Confirmed, waiting on escrow to agree to hold the collateral.

Confirmed. Waiting on the escrow. Please copy and post on my thread as well.

If you insist that he 'misspent' the crowdfund because he had to drive/move to canberra for his professional career (directly tied to an asset you bought into, never helped build or issue), or keep making false accusations everywhere, then we can only assume you are an incredibly entitled, impatient 'trader' who can't even wait a few months with a legitimate investment when usually you invest and trade on forex (or even speculate) with assets for a year minimum.

More to the point, did he not answer every one of your questions? Also, I don't think it's your business to ask for every details of what he does with the funds raised from YOU BUYING THE ASSET TO CLEARLY PROFIT LATER. That's crossing the line. He is free to spend it as wisely as possible (not that it's too much given recent btc market tanking mind you, certainly less then what start ups begin with) and frankly you made a purchase, not a donation. You do not control how he plans on spending those funds while he is clearly busy with getting things done, even before the crowdfund was over. Remember the registration etc?

Pestering him throughout the crowdfund period, then trying to draw 'public' pressure (no one is as impatient as you) when you clearly intend to just dump for profit ASAP is not a good show of support. You are much better served by asking 'what can I do to help and work with a small, legitimate startup with my skills or assets?'. Crypto needs both professionalism (from more than one honest, devoted man who made more sacrifices then you ever did for his project) and community enthusiasm/support to get things going right.

I have an idea for a loan, not sure if you are interested. Currently 2.4 btc portion is open here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919706.msg10104540#msg10104540

Loan amount: any amount you find appropriate up to 2.4 btc if you can.

Term length: roughly 5 months (150 days exact GMT)

Interest: 6% every 30 days paid out individually, for total of 30% interest + principle after 150 days is complete.

We are free to negotiate the terms of the deal and if you require a collateral or not with my history of loaning and trading + sr.member status.

Thank you for your time.

I see the merits of pos-ii, and at the same time I wish it was an option with longer proven feedbacks. It does sound very promising, but as we should all know, every new tech and innovation can use additional time to stand the test of scrutiny and time. I wish to err on the side of caution and keep a good eye on this, while initially stabilizing our transition by using a proven general POS option.

Long ago we had many discussions about merits of Merged Mining and I had hoped such a path would be open and possible. As far as I know, DMD offer was the closest we had to achieving that goal, but at the moment it seems it did not materialize as the torch was passed on to palmdetroit for a general pos wallet (and he has not responded afte a month and a half now).

We have dedicated community members working on both of general pos and pos-ii options, so once it is ready the community should review both options and agree on the best course to take for the foreseeable future. Once again, I advocate for the general pos swap as the immediate course of action, and perhaps pos-ii at a later date should it stand the test of scrutiny and proven its stability with test of time. It would be highly risky to risk the future of Noblecoin on something so new so quickly, and basic improved security of the blockchain (removing multipools and large hashrates from conducting further 51% attacks) is paramount and immediate concern.

One step at a time, so we can get this done right for the good of all and Noblecoin itself

Ducatitalia has reserved 4 btc portion of this loan with negotiated terms. Remaining portion 2.4 btc.

OP updated.

2.4 btc portion still open for offers.

I do not currently keep a twitter account - as in 'current' being the key word here. Perhaps I would explain it further it your comment was not accusatory, but I would hate to assume others are not thoughtful enough to understand the conversation, or is in need of hand holding as such. May be your standards and mine are different. Your call however People I have met and talked with there and through other channels know that this is who I am, so that means my actions are scrutinized far more than any mere anonymous screen name in the forums.

Once again, I don't understand how you can possibly say I am over valuing anything when in my previous deals, I actually have loans based on deals lower then the current avg. It is a starting point of the negotiations, and it seems you cannot separate this concept from a set in stone condition, which it is not. Furthermore, the fact that most other deals calculate collateral based on immediate condition makes it neither justified or fair - these are my personal terms and position from where I hope to begin the negotiations, and you would do well to understand this concept before making any accusations because you find it to your 'disadvantage'.

I mentioned the collateral name, and the monthly avg value. If you want to find out its current position, no one will have any trouble looking it up in simplest ways along the usual exchanges. I do not presume to spoon feed and treat my clients as if they cannot be bothered to do so or is incapable.

If you do not like the fact that my starting point of the negotiations begin with me trying to minimize the disadvantage to my position as much as possible, then you counter it with your position and we work towards a compromise. It's called initial negotiating position - something that seems alien to you since you are essentially saying everything I say and wanting to get the best out of the deal is 'unethical' and 'wrong'. I do not believe I have ever closed doors on the possibility of counter suggestions and compromise - but you presume to say that you can demand certain conditions while calling my own negotiations an 'unethical practice'.

There is nothing I have with held, relevant or irrelevant - unless you are seriously claiming that you need everything literally delivered on a silver platter. I gave you the name, monthly avg, and amount of the collateral being discussed. Anyone with half a brain can easily see what its current value is, what 'monthly avg' means, and that volatility of the markets makes 'current' value about as worth as its possible x2 value next hour - hence the practice of taking the monthly avg. If the current values were x3 then it was weeks ago, then as I have done in the past I would avg down my collateral to match the overall market trend. It is interesting how you do not take notice of those things while picking out nothings and distorting my intentions and words to smear the deal

With this type of entitled mentality that justifies your own pursuit of profit at the expense of childishly vilifying another, it's a little surprise you think you can say any of what you claimed and hope to be taken seriously. You repeatedly claim 'this is standard' 'everyone else is doing this' 'says you' 'unethical', yet I see nothing about understanding whether you know what negotiating means or wanting to compromise - only that you see a deal that is less advantageous than usual and presumes to say that it is 'unethical'.

Everything you have said simply boils down to you not liking what you are being told, and instead of discussing the deal, you want some kind of instant gratification and sweet deal on a silver platter. Not to mention you are flat out lying about not being told relevant information - no one in their right mind will consider your claim justified unless they are saying you somehow deserve to be offered up every possible scrap of information and their cousins as an offering (why, because you are anything more than an equal party in a negotiation?), something that is easily found out if an individual can type or surf the web from the most obvious sources.

Is it any wonder that the forums are full of scammers and paranoid mods, when every single fuck who expects everything for themselves mouths off and accuses others of lying? If you think my initial starting position is very disadvantageous, then either work towards a compromise or simply decline the deal. To bitch and moan wailing about 'unethical' or 'scam' because you don't find things to your advantage is simply ridiculous. If you were more interested in sealing the deal and (as you are expected to do, why not you can think for yourself to do basic leg work on your own) simply found out about the current market conditions, there would have been no problems. Instead you presume to demand to be catered to and be covered for every excuse you would otherwise use to accuse others of 'lying'.


It's too bad that you find the terms not to your liking, or that you are incapable of basic negotiations and haggling, but that is your decision. Just as it is mine to state my initial position to my relevant advantage and work towards a compromise. Being greedy and ignorant doesn't always fly when you are a customer or a client, but you can't admit that you are arguing with an entitled mentality here that squeals 'unethical' whenever you find out that the game is a 2 player affair

Serious offers and negotiations welcome

As I have explained (and I think I disclosed fully to all interested parties what the collateral is and what the monthly avg is), we must use the monthly avg in a volatile crypto currency market to decide the appropriate value for the deal. I have certainly not with held any details to those who request them because they are interested, and the volatility means it really doesn't make sense to go down for you to gain more collateral for the loan, while the other way is 'unethical'. Hence, the compromise at the stated terms of taking a monthly avg for the value of the collateral and loan amount being discussed.

No one who is interested and PM's me is not told about what value I use to calculate the collateral with, and the reason for such, which I find to be fair. As I mentioned, in the past negotiations have made parties agree to terms that are acceptable to both, and in many cases it brought the collateral to a more agreeable amount as we assessed each other's position and found a compromise. This is a negotiation phase, and that's how deals are made - middle ground that both parties can agree on from their respective starting points. My starting point is the monthly avg for the collateral - and we, as I repeatedly mentioned, negotiate to find a compromise that is within acceptable bounds for each of us.

As I said, 'All terms are up for negotiations' - as in the OP. Once again, I understand your concern, but I do not believe I have with held any information, some even irrelevant, to our negotiations. I would ask you to retract such a claim because it simple does not match the facts - and I believe you are giving an unqualified statement as to what you deem 'unethical' vs. 'simple disadvantageous'. I have not with held any kind of information from you or any other interested parties when they contacted me (certainly no one will have any trouble figuring out the price avg for the collateral anyway with loan amount offered vs. recent market movements).

Once again, I would ask that you correct your statement since I have disclosed everything in the negotiations. If you want to further negotiate the appropriate loan vs collateral, feel free to message me and we can work out a deal we both find acceptable

Yes. All terms were discussed and disclosed at the beginning of the discussions. Sent you another pm.

Of course, we go by the monthly avg - that's a bit more than usual leeway since last time I loaned out with 2 week avg and it was almost 50% higher than monthly avg

I appreciate your interests. I will send you the pm with details

The offer is still open. The collaterals are not up for 'sale'. They are collaterals, and this one individual rum152 is more or less outright lying just because he can't get a last word in.

That escrow has recently opened, and is a preference. Of course, it does not have to be him - I am up for using maidak or any other escrow both parties can agree on. The twitter belongs to the suggested escrow, nothing more.

I have no idea if you agree with the terms on the OP, but I would ask that you be careful with such accusations - nothing is a 'scam' because you do not find the terms to your advantage. If you want to find scams, there are plenty of threads out there in the btc talk right now


All terms are a bit more generous and stringent and open then other successful loans I have completed in the past, in the amount greater than one I am offering right now. They are listed in the OP.

Feel free to offer additional questions.

You gotta speak for yourself once in a while. You haven't given a single valid answer to any one's questions, just deflections that warp the situation and facts.

Go play elsewhere. Legitimate offers have little time for your bitching and arguing in something you have no place in.

The most amusing, easy meat anyone has seen in a long while

Keep winding yourself and chase your own tail, not to mention you discuss semantics while just hiding behind your 'logic' LOL

'looser' what are you michael moore? I was under the impression that this forum discouraged children, but 20 somethings these days behave as teens, so you are excused for your behavior

Your ulterior motives and weak motives are too obvious haha

Add Noblecoin and NobleNXT on your list, courtesy of Rofo aka Jason L. Curby who has been public for over a year now (since January 2014). Strange you didn't include those on your list when they have been public for far longer then any of those coin.

Good call. Will call an irc vote asap.

Now this bitch can't even remember what he wrote few minutes ago LOL

Only for this bitch, he is to lend twice the amount for half the collateral so mitigate my risks and potential loss of profits should btc tank below 100 and collateral double within the next few months

Fair's fair, eh?

LOL

False title, false claim, fake thread.

WEAK.

HAHAHA now we are down to you saying 'SCAMMM' when obviously you are just trying to bitch and moan about an argument.

Now that is an interesting, delusional claim

I have set even looser conditions in the past for all my loans, and what a surprise, they are all repaid in full

I have already explained above why risks and benefits exist for both sides, and no one is disputing this fact aside from you who want to squeal 'scam' in an effort to bitch at a deal that you have no place mouthing off about with your 'opinions' (just an excuse to bitch as anyone can see - no one gave you permission to do so in someone else's business because you got a mouth to work with)

I am offering a collateral in an asset that has endured past longer than a year, certainly longer then you have been here, while surviving attacks and accusations from all quarters by a publicly known developer with identity revealed since day 1. In the mean time, you talk about secondstrade with '190% returns'. LOL

Volatility of the market would make liquidation arrangement too risky unless specific terms are agreed upon, and I have worked with individual clients about adding additional collateral in a way we both agree on, which you obvious got no place voicing yourself.


Chances of lender being repaid, thus far with many of my other loans, have been 100%, no less


I can't say the same for your own 'business' never mind lack of any honest dealing in your part.

Give us more excuses if you want.

Keep bitching some more and let's hear you squeal

'Accurate' only if it is on your terms, while facts are facts no matter your feelings

All the while ignoring everything you want to deny.

Bitch mind at work here