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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] New MEGACOIN [mec] GIVEAWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: December 03, 2013, 01:15:34 PM
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2  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Only 500 persons owns 36% of all bitcoins? on: December 02, 2013, 08:33:59 PM
I found this really interesting

http://bitcoinrichlist.com/charts/bitcoin-distribution-by-address

The table shows how many wallets contain a certain number of bitcoins. Obviously one person can own more than one wallet but I find it interesting that there is less than 1,500 wallets with more than 1,000 bitcoins in them. Shows that there probably isn't all that many people who have gotten ridiculously rich off bitcoin yet, despite all the stories you hear.

In fact if some of those 1,500 wallets belong to the same person, diversifying their risk of a wallet breach it is even less.

Well those are addresses not wallets.  Unless you intentionally consolidate coins a wallet will contain a large number of addresses.

So for example someone had a wallet with 1,000 active addresses and the average balance per address was 10 BTC they wouldn't be even on the top 100,000 address list but they would still have 10,000 BTC.  Another thing to consider is that most likely when a single large early adopter sells off a large amount of BTC it is being bought up by multiple parties so distribution to a larger base occurs.

As pointed out above most wallets use a new address for each tx and don't reuse addresses, and send all change to a new address so unless you intentionally "send coins to yourself" to consolidate it you won't end up with a few large value addresses.  The main purpose for those massive addresses is offline storage.

Say you are MtGox and users have deposited 500,000 BTC.  You know that on your highest volume day the net outflows (BTC withdrawn - BTC deposited) is 10,000 BTC it makes absolutely no sense to keep 500,000 BTC online where they can be stolen.  You can move 400,000+ BTC offline likely in single large tx and you may not need to move them to an online (hot) wallet for months, maybe years.  If the exchange remains popular and growing you may never need to move those coins online ever again. 

There are a lot of entities which act as a bailor (google it) for other people's coins.   Exchanges, the Bitcoin trust, Bitcoin ETF, Bitpay, and yes the SilkRoad (now in the hands of the DOJ).  Those entities don't "own" the coins they are holding them on behalf of someone else.  Now they certainly can steal them (and people should be aware of the counterparty risk) but for example if one (or dozens) of those top 500 addresses is MtGox cold storage address it doesn't represent the wealth of a single person (or even single company) it represents the entrusted wealth of thousands maybe tens of thousands of users.


Thanks for that insight, so would there be anyway of knowing how many users of bitcoin there are if these are just addresses, presumably if the average person has multiple addresses there are about 1 million on that table with non-negligible amounts in them, that would suggest there are far fewer than 1 million users globally despite all the press-coverage it is getting atm.
3  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Safest way to make 2.5 BTC into 5 BTC within 6 month? on: December 02, 2013, 08:21:31 PM
I think a lot of the alt-currencies will have big upswings as people look to diversify some of their massive btc gains, I'm not sure how many of them are viable in the long term but if you look at the pull back we just had in most of them of around 30% to even 70% in some cases you could imagine they will rebound and increase massively against btc even if only for a few days or weeks.

But if you're looking to double your money just pick a few, don't put too much into them and then sell once they've doubled (if they double). You could easily see movement like that in a few days. I think some of the coins went up around 7 times more than btc in the last few days, but like I said have now crashed. Its about timing and not getting too greedy. Good luck if you go down that route.
4  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Only 500 persons owns 36% of all bitcoins? on: December 02, 2013, 08:07:02 PM
I found this really interesting

http://bitcoinrichlist.com/charts/bitcoin-distribution-by-address

The table shows how many wallets contain a certain number of bitcoins. Obviously one person can own more than one wallet but I find it interesting that there is less than 1,500 wallets with more than 1,000 bitcoins in them. Shows that there probably isn't all that many people who have gotten ridiculously rich off bitcoin yet, despite all the stories you hear.

In fact if some of those 1,500 wallets belong to the same person, diversifying their risk of a wallet breach it is even less.
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