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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 10% The key to bitcoin acceptance? on: July 27, 2011, 10:13:06 PM
10% seems like an awful lot for bitcoin to achieve in our lifetime...
2  Economy / Economics / Re: Time Value of Bitcoin on: July 25, 2011, 01:50:22 AM
What is the time value of bitcoin?

Please, only respond if you know what you're talking about.


I am sorry that very few people actually understood what you were asking. lol.
However, previous posters are correct.
There is no objective way of quantifying the 'time value of bitcoin'

'Time value of money' is a gauging of the opportunity cost of spending or saving your money. It is generally benchmarked at current long-term bond yields, such as the US 10-year and 30-year treasury notes. One cannot do the same for bitcoin, because there is no central bank with discount rates, or treasuries that use OMO (open-market operations).
Generally, if you put $1000 into your wallet, it stays there unchanged. You can invest in a mutual fund and expect to get 8-12% returns per year (though your money is not guarantee to appreciate).

You cannot calculate the 'time value of money'... because it would be like the 'time value of a google stock'. It is speculative in nature, and events could shift either the buyers or the sellers to want either less or more.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When robots attack on: July 23, 2011, 08:25:05 PM
I agree that there has to be created a better algorithm for trading online... one that is more stable than what we have now, but one that is also fair to all parties partaking in the market.

Question is... how can we do this?
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: US Dollar maybe shit aug 2nd GO BITCOIN watch video on: July 19, 2011, 02:54:24 AM

It's not a chart, but it tells you in order who the biggest holders of US debt are.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This is everything Bitcoin should not, and cannot be. on: July 19, 2011, 02:50:02 AM
Sadly, their page design is more polished than many (legitimate) Bitcoin sites I've encountered.
yeah it's sad but true
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dwolla E-mails on: July 19, 2011, 02:06:30 AM
The e-mail was sent via " "

So... definitely suspicious
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / This is everything Bitcoin should not, and cannot be. on: July 19, 2011, 01:47:36 AM
I recently saw a tweet referring to

I read through and was immediately thinking how bad this is for Bitcoin, and Bitcoin's image.
One of those "Get your friends to sign up and you get 20% of what they get!"
This really DOES make Bitcoin look like a pyramid scheme, but I know it's not.
"Sign up and start earning FREE bitcoins!"

I don't like this at all.

If you are the owner of, please tell us your side of the story.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin - photoshop - on: July 17, 2011, 11:31:49 PM
good thread
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Duality of Bitcoin on: July 17, 2011, 11:21:12 PM

Excuse the rudeness and the all caps.
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Duality of Bitcoin on: July 17, 2011, 02:43:42 PM

PS: I believe we need a Philosophy subforum.  Wink


But yes I agree. It seems Bitcoin seems to appeal to two fringe groups with one sub-group: libertarians, computer geeks (subsection: computer geeks who like drugs)
Given the world that we live in, we have to get the ENTREPRENEURS to understand the value of Bitcoin. We can't just tell them what it is, chances are they won't understand 95% of it. Unless they are entrepreneurs who specialize in computer/internet related business.

First we have to explain the WHY. Why is Bitcoin good for society, business, culture, etc. As much as I hate to say this, you can't start off that conversation with "Because it is an alternative to the corrupt FED-printed fiat currency we use today! They are robbing you through inflation, taxation, etc!" Be more subtle, try to relate more to the middle of the spectrum.

Second we explain the HOW. How does Bitcoin help business? Because, essentially, money exists for three purposes: Medium of exchange, storage of value, and a common unit of accounting for value.
Bitcoin is good for business and society because it does away with the percentage fees that most credit cards and banking institutions impose. It is also useful because you will not need an entire department of bookkeepers just to stay on track of your money. You can't forge money, because the whole network is "aware" of transactions taking place. Theoretically, if someone were to calculate all the transactions to all the addresses since the inception of Bitcoin, they could tell you exactly how many Bitcoins have been sent and received to each address, and with this knowledge they can guess how much BTC each address is holding right this moment (of course this is a monumental task better left to a machine).

Third why explain the WHAT. What does this mean for me, my business, my country, etc. From the entrepreneurial point of view, this is where you tell them you can send money oversees without having to exchange currencies at a hefty fee. Tell them about the credit cards skimming 5% off of each transaction. If they are interested, this is where you rant on about your libertarian, cryptoanarchistic tendencies (DO NOT mention this in the WHY). Only mention it in the WHAT and ONLY IF your audience will take it kindly.
11  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What percent of Bitcoins are used for unethical things on: July 13, 2011, 05:51:22 PM

Same percentage of the M1 USD money supply that is used for "unethical things"

There are many libertarians here. So things like selling/buying illegal things, cheating your taxes, and other such contraptions would not be really thought of as "unethical"
I doubt many BitCoiners are using it for slavery and sex trafficking..
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: List of hacked MTGox accounts? on: July 03, 2011, 05:53:30 PM
yes there is, but i'm too lazy to link you. it's ancient history anyway... are you looking for an address-book for some spam you wanna mass send?
13  Other / Off-topic / Re: Priceless WikiLeaks Ad on: July 02, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to let people know? on: June 28, 2011, 12:26:07 AM
A good starting point is getting yourself off the "Newbies" board, and post a decent-looking post in "Bitcoin Discussion" and also "Marketplace"

A Bitcoin sales pitch.

Also, you should get your company a twitter, and start TWEETING YOUR BALLS OFF. Every tweet containing the hastag #bitcoin, of course.
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin will be bigger than The Bible on: June 28, 2011, 12:06:48 AM
Seems like we have a disciple of Rousseau on our hands

16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Gox is up on: June 26, 2011, 05:39:46 PM
As on 18:37 GMT, June 26, Mt Gox is up and running with a trade volume of 4 at the moment.

Let's put this whole thing behind us.

Edit 1: I been Gox'd. No trades.
17  Other / Meta / Re: Suggestion: Security subforum on: June 24, 2011, 06:23:44 PM

I don't understand why there wasn't one from the beginning... considering this valuable virtuable goods.
18  Other / Meta / Re: Suggestion: "Best of Forum" subforum on: June 24, 2011, 06:17:28 PM
agreed +1
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price is too high at 20$/BTC on: June 23, 2011, 11:52:47 PM

These are the other side's fantasy. The other side being the opponents of OP in this debate.
20  Economy / Economics / Re: When do you expect and when do you want BTC to go over 30 bucks again? on: June 23, 2011, 08:05:13 PM
This is why the Economics board is a joke... this thread..
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