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681  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Make No Mistake: MyBitcoin is NOT Back Up! on: August 08, 2011, 07:10:16 PM
The jury is still out on if they were stolen or not...  see my problem is why return anything if it was stolen?  Why this elaborate scheme of returning 1/2 of them?   Why not just run?
Stalling tactic because the owner was worried peoples' investigations were getting too close to comfort?
682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MyBitcoin Claim Form Up! on: August 08, 2011, 06:03:33 PM
sorry if this has already been proposed :

After the claim process is finished, the wallets used by mybitcoin.com will be empty.

So, once this is done, I think that Tom Williams should make these wallets public, and
indicate which transactions correspond to the claim process. This should allow everybody
to investigate where the stolen bitcoins have been sent, and exchanges will be able to
see whether they received coins from these addresses, and whether these coins have
been cashed out.
We'd also ideally want the blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat from the compromised server... has anyone asked him for these yet?
683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [FORBES] The Bitcoin Crash - New Article, Forbes Claim is Doom on: August 08, 2011, 05:35:44 PM
I'm a modern artist, and my work is highly sought after. To date, I have created 10 pieces of art that had a fairly high and stable value--until a break-in occurred and two of the artworks were destroyed by people who don't like art. Now there are only 8 of my masterpieces in the world and their value went up because there's fewer works of art with my name on them. Granted, I have more art in the pipeline, therefore seeing the value of those remaining 8 pieces of art worth less when my new art enters the marketplace.

In a nutshell, if there's 7 million bitcoins, and 1 million are destroyed, doesn't that increase the value of the other 6 million?
That depends. If there are 7 million of - for example - a particular brand of washing machine and 1 million of them burst into flames, that obviously makes the remaining 6 million rather less valuable. (Also, most of the bitcoins lost so far have been stolen rather than destroyed, so the number in circulation hasn't decreased that much.) On the one hand you have the decrease in supply, and on the other loss in confidence in Bitcoins as a result of the heists.
684  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [FORBES] The Bitcoin Crash - New Article, Forbes Claim is Doom on: August 08, 2011, 12:48:25 PM
And as always, you can always remove 'Bitcoin' and replace it with 'USD' and all statements will be true.
You're trolling, right? Because the reason the same isn't true of the USD is fairly thoroughly explained in the bit of the article BitcoinPorn quoted.
685  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: C code for elliptic curve multiply / POS application on: August 08, 2011, 09:07:04 AM
I'm interested in finding such code too but so far I haven't had any luck. The most popular simple pure-C crypto library is libtomcrypt, but it apparently uses optimisations that are incompatible with the elliptic curve used by Bitcoin.
686  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Enough about the online wallets == part 2 on: August 06, 2011, 11:55:41 PM
the problem with the online currency is that it was built by us individuals familiar with the process.   Grandma can't invest $300,000 of her 6 million dollar inheritance in bitcoins because she doesn't know what a wallet.dat is,  she doesn't understand how to send money to an address that stretches across the screen, and she's NOT going to SSH into anything.    She's not even going to understand what peer to peer is.   Websites just magically appear to her with no understanding of how it works.
Anyone that can't understand how to SSH into anything is not going to be able to assess just how likely the online wallet they're using is to be full of gaping security holes - especially ones of the subtle Bitcoin-specific kind that MyBitcoins claimed they had. They certainly won't know how to use tools like Whois to figure out how easily the owner could run away with their hundredsd of thousands of dollars worth of bitcoins, and probably won't realise the implications of (for example) dealing with companies registered in Nevis. Why should we be encouraging people to act in a way they can't rationally assess the risks of again?

But she could increase the price of bitcoins and make them far more valid of a currency by depositing $300,000 USD into bitcoins.    She might even use them to buy something from an ecommerce site that accepts bitcoins,  or she may also have a meal at Meze Grill in New York,  if she could figure how to pay them in bitcoins.    Asking her to lug her laptop in and send to a huge address isn't going to help matters.
Ah yes, of course, because it'll help increase the value of our own bitcoins. Why did I even bother asking.
687  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MyBitcoin Back Up! (with a press release) on: August 06, 2011, 05:55:56 PM
There is actually a simple way to still keep the 50btc - you just need to pay it to the mybitcoin depodit address that your other funds are being sent too.. then, assuming mybitcoin accepts it, you get to keep the 50BTC also.
As I understand it, MyBitcoin didn't accept deposits that came directly from generation transactions - the 50 BTC would never get credited to your account no matter what happened. Most Bitcoin wallet sites have the same limitation.
688  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mybitcoin.com Press Release #2 ? on: August 06, 2011, 11:26:47 AM
The tech explanation doesn't add up. Is he saying they were the victim of double spend attacks?
That's the only reason 1 vs 1000 confirmations should matter.
It would be so hard to pull off a double spend in this manner that this still smacks of BS.
Not only that - if they were the victim of double-spend attacks, they should be able to provide copies the duplicate transactions spending the same input, and probably even the two blocks with different versions of the same transaction. (The official Bitcoin client stores orphaned blocks it saw that used to be part of the main chain pretty much forever.)

A double-spend with only 1 confirmation might actually be doable in this case, though, because an attacker can just keep trying repeatedly until they succeed at little or no cost to them, and because synchronization of blocks between the big mining pools isn't very good even at the best of times. Tycho's refusal to give the IP address of his Bitcoin node for Deepbit to any of the other pool operators is actually quite damaging from what I've heard.
689  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: vanity private keys on: August 05, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
If the attacker has knowledge of the associated bitcoin address, the problem is much like cracking a hashed password.  Each test will require more compute power than a single round of a common hash function, but a lot less than 1024 rounds of MD5.

In the first one, your removed code letters specify the lower 32 bits of the encoded key, which are the checksum.  To even create a private key like this, you would need to search for upper code letters that result in your desired checksum.  The code letters in excess of those making up the checksum are the only part an attacker would need to guess.

The second requires the attacker to guess the code letters, as well as where they are located in the key.

The third requires the attacker to guess two groups of code letters and all permutations of where they might be located, which is a few more orders of magnitude harder.
This is basically correct apart from one thing: if you leave the checksum digits the hacker can reject the majority of their hacking attempts after just doing a single round of SHA256, which is much cheaper than having to compute the address or public key their guess maps to. Ideally you should remove the checksum totally and insert the vanity section somewhere in the rest of the private key, but that's kind of tricky to reverse.
690  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "BlitCoin": "unmasks one or both ends of a BitCoin transaction"? on: August 05, 2011, 12:00:40 PM
I really like the descriptions of Bitcoin scalability in your other set of slides; they fairly succinctly point out the issues with scaling, and how the proposed solution to dealing with large transaction volumes inevitably mean Bitcoin will become highly centralized.

Edit: Also, now I've found the correct set of slides - how would bitcoinfs by injecting data into other users' transactions work? The signature obviously can't sign itself, but the rest of the transaction script is signed - you'd have to somehow inject data into the signature value itself. Which I guess might be doable actually...

(Oh - and the suggestion of generating private keys from passwords is interesting, because Bitcoin users are obviously already using a less secure version of this using a single round of SHA256.)
691  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UABB is a... on: August 05, 2011, 09:37:36 AM
What are you talking about? Matt is the one who forced Tom to post the receivership notice on MyBitcoin.com. Matt, in a Fedora and London Fog jacket, flew to Nevis and camped a PO Box, surviving on BitMunchies.com until Tom attempted to sneak in and grab all the KMart junk mail flyers. It was really a very simple case to crack.
That reminds me, do you regret being willing to take down the thread about how Matt (a.k.a BitMole) tried to weasel out of paying you for work done now?
692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MyBitcoin Back Up! on: August 05, 2011, 09:12:34 AM
I called it. This is basically exactly what I've been theorizing happened. After MtGox got a lot of criticism for explaining before they knew the facts, it only makes sense that MyBitcoin (or anyone else exploited) would keep silent until they had a good idea what was going on.
That's not why MtGox got criticism. MtGox released specific statements that not just turned out to be premature and wrong, but that they had to have known were false at the time; for example, there's no way they could honestly have claimed both that it was just a single account that was compromised and that they had enough Bitcoin funds to cover their deposits because even from the outside it was easy to see they didn't have enough Bitcoins to cover the amount in that single account, let alone everyone else's deposits.
693  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to find "Tom Williams" ... on: August 04, 2011, 10:57:37 PM
According to the "from the desk of Tom Williams" statement in June, two technicians have access to the server.

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All disk keys are held off-site and were never generated anywhere near the internet. All server passwords are unique per server and per user, of course. Only two technicians have access to the secure servers. This access is over a VPN and we only use secured workstations running Linux and BSD to access them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22221.msg279396#msg279396

You'd think that by now one of them would have realised that there's something wrong and that if something dramatic has happened to "Tom" they'd be trying to find a way to communicate with the users of the service.
You're assuming that the technicians in question know about bitcoins and MyBitcoin and have authorization to act on their own without specific orders from Tom Williams. I suspect that neither is the case; he's probably talking about hosting company staff rather than anyone he actually employs himself, even if he's not outright lying.
694  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is 90% jobless rate possible when robots are used everywhere? on: August 04, 2011, 10:14:58 PM
In a free market, you can always get the ownership of material/equipment/robot through trading. And the trading power will be decided by how much capital one have.  Those who have the capital today will become the robot-owning class tomorrow, but that is ok, as long as people have free access to the products created by those robots
The trouble is that the capital-owning class that becomes a robot-owning class will have no reason to permit everyone else access to the products created by those robots, because they'll have nothing to offer in return. (Actually I can think of a handful of things they could offer, but most of them are really not very pleasant and there wouldn't be enough demand for them anyway.)

I think, if robot belongs to the government, then all those debt problem will be gone. Even all the government employees are replaced by robots and create a super high unemployment rate, since government can still provide good education/healthcare/social security...by using robots, everyone can still live a good life without working!
They could do... assuming that the government chose to serve the interests of the populace at large rather than a handful of very wealthy, very powerful individuals. This requires politicians to act against their own rational interests though; the handful of powerful individuals are much more capable of damaging their political career than the populace at large is, even though in theory everyone can vote.
695  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Open Source FPGA Bitcoin Miner (Spartan-6 Now Tops Performance per $!) on: August 04, 2011, 08:43:29 PM
If you haven't tweaked ISE's setting for the minimum size of shift register to infer yet, you probably need to do that. (By default two or more registers in a row are automatically replaced by a shift register.)

Hmmm. Actually, that doesn't seem to quite solve the problem. Try something like this patch. Causes slightly worse timing elsewhere on XC6SLX75 so it's actually a net loss there, but you may be able to avoid or work around this. (Edit: Also, KEEP is probably not the right constraint to use here; it will cause unneeded registers and logic and RAM we want to elimiate to be kept.)
696  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is Bitcoin tanking this afternoon? on: August 04, 2011, 05:07:20 PM
http://pastebin.com/MmguJm3Z

I didn't crack the hash, but I can only assume this is true.

Code:
$ echo -n 'th3j35t3r got trolled'|md5sum
8bb4cdc8f511ad386e723f298c9b3c39  -
Looks like it's true.
697  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bug Policy --- Admins need to enforce this on: August 04, 2011, 04:56:18 PM
If what you are saying is true, public disclosure in this case will give even worse results than the crash that occurs. It will give more people (in this disclosure case, script-kiddies) the ability to exploit mtgox.
You'd think so, but the window for exploiting this kind of vulnerability once it's been publicly exposed generally seems to be too small for anyone to actually do so profitably. Generally the person publicly announcing it only provides a minimal proof-of-concept that's enough to show the issue exists and a lot of effort is still required to use it maliciously.
698  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: using nLockTime for lost online wallets on: August 04, 2011, 04:15:37 PM
You can use the alternate SIGHASH modes to sign inputs separately so that inputs can be added/removed without invalidating the entire transaction. So a new refund transaction wouldn't have to be issued every time BTC is spent: only a new input to refund the change would need to be signed.
If you do it that way you can't change the total amount paid out by the outputs of the transaction to match. (While I think there may be a mode that doesn't sign the outputs that opens a huge security hole.) It's probably better just to create a fresh transaction.
699  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is 90% jobless rate possible when robots are used everywhere? on: August 04, 2011, 02:42:48 PM
I have read Manna and the dystopian and utopian parts of it alike seem unrealistic to me because they require remarkable behaviors among millions of people. Apparently the middle class of the USA couldn't get their act together to vote for "lunatic fringe" (i.e. not corporate-owned) legislators to change the rigged game they were losing, even after they'd been forced into public housing. But a billion people agreed to make the Australia Project IPO by far the most successful of all time, even before it offered anything but an idea.
Of course they couldn't. That would require convincing over 50% of the population in a significant number of areas to vote for exactly one suitable candidate in each, with no campaign funding, despite the mass media being against them and attempting to discredit them, whilst somehow avoiding both fake "people's candidates" and corruption of the genuine ones that did get elected. If not enough people vote for the candidate, the ones that did risk causing a worse candidate to get in than if they'd stuck to the best of the mainstream choices. Worse still, at the point in his scenario where the unemployed masses are essentially being imprisoned there's no need to even convince them their vote means anything - it's not like they can rise up in revolt with their every action monitored for hints of "terrorist" activity, and hardly anyone would question this monitoring initially.

You also need to take into account aspirational effects - a lot of people are willing to vote in ways that benefit the rich and powerful at their own expense in the hope that one day they'll become rich and powerful, no matter how slim that hope. This phenomenon is a massive obstacle to grassroots political reform, but it might actually encourage investment in something like the Australia Project IPO even if that did offer nothing more than an idea.

It's actually very interesting that in this story voluntary self-organisation turns out so much better in the end than central government fiat.

As for the popularity of taking what we want from the robot-owning overclass, even most of the libertarians here seem to think that intellectual property is nonsense. If an IP owner tries to send the police or his own private army after people "pirating" physical goods and/or the equipment used to manufacture them, I think any violence meted out by the "pirates" can be considered self-defense.
While intellectual property could also pose an issue, the problem here is physical property: specifically, the robots themselves, the equipment needed to manufacture them, the raw materials to feed all this, and the land from which the raw material are mined. If all of this is in the hands of said robot-owning overclass, everyone else is screwed unless they can take it from them by force; I seem to recall most libertarians are against this.
700  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Open Source FPGA Bitcoin Miner (Spartan-6 Now Tops Performance per $!) on: August 04, 2011, 12:21:33 PM
I just tried adding an extra register to the shifter's inferred RAM. After compilation it failed timing (80MHz) and ... the register was gone. I'm guessing it optimized the register away somehow, or balanced it. Either way, it ended up having a negative impact. I'm running another compile with USE_XILINX_BRAM_FOR_W off to see how that works. Perhaps we need to find a way for ISE not to optimize the shifter so much when USE_XILINX_BRAM_FOR_W is being used?
If you haven't tweaked ISE's setting for the minimum size of shift register to infer yet, you probably need to do that. (By default two or more registers in a row are automatically replaced by a shift register.)
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