount of electricity usage even in a hot country Smiley

For education purpose  HERE is a LINK or HERE (older stat)  about average electricity usage from all over the word , especially I would suggest you to check out those " hot countries " usage vs Canada ! You will be surprised  Grin and you might can learn something new Smiley
.... And don't forget , google can be your best friend before posting something and want to make sure you posting the right information not some BS ...


1500w is small, you can still fit ~3000w in a THHN AWG 14 at 220V.

1500w is just around 1.5hp of AC a refrigerator and a few lights.

average heavy duty extension cords are rated at 2500w LOL.
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: mining will become illegal on: December 08, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
never ever underestimate the damage the asshole beside you can do.

anon is a major pillar in crypto.
247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: I made the right decision in November on: December 06, 2021, 02:54:09 AM

Remember cryptopia? They would list an alt and when it reached 1 sat they would start an LTC pair and it would again go to 1 sat in LTC. Basically lost 90% of its value and another 90%.



what can you expect? scamcoins and scam exchange LOL
248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: I made the right decision in November on: December 06, 2021, 01:14:10 AM
the right decision is when the money is on the table..GET IT BEFORE IT IS GONE  Grin
249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mininig with Air Conditioner ??? on: December 06, 2021, 01:10:54 AM
And I have natural ventilation, but I always try to do so that there is no unnecessary noise.
This situation is highly dependent on your neighbors and the crime in your area.
If there are more than 100 video cards in the room, then many miners prefer to use security.

this is a really good setup, natural ventilation = lots and lots of space

real estate is far more expensive than AC'ing your rigs, but if you have those already or renting it for cheap..then you win.

General rule of thumb is that your AC unit should be at least as many watts as your rigs.

That is interesting, I have never heard of that, as far as I know, 1 watt = 3.4 btu, so if your ac is 12.000 btu then you could cool down up to 3529 watts. Anyway, I'm not against using ac, people need to calculate if is worth and this topic comes up a lot when profit is very high. When profit is low or negative nobody talks about ac ehhe because there can't be any margin of error and if there is then you are screwed --> out of business hehe

12,000 btu cools 3529 watts if nature favors you, if not then that 12,000 btu might just cool down around half of that (rule of thumb of the other guy). the (+/-) ~40-50% margin of that is huge. climate has a huge role.
250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mininig with Air Conditioner ??? on: December 03, 2021, 09:49:49 PM
I don't like using AC in my farm because they consume more power than my mining rig, not good if you don't have extremely cheap power solutions it's better to buy two exhaust fans, they are different in size depending on how big your farm is
The problem may be that air conditioning cannot be installed in some rooms, while ventilation cannot be installed in others.
For example, if I put the air conditioner in my garage and leave it on at night, then the thieves will guess that there is a mining farm there.
Such moments should always be kept in mind.

Same with ventilation lol.

Security is another section/chapter/topic in mining.
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Ergo FPGA PoC - ~2.75MH/W on: November 18, 2021, 01:37:15 PM
Funny you comeback with FPGAs and not GPUs
252  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Say NO to smoke detectors! on: November 03, 2021, 08:23:26 AM
i have smoke detectors called nose and eyes  Cheesy
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Is GPU mining really dying? on: November 03, 2021, 08:16:33 AM
You are probably focusing on the POS coins that are being hyped right now like the Solanas, Polkadots, Lunas etc so there is a feeling that POW is missing a big share of the hype, but It doesn't mean GPU mining is dying. New coins that can be mined by GPUs today and seem less profitable could be of so much value tomorrow. I think being among the early miners of the coin and patience is part of the game.

It's funny, those pos, defi, or any other token coins I see no value in them, long term all scams and yet look what scammers have done to them, gave those coins value so sheeps can go into a huge parabolic pyramid scheme and then they will simply rugpull them, one by one will simply disappear, scammers know they need to create new coins and then hype them in order for them to earn 1000x, so reason 99% of new coins die once the bullrun is done for, many new coins already lost 99.99% of value and simply died, many more coming once this is over. See defi, pos, tokens from nothing will never be like pow coins, pow coins used value to exist, all others used nothing but hype to exist, long term is only pow, anything else is just scam concerning real value.

i am mining biased, but for staking coins/non mineable coins value can be created by development and marketing.

there are a lot more people who can't do mining or don't have the ideal circumstances these many people does have power/ a say/ can participate in the crypto space.

yeah they will pump and dump but they must have a good chunk of the supply. the worst ones are the people who can't even pump their shitcoins but have a huge bags waiting for some victims.
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mininig with Air Conditioner ??? on: November 01, 2021, 04:24:47 PM
I have 4 pcs mining rigs. Each of them has 12 GPUs RX570 4GB.
Total 48 GPU. I want to use air conditioner for cooling.
What should I do ? is it safe to use air conditioner ?

cold air and hot air in the same room is a problem ?
I dont care about the profitibality I just want to know is there any problem if i use air conditioner ?
The cold air dircetly to the rigs or somewhere else direction ?

if there is anyone use air conditioner, please help me. I want to be set up a proffessional system.
7kw air conditioner is enough ?

I use a commercial AC to cool down my 42 GPUs and since march everything has been perfect!

To be more specific it's the Mitsubishi 24,000 BTU Wall Mounted Air Conditioner Air Handler
Model: PKA-A24KA7.TH

https://www.mitsubishitechinfo.ca/sites/default/files/SB_PKA-A24KA7_PUY-A24NHA7%28-BS%29_201908.pdf

I am planning to add more GPUs so that way I am sure the temperature and humidity are controlled plus it works during winter, the outdoor unit can do up until -40°C.

It cost me 7,358.40 CAD and I have professional technicians I can contact quickly if something wrong happened.

What will damage your GPUs the most is the heat, I am planning to keep healthy my GPUs for years to come and I don't have to bother anymore with a ventilation system which you have to constantly adjust manually based on the outside temperature.

It's been amazing up until now but for someone with high electricity cost it might not be financially wise. Here in Québec I pay 0,10$ per kWh which is pretty low and our electricity comes from a green and renewable source.

False

What most kill GPU are the moist.

Never use AC units if you want your GPU last years.

I have 56 GPU in a a room at 34C all year since 2017 (somethimes the room get at 40C) and all perfect, so far 2 MSI armor and 1 Powercolor fail but thats a problem with the heatsink (in this models they dont touch the memory, only the GPU) i fix then reballing the memory that fail.

Just put all the cards on a "Hot Room" and "Cold Room" and you will fine.

Miner container is the best example.

AC removes moist, it dehumidifies the air.

also 24,000 btu is enough if you are in a cold climate but if you are in a hot climate you'll need x2 to x3 of that 24,000 btu.

You need buy a dehumidifier if you want remove the moist, not a AC conditioner. See how DATACENTERS remove the moist.

https://www.cielowigle.com/blog/dehumidifier-vs-air-conditioner/

if you want to dehumidify without air conditioning, dehumidifier will work but if you have an air conditioning then you don't need a dehumidifier., what you need to buy is a humidity measurement tool so you can decide if you need both or an AC is enough, chances are AC is enough.

the water dripping from the AC unit..that's water being removed from the air.
255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mininig with Air Conditioner ??? on: November 01, 2021, 03:11:06 AM
I dont mine ETH. So, the power consumption is low. 48 GPUs eats only 4200W
The income isnt important. This is my hobby. I want to see everything well running, clean and tidy.

The AC system is the inverter one. The power consumption is 400W-2200W. It changes all the time.
Static will be problem ? or any other problem ?

My rigs are running on the same room with the AC for a few days. There is no any problem so far.
The AC doesnt blow the air to the rigs directly. The room is enough cold.
I set autofan option in HiveOS. The temparatures of the GPUs are 59c-66c.
I dont want GPUs are so cold. 59c-66c is enough for me. In this way, the AC system eats lower WATT.
The important thing is the GPUs has no dust, no overheating.

My Mitsubishi commercial AC also has the benefits of a variable speed inverter scroll compression which means:

Conventional compressors typically only run at one speed and can only cycle
between on and off – not an effective method for delivering cooling in a
server room. The P-Series is equipped with Mitsubishi Electric’s quality-made,
durable variable speed inverter scroll compressor that can adjust its speed to
provide precise cooling as needed. This means:
• a consistent, precise temperature is maintained at all times;
• increased energy efficiencies, resulting in cost savings;
• when a server room expands, the P-Series can adapt to the increasing heat
load without requiring the installation of additional equipment.


My AC cost me around 3,50 CAD per day (2% of my average daily revenue) for continuous sensible heat load of my minage room. I will soon add more GPUs and will capitalize even more on my AC daily cost even though I spent many hours to set my node validator on RocketPool for the upcoming ETH merge.


the data sheet you posted stated it is twin rotary and not scroll compression.

a non inverter will be having the same performance as an inverter at maxed out capacity.

the only good thing about an inverter is this
Quote
• when a server room expands, the P-Series can adapt to the increasing heat
because it is better in adjusting than a typical thermostat which is an on-off switch.

but i'll have a different strategy if i were you, i'll use a non inverter windows type 12,000 btu for the first 50% setup of the rigs, as the mining expands i'll add another 12,000 btu. the benefits are..
- non inverter AC are cheaper.
- if an AC has a problem you can run your farm at 50% (backup model)
- window type are just square boxes, 12000 btu AC is still small enough for a single person to remove and install, so if you are a one man army like me, you can DIY (change capacitor, clean, install etc.), no need to call anybody and waste time. non inverter AC are lighter than inverter AC BTW.

have a spare AC so you can continue mining while an AC is in maintenance.  

have an air filter sheet that you can place over the evaporator intake, this will reduce your maintenance times for cleaning the evaporator.
256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mininig with Air Conditioner ??? on: October 31, 2021, 03:46:09 PM
I have 4 pcs mining rigs. Each of them has 12 GPUs RX570 4GB.
Total 48 GPU. I want to use air conditioner for cooling.
What should I do ? is it safe to use air conditioner ?

cold air and hot air in the same room is a problem ?
I dont care about the profitibality I just want to know is there any problem if i use air conditioner ?
The cold air dircetly to the rigs or somewhere else direction ?

if there is anyone use air conditioner, please help me. I want to be set up a proffessional system.
7kw air conditioner is enough ?

I use a commercial AC to cool down my 42 GPUs and since march everything has been perfect!

To be more specific it's the Mitsubishi 24,000 BTU Wall Mounted Air Conditioner Air Handler
Model: PKA-A24KA7.TH

https://www.mitsubishitechinfo.ca/sites/default/files/SB_PKA-A24KA7_PUY-A24NHA7%28-BS%29_201908.pdf

I am planning to add more GPUs so that way I am sure the temperature and humidity are controlled plus it works during winter, the outdoor unit can do up until -40°C.

It cost me 7,358.40 CAD and I have professional technicians I can contact quickly if something wrong happened.

What will damage your GPUs the most is the heat, I am planning to keep healthy my GPUs for years to come and I don't have to bother anymore with a ventilation system which you have to constantly adjust manually based on the outside temperature.

It's been amazing up until now but for someone with high electricity cost it might not be financially wise. Here in Québec I pay 0,10$ per kWh which is pretty low and our electricity comes from a green and renewable source.

False

What most kill GPU are the moist.

Never use AC units if you want your GPU last years.

I have 56 GPU in a a room at 34C all year since 2017 (somethimes the room get at 40C) and all perfect, so far 2 MSI armor and 1 Powercolor fail but thats a problem with the heatsink (in this models they dont touch the memory, only the GPU) i fix then reballing the memory that fail.

Just put all the cards on a "Hot Room" and "Cold Room" and you will fine.

Miner container is the best example.

AC removes moist, it dehumidifies the air.

also 24,000 btu is enough if you are in a cold climate but if you are in a hot climate you'll need x2 to x3 of that 24,000 btu.
257  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: October 25, 2021, 05:57:17 PM
atheists love religion.

atheists love to have justice "in next life for the oppressed", atheists love to look forward to "good things that is about to come/heaven"...here's the catch. nobody can prove it will happen or it exists.

the human mind fears the unknown, if you control the unknown with a narrative(religion) then you control the fear. you control the fear, you control the human mind  Wink i bet there are/were people behind religion/s that are atheists.
258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: thermal pads for gddr6x and a bit of patience on: October 15, 2021, 02:25:11 AM
I've seen a video on youtube of somebody using copper pads, i wonder how good that is x what you have done, your memory temperatures has had an incredible upgrade.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/q5z6xh/thermal_pad_mod_for_rtx_3080_rtx_3090_thermal/

it was the massive suprim x cooler/heat sink, the thermal pads job is to simply pass the heat to the heat sink.

i used copper shim in a laptop a long time ago, i think the only major advantage of copper, like what happened in my laptop is that it functions as a heatsink too not just a heat transfer (to heatsink) material.

aside from conductivity copper needs to be used with pads because minor dents and its hard nature can do damage if not in a perfect fit example: if 3mm is required, use 2mm copper and 0.5mm on both sides.  

Igor'sLab has done some youtube video's abt. thermal pads. The video's are in german but he has a website in english
 https://www.igorslab.de/en/thermal-pad-tests-on-the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-four-reference-pads-and-brachial-temperature-rise-of-the-hot-gddr6x-to-50/

around 11 W/(m*K) is the sweet spot for gddr6x specially if you are a miner, if you are on gddr6 then 7 W/(m*K).
259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / thermal pads for gddr6x and a bit of patience on: October 14, 2021, 07:08:02 AM
I just changed the thermal pads of my msi 3080ti suprim x. (applicable to any cards specially the ones with gddr6x)

here is something people should do before panicking, disassembling and reassembling their cards again.

after you install the high quality thermal pads, there can be a little bit of size difference (thickness) of the newly installed and the previous one. (of course you should use the right thickness but still there can be a little bit of difference.)

the problem is if the new thermal pads are a bit thicker the gpu core might not have good contact to heat sink. if temps does not go directly to 100c, more like around 80C, just let it mine for a day, the thermal pads just needs a bit more time to squish to the right size and then the next day the core is now at around 65-78c.

vram was around 90-104c, now it is 68-78c.

items used.

-kryonaut extreme 2g
-Thermalright Extreme Odyssey Thermal Pads
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Trying to avoid cheap farm build on: October 13, 2021, 01:56:38 AM

It's probably best to let the electrician do the design as well. Just give them requirements and they can figure out the best
way to do it.

Also check your local laws. Some jurisdictions require electricians to do all the work for anything that will be connected to the grid,
others just need an inspection before connecting.

Yeah, call an expert for the big things and then make sure to learn simple things, you will need the expertise if something goes wrong, calling an electrician every problem that happens will cost a lot of money.

2013:

miner: i need this setup
electrician: (fucking idiot nerds, well...as long as i get paid) yes sir!

2021:

miner: i need this setup
electrician: you must be making a bank out of this sir!
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