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501  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine Coin | Rare | Mining Transaction Fee Proof of Concept on: July 13, 2014, 10:32:41 AM
Cross posting this:

We have an offer to be added to a large upcoming multipool system that will allow payouts in PMP.
The downside is we will be paying fees to a multipool not controlled by the team. This means we will basically be paying a 1% (or whatever their fees are) premine to the multipool operator. The benefit is we won't have to worry about irregular payouts due to low hashrates.

Feedback appreciated.


It seems like a better thing to have than not have, in my opinion.
502  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How we crypto-geeks get it wrong & the reality of altcoin success. on: July 12, 2014, 05:44:31 PM
99.9% of users of altcoins only care about one thing; Bitcoin.

That's why most alts fail. It doesn't matter how innovative the coin is, if it gains in value, there's enough people to drive it to the ground. It happens time and time again.

If you wanted a coin to have any long term value, you'd keep it off exchanges, and focus entirely on building infrastructure to use the coin directly for purchasing goods and services.

VERY well said, some great points there.

The #1 objective for most users, whether they're miners, devs, speculators, etc is to increase their wealth in Bitcoins. Altcoins are a means of achieving this and that's pretty much all it seems to boil down to as far as altcoins are concerned.

Nobody wants to admit it, because everyone wants to protect their assets. I was very enthusiastic when I first joined the cryptocurrency community. I got involved in a lot of promising coins. They all suffered the same fate. They rised, and then they crashed. Most altcoins aren't about innovation. They're about novelty. To make it seem like they're worth something. What's feeding a lot of these coins is the mindset that they will continue to go up in value. That's why coins with new features are so popular.

A lot of people also make the mistake in thinking coins that have died were inherently flawed, or had something wrong with them. In some cases, yes, but in most cases it's simply a matter of what I've explained above. Eventually the dumping begins, and the coin goes into a downward spiral. There are just way too many altcoins to support. People mine, dump and move on. The people who end up financially better off are the ones who know when to dump the coin and move on, while time and time again, I see people holding out hope that the price will go back up. So many bagholders, all caught in this disillusion that their currency will rise again. In 99% cases, they don't, and this is how people profit. They leave you holding the bag, while they're left holding the bitcoin.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that is the cold honest truth. Take it from someone who's seen it time and time again. Anyone who tells you otherwise either doesn't understand the way things work here, or is intentionally lying to you. Ever heard of penny stock scams? People will tell you the sky is green if it means they can make a profit from it. A collective group of bag holders, all telling one another their worthless currency is worth something, while others swoop in, mine those coins, and dump them.

That said, there are a small, and I mean very small selection of coins that may have future value. If your coin is less than a couple of months old, then it's 99% unlikely to be that coin. Any coin that can last six months, or a year, and still be left standing has value. Most new coins die. That's a fact. There are more and more coins, further and further diluting the market. Further stretching the bitcoin support across them. They're just penny stocks. The money will always be in bitcoin, or perhaps the top handful of coins beneath it in terms of market share. Everything else is temporary.
503  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How we crypto-geeks get it wrong & the reality of altcoin success. on: July 12, 2014, 03:14:36 PM
99.9% of users of altcoins only care about one thing; Bitcoin.

That's why most alts fail. It doesn't matter how innovative the coin is, if it gains in value, there's enough people to drive it to the ground. It happens time and time again.

If you wanted a coin to have any long term value, you'd keep it off exchanges, and focus entirely on building infrastructure to use the coin directly for purchasing goods and services.
504  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 11, 2014, 08:12:43 AM
Either they'll admit that they can't produce the units, and let the shitstorm commence, or judging by the way they behave, come up with some elaborate BS as to why the units are going to be delayed for a few more months. I'm willing to bet it's the latter.

At this stage, I'm expecting them to string people along as much as possible, until it's too late for them to get refunds, or to form an angry mob. The stone walling, the cryptic responses, and the lack of any sort of defence all adds up. Personally, if it were me, I'd be cutting my losses.

just shoot a missile on the company building

~CfA~

Looking at the state of the "company building", a strong gale would probably knock it down. For a company that's taken so much money to have what amounts to a grubby little corner shop just speaks volumes.
505  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 11, 2014, 08:10:27 AM
Either they'll admit that they can't produce the units, and let the shitstorm commence, or judging by the way they behave, come up with some elaborate BS as to why the units are going to be delayed for a few more months. I'm willing to bet it's the latter.

At this stage, I'm expecting them to string people along as much as possible, until it's too late for them to get refunds, or to form an angry mob. The stone walling, the cryptic responses, and the lack of any sort of defence all adds up. Personally, if it were me, I'd be cutting my losses. But that's just my opinion of the situation. I was sceptical from the start.
506  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What would U do if CryptoCoins made U very rich? on: July 11, 2014, 08:06:19 AM
Invest it all in IPOs and altcoins.

lel
507  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares IPO : get in if u r smart ! on: July 07, 2014, 01:16:41 PM
Who's going to buy it after launch?

Well that's it, really, isn't it? It sounds like a great investment, but have any companies actually pledged to use it? Do many companies even know about it?

It doesn't matter one iota that there's a lot of investor interest if there's next to no business interest.
508  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin Good Bye! R.I.P on: July 05, 2014, 09:41:20 PM
All this has happened before, and all this will happen again!


LTC/BTC



Glad to see someone is defending against the fud of bad market speculators.
509  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 04, 2014, 11:16:40 AM
Actually, you signed a contract that specifically states you are NOT entitled to compensation for their negligence. 

But if it contradicts consumer law, then the contract isn't valid. That's like saying you can commit a criminal act just because a contract says you can. It's erroneous. Their legal team blurb is nonsense. You take their T&Cs to a real lawyer and they'll tear it apart.

I realize that here in the USA contract law tends to be much stricter than in other parts of the world.  Even so, I would be very curious what part of UK law you are referring to when you say such a clause is illegal.  Do you actually have a law in mind (and if so, which one) or are you just talking out of your ass?  Again, I realize this is coming from the USA and not the UK, but virtually every warranty you get here specifically excludes compensation for incidental damages (example, you buy a server and it breaks.  They can be made to pay for the server, but not the money you lost from not having a working server).  They have been consistently upheld by the courts, and in most cases so have TOSs.  Now we do know that UK law makes their clause about no returns illegal, but I would be very surprised if you had a law that makes it illegal to bar incidental damages.  I'm always willing to learn though, which law do you speak of?

But see here is the thing, and this is why this sort of shit continues to happen.  Now, I will be the first to say these AT guys are a bunch of scumbags.  In fact, I HAVE been saying it the whole time.  But at the same time, isn't there at least some level of personal responsibility that goes into this?  I mean, you read a contract where they write right into the contract that they can purposefully rip you off and they are not responsible, legal or illegal, that didn't give anyone pause before sending them thousands of dollars?  The fact that exactly 0 of these preorders have ever gone well for the customer, that didn't give anyone pause?  I mean, GAW miners just released yet another one of these preorders about a week ago and I have seen some of the same people who got ripped off here, post over there that they preordered from them.  It's like, wtf really?

Well, I don't know about the US law, but in the UK, under the sales & goods act, the product has to be fit for purpose. If it breaks because it's a piece of badly made garbage, then the product does not meet your expectations, and is therefore covered under that condition. If the product specifications do not match what's been advertised, again, same principle applies.


USA laws are tough but currently not being enforced....Butterfly Labs has been 10 months behind on both 65mm and current 28mm products consistently since around nov 2012....w/o out any enforcement ..money talks in usa ....so likely alpha and others looked at hashfast / bfl / etc and figured they had little to lose if it all went 'poof' in the nite..they are likely correct at least in usa

Searing


Where do the units ship from? That determines which laws they fall under, right?
510  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 04, 2014, 11:03:43 AM
Actually, you signed a contract that specifically states you are NOT entitled to compensation for their negligence.  

But if it contradicts consumer law, then the contract isn't valid. That's like saying you can commit a criminal act just because a contract says you can. It's erroneous. Their legal team blurb is nonsense. You take their T&Cs to a real lawyer and they'll tear it apart.

I realize that here in the USA contract law tends to be much stricter than in other parts of the world.  Even so, I would be very curious what part of UK law you are referring to when you say such a clause is illegal.  Do you actually have a law in mind (and if so, which one) or are you just talking out of your ass?  Again, I realize this is coming from the USA and not the UK, but virtually every warranty you get here specifically excludes compensation for incidental damages (example, you buy a server and it breaks.  They can be made to pay for the server, but not the money you lost from not having a working server).  They have been consistently upheld by the courts, and in most cases so have TOSs.  Now we do know that UK law makes their clause about no returns illegal, but I would be very surprised if you had a law that makes it illegal to bar incidental damages.  I'm always willing to learn though, which law do you speak of?

But see here is the thing, and this is why this sort of shit continues to happen.  Now, I will be the first to say these AT guys are a bunch of scumbags.  In fact, I HAVE been saying it the whole time.  But at the same time, isn't there at least some level of personal responsibility that goes into this?  I mean, you read a contract where they write right into the contract that they can purposefully rip you off and they are not responsible, legal or illegal, that didn't give anyone pause before sending them thousands of dollars?  The fact that exactly 0 of these preorders have ever gone well for the customer, that didn't give anyone pause?  I mean, GAW miners just released yet another one of these preorders about a week ago and I have seen some of the same people who got ripped off here, post over there that they preordered from them.  It's like, wtf really?

Well, I don't know about the US law, but in the UK, under the sales & goods act, the product has to be fit for purpose. If it breaks because it's a piece of badly made garbage, then the product does not meet your expectations, and is therefore covered under that condition. If the product specifications do not match what's been advertised, again, same principle applies.

You're right in that responsibility ends at that point, and that you can't really claim for damages caused as a result of the product not being fit for purpose, but the seller is entirely responsible for product doing what is expected of it.
511  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 04, 2014, 10:10:02 AM
Actually, you signed a contract that specifically states you are NOT entitled to compensation for their negligence. 

But if it contradicts consumer law, then the contract isn't valid. That's like saying you can commit a criminal act just because a contract says you can. It's erroneous. Their legal team blurb is nonsense. You take their T&Cs to a real lawyer and they'll tear it apart.
512  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 02, 2014, 01:28:10 PM
I think what a lot of it boils down to is many people used coins to prepay, and probably feel the deposit loss isn't worth following up. People just shrug it off and keep mining, and that's how many of these scams and failed startups get away with virtual highway robbery.

Exactly.  This will lead to them shutting down and moving on.

Which is exactly what I expect to happen now. I think this is why they're not bothering to defend themselves any more here. The writing is on the wall. They want to ensure as little fuss as possible when they drop the bomb.
513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 01, 2014, 02:21:36 PM
Just don't be one of those people who doesn't see the writing on the wall, here.
514  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PMC] Premine Coin | Rare | Mining Transaction Fee Proof of Concept on: June 30, 2014, 06:36:19 PM
Ok guys,
made some progress with the wallet.
heres what i've got so far.



Sorry its very slow going because I'm learning as I go  Lips sealed
Having trouble getting a proper lock/unlock toggle going so I just made two seperate buttons for now.
Figured out console crash bug.
Progress, yay!



I like it. If I'm being completely honest though, I don't like the "PREMINE" font at all. The rest looks great, though. It's just that the font doesn't really fit in with everything else.
515  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 30, 2014, 11:02:16 AM
Time and time again on these forums, people choose to ignore the signs and instead rely on hope. Burying your head in the sand isn't going to make things any better.

Personally, I don't think Alpha-T set out to scam anyone, I just think they've gotten in way over their heads, and with the refunds, chargebacks, and so on, they can't actually afford to meet the deadlines they've promised. I think they're way behind. But hey, that's just my gut instinct. At best they're behind. At worst they've already given up.

I would be amazed if they started shipping by the end of the month. In fact I fully expect an announcement of some technical blah about delays at some point.

Their T&Cs are horrendous, and I question the legality of a lot of it.
516  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will 1000 colossuscoin reach 1 US$ one day? on: June 25, 2014, 11:32:34 AM
No.

The coin is still broken, even after all this time they said it would be fixed. I regret ever buying them.
517  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT is dying and dying fast! on: June 24, 2014, 09:53:46 AM
Seems legit.
518  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [GIVE TROLLCOIN A 2ND LOOK & GET LAID TONITE] [MANDATORY UPDATE to 1.2] on: June 22, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
For such an active community coin, it's seems a little odd that it's not really on any exchanges. Not that I can see in the OP, anyway. Cryptokopen isn't really an exchange in the conventional sense.
519  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ★★ EBT Coin - Entropybit 100% PoS - Multipool - Premined Burned ★★ on: June 21, 2014, 09:04:39 PM
What's the current PoS rate on this? How long does it take to stake? Is there a max coin cap? I'm assuming staking is Novacoin (NVCS) or difficulty based? Thank you.

It will be max 100% PoS starting in July. All that information is in the OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437660.msg4808962#msg4808962

Also, there is no coin limit for PoS coins, by necessity.


So it's inflationary, but predictable.
520  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] PowerBTC - A New Standard In Cryptocurrency Investing (PONZI! :D ) on: June 21, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
what's this?

The last people to pay in pay the people the above them, until there are an unsustainable amount of people to pay, and so the final payers are left holding the bag.

It's a form of gambling.
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