I think you miss the point, Ver & Wu are never going to give up on Bitcoin Cash,
Ver thrown his reputation behind it , the only way to clear up the slander , is to prove he was right and Bitcoin Cash Crushes Bitcoin Core.
You guys have really left him no choice with your constant insults of the man.

Wu knows that the mining rewards drop in 2020 by half and makes the miners more dependent on transaction fees.
Wu has no intention of running an LN Hub and becoming a minion of the Banking cartels, he is putting his money where his mouth is,
and everyone seems to forget he can subsidize Bitcoin Cash with a fraction of his Bitcoin Core earning forever and none of you can stop him.
Everytime you buy a bitcoin core coin, that Wu created, you are directly funding Bitcoin Cash Continued Existence.  

Bitcoin Cash can survive if Bitcoin Core dies as the miners are planning to switch and death spiral bitcoin core sometime after 2020,
in the meantime they get free funding to consolidate more Bitcoin Cash Coins in their accounts before the flippening.  

That is their plan, and Bitcoin Core supporters really has no way to stop them ,
unless they change algorithms immediately, but that could also hasten the flippening once the miners feel threatened.  

There Can Be Only One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3VeogFUOs 

You know with the comments that keep coming from the so called stock trading genius types.

Is it any wonder, the old stock guys are seeming more like crooks & fools every day.
Stock investment money is flowing into crypto and it scares the hell out of them.

I quit trading stocks, because of the scams they were pulling with high speed trading.
At least in Crypto , their high speed trading scams can't happen. They actually have to buy or sell to affect the price.

Fix that for you.  

Maybe we should just rename all of them to remove bitcoin and stop people from getting confused.
That was the solution BCore Supporters wanted for BCASH, lets do it to all of them  including BCORE, make life easier for everyone. 
BAtom
BCore
BCash
BDark
BDiamond
BFast
BGod
BGold
BGreen
BInterest
BPlanet
BPlus
BPrivate
BScrypt
BX
BZ

My coin price has been more stable than your coin , and your ignorance won't change that.
Also my coin has a large enough quantity to be used globally and not be priced out of normal people usage.
My coin still has a utility for micro payments, you know the utility your coin lost.

Proof of Work is a failed design, as many communities are starting to ban it because of it's insane energy drain.

Believe what you want, but if bitcoin core falls below $2000 at last count , it will be below production costs and then let's see what happens.

In 2020 , your PoW Miners take a massive hit, Half of their profits out the door.
But their input costs are only increasing.
http://www.bitcoinblockhalf.com/

FYI:  My so-called flawed Coin has Outperformed your coin as an investment during the same time period.  

Proof of Stake Flaw was fixed by zeitcoin, by moving to an Ultra Low Inflation rate of .0005% per year.
This removed your rich getting richer flaw.  
All Proof of Stake Coins, act as Full Nodes distributing the ledger and processing transactions by staking.

Bitcoin has yet to fix the ever increasing Proof of Work input costs require to run the network.
At some point, if the price of the coin decreases below production cost, the miners shut down and the network freezes.

Proof of Stake Energy Efficiently protects it from that scenario.

Ok,
Lets remove the bitcoin reward since it is dropping every 4 years anyway.

Bitcoin Core Miner makes $1 per transaction , lets say he has 2000 transactions per block , so he make $2000 per block.

LN activates and 1500 of those transactions are lost to LN. Cutting the Bitcoin Miner down to $500 per block.

LN Hub require additional resources especially extra bandwidth and DDOS protections, so that adds to the miner monthly costs.

But here is a little tidbit, LN hubs will require additional licenses at the low end a money transmitter license at the high end and most likely a Bank License,
either way LN Hubs will be forced to comply with the US AML/KYC regulations.
So lets say the miner was actually able to satisfy those requirements at no additional costs (which to be honest, they won't be able to afford a banking license).

They activate their LN Hub, but none of the other hubs will make channels with them, so they don't make any money from LN fees.
The Reason is the Big Players like Banking Cartels have purchased a large % of Bitcoin Core's coins, and are creating channels with other banks owned LN hubs.  
(Centralization at work)

So the Bitcoin Core Miner is no longer able to afford to run his warehouse full of energy sucking asics and goes out of business.

The Banking Cartels open a small asics operation, which they run at a loss, but using their profits from LN fees, it is essentially free for them to run it.

The above is the basic plan of how the Banking Cartels will Dominate Bitcoin Core using LN.

Do you mean?
The Churn Rate is the annual percentage rate at which customers stop subscribing to a service.

In Answer to your question read the post right below this one.
But Basically once the Banking Cartels have run the Bitcoin Core Miners out of business and they are the only ones running asics to keep the chain barely moving.
They Will Jack up the ONCHAIN Fees to the point , you can't afford to move the coins and they will seize it as dust or you spend it all in their LN network to avoid the onchain fee.
Since they can move it for free, they will continue consolidating their dominance of Bitcoin Core.  

@JollyGood

The Original bitcoin was left behind in a fork, whether you like it or not their is no simple bitcoin only anymore.
Their was No Unified Migration to a single code. The Community like the code Fractured!

Bitcoin Cash & Bitcoin Core are both forks from the original chain with the same mining algorithm, you can never say one of them is the only bitcoin unless the other dies.
And until one of those forks die, and the communities unify behind a single code upgrade, they are all ALTCOINS.  

Bitcoin Atom
Bitcoin Core
Bitcoin Cash
Bitcoin Dark
Bitcoin Diamond    
Bitcoin Fast
Bitcoin God
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin Green
Bitcoin Interest
Bitcoin Planet
Bitcoin Plus
Bitcoin Private
Bitcoin Scrypt
Bitcoin X  
Bitcoin Z

ZEITCOIN   aka  ZEIT
zeit-coin.net
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/zeitcoin/

Ultra Low Inflation Rate  , less than 500 new coins per day
Energy Efficient
High Transaction Capacity 20X old bitcoin capacity
Over 4 years old and still going
Over 15 Trading pairs for arbitrage trading

https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/zeitcoin-prediction    

If you become a Billionaire, you can share a few bucks.

What do you say when Bitcoin goes down and your friends and family sell low and lose money?

No matter if bitcoin shoots back up, your friends and family will still hate you.

Not Everyone can be a trader and earn money, 80% just follow the crowd and lose money.

There is money & family , never confuse the two, that is a good way to lose both.

My Choice:
Zeitcoin has been more stable than Bitcoin for the past few months.
So my plan , is move more into zeitcoins as Bitcoin keeps dropping.

Zeitcoin is not reliant on the Chinese ASIC Miners, it has multiple exchanges and it's user base can keep it going , no matter what happens to it's price.

Due to Bitcoin's excessive energy usage to keep the network running, at some point the price falls too low and the miners can no longer afford to mine,

Zeitcoin's Energy Efficiently protects it from that scenario. 

zeit-coin.net came up normally from a US & Europe IP.   

And you are clueless to how LN works.

Those 1000txs Offchain will not pay you a penny unless someone cashes out at the end onchain.
But up that number to millions/billions of transactions offchain that you never see a penny for.

The Fact is LN Goal is to Eventually Lock ALL bitcoins in place and only use the LN network, the same way our crappy fiat system works.

If you are really a miner , then you are a fool to support LN as it's primary objective is to put you out of work.

Just letting you know you are going to need a new job if LN succeeds, so better start looking now.  

Oh, and if you actually think you are going to run a giant LN Hub,  you better have the resources to buy a banking license and submit to all KYC regulations , because the US Gov. is going to be so far up your butt, you will be a hand puppet.  So much for the freedom satoshi hoped for.  

Start thinking now, if all transactions occur offchain for even 6 months at a time, how long can you afford to keep buying new asics and keep the electricity running.
Not Long,  I wager.

Panic selling happens, because people don't really believe in the coin fundamentals.

You're playing with the crowd momentum and not directly off of your own profit margins and individual ideas.

1.  Invest only what you can afford to lose
2.  Selling to lock in a profit is smart.  
3.  Patience is the Key ingredient, think in years as your profit goals.
4.  Reevaluate your decisions based off of technical changes not because of Market Changes (That should be irreverent except for profit taking.)
5.  Decide your Profit Margin, 1.5X,2X or 100X original investment  , higher the # the longer your hold time.
 
If you can look at the market data and not become emotional, that is best.
But if you are emotional type, after choosing a coin you believe in only look at it on a yearly or biyearly basis to reevaluate the coin's fundamentals.

Funny how you can't answer a simple question.

Enjoy your mindless hate mongering.

(Here's Your Sign)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjelRDKHUk

Exactly how, he lists Cash & Core?

Show me 1 Experienced User that claims he was too stupid to know the difference between Cash & Core.
Because I have a hard time believing these people are as stupid as you claim.

I think more likely ,
you have some that just really hate Ver, which means they know the difference, and a few others that just thought they would get a payday from a class action suit, so they lied.

Why you want to claim these people are complete morons is beyond me.

Well the Lawsuit been dropped because it was scam, and any lawyer could tell you it was a losing case.
So who among the supporters of the failed lawsuit, wants to come out of the stupid closet and admit they are a moron,
so we know to bubble wrap them so they don't hurt themselves in future endeavors.  

(Here's Your Sign)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjelRDKHUk

Guy ,  the wallet down load supports Cash & Core, did you even bother to look at his site before making up lies.
Waybackmachine confirmed it say the same back in Jan.

Or were you too lazy to even read the post directly above yours.  

Did you actually bother to download the wallet before you make blanket statements.
Because I just looked at the wallet download and it states

And before anyone tries to lie, it said the exact same thing according to the wayback machine on Jan 23rd, 2018
https://web.archive.org/web/20180123072152/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

So it always stated it supported both Cash & Core and the buy orders always took you offsite to an exchange where you had to register with the exchange and choose which coin you wanted.

Those so called lawsuits guys are some of the biggest damn idiots , I have ever seen.  Everything was clearly spelled out CASH or CORE.

At the end of the day, You don't Own the Name Bitcoin otherwise none of the other coins could have used it.

So blame Satoshi for not Copyrighting the name.

As far as the bitcoin.com goes Ver beat you to it, make your own site and compete if you can.

Whatever you so called expect is irrelevant, whoever owns the site can design it.

As far as respect goes , we both know the Bitcoin Core Factions will ALWAYS HATE Roger Ver, because he did not follow the company line like a good little boy.

Roger Ver is Rich, he got that way by following what he believed was the best ideas, which for a time was the old Bitcoin and you all luv him then.

Well Things changed, he moved on and you should too. Follow the coin you believe in and to hell with the other one.

No Worries , Time will decide the coin that deserves to survive and thrive, not this petty bickering (It has Zero Influence in the long run).

I am saying that the User Base is no where near to maxing out a 2MB block on a 24 hour cycle much less a 32 MB.
What you are missing is that the ONCHAIN transaction fees will be cheaper on a coin that has sufficient transaction capacity.
Preventing excessive fees like what we saw last year on Bitcoin Core.

If transactions are created , then they are stored.
Either ONCHAIN as Bitcoin Cash is Choosing or Offchain as Bitcoin Core is Choosing.

Transaction Data > Bitcoin Cash Onchain Database
or
Transaction Data > Bitcoin Core Onchain Database
                         > LN HUB/Bank Offchain Database

* US Law Requires all financial data be held 5 years from the last time a client uses a financial service*
* So your LN Hubs will not be able to delete their offchain transactions data until a (client & other parties transacted with) all have been dead for 5 years. *
* Corporations don't die , so their data can never be deleted.*

Same amount of transaction data, just stored in different places.

Blockstream jumped the gun by 20 years, by moving to offchain, when modern tech can easily handle onchain up to a max of 32MB.
Blockstream over complicated a design that it was unnecessary to over complicate, and that added flaws like a LN hub needing to be constantly online to avoid coin theft.


Let's Say the Block Size is Maxed out to 32 MB for every block.
Transaction Data > Bitcoin Cash Onchain Database   Stores 32MB to every block
or
Transaction Data > Bitcoin Core Onchain Database    Stores 2MB to every onchain block
                         > LN HUB/Bank Offchain Database  Stores 30MB in the Offchain Data Base

From a Hardware point of view ,
you are going to need the Exact Same storage capacity for both.

However due to LN flaw of needing to be constantly connected , Bitcoin Core LN will require More Internet Bandwidth.
On the Bitcoin Core Onchain Transactions are going to be Maxed out, since it is really only rated for 1.7MB on chain  ,
Meaning not only are the Bitcoin Core Onchain Transaction Fees going to skyrocket, also the LN Hub Fees will skyrocket as there bandwidth costs are higher than an onchain node.  Worse Case Scenario Bitcoin Core Coins are Stolen because LN Hubs were unable to get the needed Onchain transactions in time. (Known Design flaw in the LN whitepaper.)


On the Bitcoin Cash Onchain Transactions are also Maxed,
but the keyword is Maxed out at 32MB, not exceeding 32 MB, so there Onchain Transaction Fees are at a fixed value and transactions are met in a timely fashion.
This Network will run smoother since they only have to maintain a full nodes with no excessive bandwidth requirements.

Now here is the funny part, the only way to make your Bitcoin Core LN Banks Safe to use is to INCREASE THEIR ONCHAIN BLOCKSIZE.  

So if you paid attention ,
you will see running an Bitcoin Core LN Hub and Core Full Node will require more resources than just running a Bitcoin Cash Full Node even when the blocks are maxed.

Also Bitcoin Cash will not suffer amount limits transfers problems, as it is not limited to amounts only stored in the LN Hub/Bank channels.