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Сейчас бы за говнотокены работать, сайт пустой, пепер на 6 страниц вообще смех  2 члена команды + адвизор, никаких линков, тупо 3 страницы фейковых фейсбука. +1 скам детектед. |
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Потому что спец службы не спят, хотя в разных странах кибер,вообще тупо сидят и выхватываю людей из соцсейте.
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1 место. Футбол
Футбол
Для тех, кто не в теме, футбол — это всего лишь стадо баранов, бегающих за одним мячом. Но мы то с вами знаем, что это настоящее искусство; эмоции и зрелищность в футболе всегда на высоте. Чего стоит профессионально исполненный штрафной удар, быстрая и стремительная контратака или точный дриблинг. Помните, как замирает сердце, когда голкипер отбивает сложный удар, нанесенный с нескольких метров? А если вы когда-нибудь видели филигранно исполненный «сухой лист», — тогда вам не стоит объяснять, почему этот вид спорта самый зрелищный и самый популярный в мире.
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Слишком жёсткая туалетная бумага, а тем более бумага «советского» типа - серая, в которой даже видны неразмолотые частички бумаги (по виду - как древесная стружка), - подходит для общественных мест, но не для дома. Механическое раздражение может травмировать нежную слизистую (а в ней находится много различных рецепторов), спровоцировать воспаления. Поэтому естественно, что в современном мире давно отказались от использования газет в качестве средства личной гигиены. Чем туалетная бумага мягче, чем больше в ней слоёв и меньшая зернистость, тем лучше.
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Балу, Бард, Барон, Берг, Берт, Бликса, Богдан, Борис, Бранд, Брейгель, Бьорн, Бэмби
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Да, хорошая команда, давно с ними работаю!
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Just wanted to say. I received my payout from this service and account page has loads of statistics. Looks legit.
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Just some calculations.
Lets say petamine obtain 2% of network hashrate. And there will be 100000 shares.
Lets say at average there are 6.5 blocks mined per hour.
For the next 2.5 years each block rewards 25 BTC.
100% of network mines 6.5 * 25 * 24 = 3900 BTC per day.
or 3900 * 30 = 117000 BTC per month.
2% of network will mine 117000 * 0.02 = 2340 BTC per month.
Finally each share will receive 0.0234 BTC per month.
Forgot about 35% reinvestment. So actually each share will receive 0.01521 BTC in dividends per month. Not taking into account transaction rewards and electricity costs. |
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Just some calculations.
Lets say petamine obtain 2% of network hashrate. And there will be 100000 shares.
Lets say at average there are 6.5 blocks mined per hour.
For the next 2.5 years each block rewards 25 BTC.
100% of network mines 6.5 * 25 * 24 = 3900 BTC per day.
or 3900 * 30 = 117000 BTC per month.
2% of network will mine 117000 * 0.02 = 2340 BTC per month.
Finally each share will receive 0.0234 BTC per month.
So the questions are how much time does it take to achieve 2% of network. And do they have enough funds to do it. I would say its pretty interesting investment in long term.
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0.089:
Thanks for reserving.
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1 share. As we both agreed 0.4 now, 0.089 until next Sunday. Thanks.
0.089:
Thanks for reserving.
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I have 2 x r17 batch #1 for sale.
PM me offer if interested.
Still selling. |
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Broken gear get's sent back to the manufacturer for a replacement if it's unrepairable and during the downtime the loss of hash rate would be shared among all shareholders until it is repaired or replaced by the manufacturer. "Obsolete" gear can be sold on ebay usually for more then market price /gh I believe because people on ebay are either dumb or ok with the paying a bit more because they can buy it easily with fiat. The proceded for the sale gets added to the RIF meaning less shares would need to be sold for the next gen gear and that sale benefits all current share holders.
I don't see any better sides compared to option #1 + reinvestment. It has absolutely same benefits, as you mentioned. But if you buy shares of ants hardware and in 4 years they broke down and Bitmine got shut down/bought by another company/etc, then you will pay for your buying. Not somebody else, who has no idea, why he should pay for your buying. |
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I'm trying to figure out where I screwed up.
R1: 3Ths for $10000 = $3.33/gh 300 shares 10Gh each $33.33/share
R2: 10Ths for $10000 = $1/gh $5000 RIF + $5000 raises by selling 150 shares at $33.33 each 13000GHs/450shares = 28Gh/share $1.17/gh
Hmmm...
R2 revised "The Complicated Way": $5k from R1 RIF money and $5k from 150 300 new shares at $33 $16 in R2 money each round gets 5Ths to split so R1 members now have 26Ghs/share and R2 members now have 33Ghs 16Ghs/share.
Double Hmmm...
I think I need to go back to 10th grade to understand but I think there's a way you can structure the number of new shares and the cost of each new share to balance everything out.
EDIT:
R2 Revise again "Te easy way": sell 192 shares at $26 each and now everyone has 26GHs.
Done!!! Take that Mr. 10 grade math teacher guy!!! LOL
Good job  You passed "earlier" obstacle. There is exactly only 1 number of shares per situation, where you can balance single round to make it at least the same as other ppl will offer. Too many things should match. And it should run with organizer with good math. Now compare it with option #1 + same reinvestment. Add "5Ths for 5000$" machine in market (same $/gh rate). .. Exactly the same  Both rounds have 26 GHs per share. But now you can open rounds with any ammount of shares and any hardware. And you don't need math skills to balance everything out each time. Back to option #3. What happens if hardware broke? Or became inefficient to mine (high W/GH) and can only be sold under market $/GHs rate. How to balance everything out? Somebody should pay for it.. New shareholders (overpriced shares) or old shareholders (steal from RIF) or some poor guy on eBay, who has bad knowledge of btc hardware or it should go from organizer wallet.. Which path will you go? People in later rounds will buy shares, that include obsolete gear. With absolutely no better sides compared to other GBs or option #1 + reinvestment. |
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You buy in another group buy and after 3-4 months your investment is done. How much is that share worth as of month 5 or 6? Nothing.
Again, another group buy offers absolutely same rules and reinvestment details as your group buy. These shares worth same as your group buy shares. But they offer 150 GHs for 30$ at start (for comparison to your 110 GHs 30$). Then, their R2 shares will rise to 200 GHs, while your R4 shares will rise to 155 GHs. Then, their R3 shares will rise to 300 GHs, while your R5 shares will rise to 250 GHs. Another company pop up with 30$ for 350 GHs shares. It's just the example, but you should get the point. These problems you could meet in future and come to the point where you couldn't open new rounds. Basically your argument of why this won't work is because someone else could offer the exact same thing, but make it a better deal somehow? Isn't that true of ANY group buy anywhere, where someone else could sell the same hardware cheaper? Yes, they can and will sell shares/hardware cheaper because they dont have old investors and have access to the new hardware. It's hidden trap, that will need to be passed somehow. Look at tripppn example. Try to make any other example. In most examples you will see how people at the start will have most profit, while people at the end will buy overpriced shares. |
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You buy in another group buy and after 3-4 months your investment is done. How much is that share worth as of month 5 or 6? Nothing.
Again, another group buy offers absolutely same rules and reinvestment details as your group buy. These shares worth same as your group buy shares. But they offer 150 GHs for 30$ at start (for comparison to your 110 GHs 30$). They can make it, because they don't have old investors and have access to new hardware. Then, their R2 shares will rise to 200 GHs, while your R4 shares will rise to 155 GHs. Then, their R3 shares will rise to 300 GHs, while your R5 shares will rise to 250 GHs. Another company pop up with 30$ for 350 GHs shares. It's just the example, but you should get the point. These problems you could meet in future and come to the point where you couldn't open new rounds. |
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@tripppn, In your example both R2 and R3 have overpriced shares. Can you make another example, where shares won't be overpriced (and hardware will be sold at market GH/$ rate)?
How is $30 for 110Ghs overpriced? In the example if the equipment costs $10k for 50THs that's exactly what the Ghs is being sold at when broken down. We don't know the cost/ghs is in 4 months so I'm throwing numbers out there. Would it satisfy you is in R3 The KnC X2 is 100THs for 10k so now everyone is getting 200Ghs for $30??? Of Maybe the X2 is 1PHs and everyone gets 1 Ths for $30... Who knows. We don't know what hardware will cost at that time but in my example no one is being overcharged for shares when it's the exact same price as the equipment when it's all added up. That would just be simple market value. In first example, $30 for 110 GHs is overpriced because it is 0.27$/GH. At the same time $10k for 50 THs is selling for 0.2$/GH. 0.27$/GH > 0.2$/GH. People will go in another group buy, that offers absolutely same shares/rules, but 150 GHs per 30$ share. Second example in your post. 100 THs for $10k. Market value 0.1$/GH. R3 now offers 200 GHs per share at price of 30$. It is 0.15$/GH. Which is overpriced, because you can buy 0.1$/GH on market/GB/another mining operation. That's the problem with the way you're thinking about this...
You wouldn't be buying a set number of GH/$
You'd be buying into a mining organization that pays out regular dividends to shareholders, with the goal of dividends + the price you eventually sell the share for being greater than your initial investment. This isn't a short-term 2-3 month deal where you hope to make a bunch of cash and it's over, it's ongoing. But these mining organizations will pop up and offer better deals, because they will have new hardware and won't have old investors (as I mentioned in previous posts). If you can make example, where they won't have better deals (your shares won't be overpriced), it would be appreciated. |
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@tripppn, In your example both R2 and R3 have overpriced shares. Can you make another example, where shares won't be overpriced (and hardware will be sold at market GH/$ rate)?
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This is overpriced shares. You can find much higher dividends hardware/GB for 0.5 BTC today. This model will live as long, as you could find investors, who will buy overpriced shares.
You're not taking into account the value of the share itself, its inherent ability to be resold, and the fact that unlike group-buys where you're strictly concerned with $/GH/s, this isn't a one-time, 3-months-and-it's-over sort of deal Somebody (Asicminerr #2) could pop up today and say: "Hey! I'm selling 0.5 BTC shares with 0.04 dividends." Can he? Yes, hardware allows. Do shares have ability to be resold? Yes. Do Asicminer shares overpriced? Yes. Do his shares overpriced? At the moment no. But when he will try to open new rounds, he will end up with fundamental problems earlier or later (overpriced new shares or "steal from reinvestment funds"* to avoid it), that I was trying to explain in last posts. Again, due to obsolete of hardware. If there will be no new rounds. Everything will work fine. PS *steal - means (for example) take 10 BTC from reinvestment funds to buy 5 BTC hardware. |
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