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281  Economy / Economics / Re: All mining might be illegal/parasitic soon on: June 18, 2011, 10:46:27 PM
The "illegal" mining you mention isn't terribly profitable.  Most university, lab, school, and other large computer "labs" don't have the horsepower and certainly don't have high end graphics performance necessary to mine effectively.

In order to perform "illegal" mining, you're going to need Bot Nets.  While CPU isn't good for mining, 100,000 CPUs will mine enough to make it "profitable" for someone to rent bot nets and feed them mining code.

The downside is that the users are probably going to notice their CPUs running at 100%.

This is the proposal that Symantec has already published:
http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/bitcoin-botnet-mining
282  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is an official Bitcoin iPhone app planned? on: June 18, 2011, 08:31:43 PM
Just wondering if there are any plans for an official iPhone app to send and receive Bitcoin on the go with iPhones (or androids) ?

It's already written.  Apple rejected it on the basis of "alternative currency".
It was open sourced and can be found here:

https://github.com/udibr/bitcoin/

Instructions for building it in XCode are here:

https://github.com/udibr/bitcoin/blob/master/build-iOS.txt

283  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: aticonfig: command not found (ubuntu 11.04) on: June 18, 2011, 08:20:26 PM
Code:
ls /usr/lib/fglrx/bin
amdcccle              amdxdg-su   atiodcli      fglrxinfo
amdnotifyui           aticonfig   atiode        fglrx_xgamma
amdupdaterandrconfig  atieventsd  fgl_glxgears


thx allot for the help i did solve it  Grin got all cards runing

Yep, there you go.  Looks like your install didn't provide the appropriate symbolic links, but you do have it installed.
I can give you the commands to create the symbolic links if you'd like.  They are:

Code:
sudo ln -s /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig /etc/alternatives/aticonfig
sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/aticonfig /usr/bin/aticonfig
284  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: aticonfig: command not found (ubuntu 11.04) on: June 18, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Try /usr/bin/aticonfig instead of just aticonfig
same thing  Sad

Last try.  I checked my Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop system and see this:

Code:
pickerin@digger:~$ ls -la /usr/bin/aticonfig
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2011-06-15 20:42 /usr/bin/aticonfig -> /etc/alternatives/aticonfig
pickerin@digger:~$ ls -la /etc/alternatives/aticonfig
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2011-06-15 20:42 /etc/alternatives/aticonfig -> /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig

So, ultimately, the aticonfig program is installed under /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig

So:

Code:
ls /usr/lib/fglrx/bin

What's the output?
285  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just got hacked - any help is welcome! (25,000 BTC stolen) on: June 18, 2011, 03:53:21 PM
I do not want fame, I just want to find whoever it is that stole them and bring them to justice, and if I can regain my foothold in the bitcoin economy great, if not I'll have to think hard about whether this is all worth it for me...what can I really do next? Can I still start a bitcoin business, no, because nobody would trust me. One momentary slipup and one's reputation is ruined. There are no second chances when it comes to irreversible currencies.

If you didn't want noteriety (different from fame), you probably wouldn't have started this thread as dramatically as you did.  It's a shame what happened to you, if it did, but if I have something stolen from me, I don't run to a world wide public forum and announce it.  I work with a few trusted individuals, maybe try and figure out what happened, and then go to the authorities with my evidence.

Perhaps hiring a professional forensic investigator, versed in Bitcoins.  Perhaps reach out to the Developers and offer to pay them to assist you in tracking things down.

All of the transactions are in the Block Chain, write scripts to alert you every time (and how much) of the money moves and to where, so you can keep an eye on the funds.  Eventually, the coins have to hit a legitimate entity, otherwise they're worthless.  Work with that entity to figure out who sent them the coins, then work backwards. 

I think the most rational thing to do is to focus on making money the usual way - work, invest in crap, and pray that the financial system does not collapse. I don't know really. I'm not yet decided what role bitcoin will play in my life from this point on.

That's always been the way it would work long term. 
286  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help me setup bitcoin miner on: June 18, 2011, 02:43:37 PM
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18910.0
287  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: aticonfig: command not found (ubuntu 11.04) on: June 18, 2011, 02:41:14 PM
Try /usr/bin/aticonfig instead of just aticonfig
288  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: aticonfig: command not found (ubuntu 11.04) on: June 18, 2011, 02:13:52 PM
i did but somehow fails

It fails to paste the output of your commands here in the Post?

I'm trying to help, but without either remote access to your box, or you providing the output from the system when you run the commands, it's going to be impossible.
289  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: aticonfig: command not found (ubuntu 11.04) on: June 18, 2011, 02:05:49 PM
Code:
 sudo aticonfig -f --initial --adapter=all
sudo: aticonfig: command not found
  Sad

Said another way:  You don't have it installed.  Issue ALL of the commands in my Post, in order.  Provide the output of each one.
290  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What will happen when people stop mining? on: June 18, 2011, 02:04:56 PM
There aren't enough use cases for bitcoins right now which would support either a large number or a high enough transaction fee.  At least nowhere near the payout of a 50 btc reward for confirming a block today.  We can safely ignore the influence of fees -- several pools keep the fees and only split the reward and nobody cares very much about it.

We're a LONG way from not having bounties on Block confirmations.  Next year some time, it will get cut in half (25 BTC), but assuming BTC haven't crashed back to the sub $0.05 level, that will still be enough to keep miners interested.  As BTC grows, the number of transactions will grow, as people start using it, they'll want their transactions confirmed quickly, so they'll include transactions fees.  As the number of transactions appearing in a single block grows (the transactions per second (tps)) the fees will increase.

If it all works out and BTC is successful, the transaction fees will FAR outweigh even the current 50 BTC bounty.  However, at that stage (2030?) there will only be professional miners, because the hashrate will be so high that casuals won't be able to compete.
291  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: aticonfig: command not found (ubuntu 11.04) on: June 18, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
Download and install ATI Driver 11.5 for Linux 64bit.
   cd ~
   wget http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-5-x86.x86_64.run
   sudo sh ati-driver-installer-11-5-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/natty
   sudo dpkg -i *.deb
   sudo apt-get -f install
   sudo aticonfig -f --initial --adapter=all
   sudo reboot

Verify that the ATI Driver is setup and running
   cd ~
   DISPLAY=:0 sudo fglrxinfo
292  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What will happen when people stop mining? on: June 18, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
If people stop mining, Bitcoin will die.

Miners confirm transactions by adding them to the Block Chain.  If no one is doing that, there is no Bitcoin.

Miners won't stop mining because they get to earn all of the transaction fees on the transactions in the blocks they add to the Block Chain.
293  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Couldn't the wallet.dat be secured this way? on: June 18, 2011, 11:37:16 AM
It is a good idea depending on your goal. It is a good idea, because you can copy wallet files without fear. It does not protect against stealing from an infected computer where bitcoin is running.

My goal is to get as much protection as possible.  Making the stealing of the wallet.dat file useless, because you won't have the password to the keys.  Allowing each address to have a unique password makes even having a trojan on your computer minimized, because if you haven't used the address during the time of the trojan, some of your addresses will still be safe.

I minimize my exposure to trojans and viruses by running operating systems that have minimal exposures (e.g. NOT Windows).

This step is necessary to make the stealing of the wallet.dat file useless.

As stated, there is no silver bullet.
294  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Couldn't the wallet.dat be secured this way? on: June 18, 2011, 11:12:50 AM

Knew it was a good idea.  Wink  Thanks Will.
295  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Will setup your mining rig for 5 BTC, or other Linux System Administration on: June 18, 2011, 11:10:47 AM
I'm an experienced GNU/Linux system administrator and Bitcoin Miner.

I will help you get a mining rig setup and working.  My most recent rig is:

MSI 870-G45 AM3 Motherboard
PSU CORSAIR|850W
AMD Sempron 140 2.7GHz AM3
32GB CORSAIR SSD
2 x Sapphire Radeon 5830

This runs Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop 64-bit, headless, and Phoenix 1.48.  I'm getting 518 Mhash/sec with stock (non-overclocked) cards.

I will work remotely via SSH and for 5BTC will provide you 4 hours of system administrative time to get your mining rig online.  Depending on timing, I can also work with you on overclocking your rig, or we can negotiate additional fees for overclocking.

We'll be chatting using either IRC or AOL IM.

I also am versed in general system administration, but I would like to discuss your issue/project first. PM me your email to start a discussion.
296  Other / Beginners & Help / Will setup a mining rig for 5 BTC under Linux on: June 18, 2011, 11:09:59 AM
I'm an experienced GNU/Linux system administrator and Bitcoin Miner.

I will help you get a mining rig setup and working.  My most recent rig is:

MSI 870-G45 AM3 Motherboard
PSU CORSAIR|850W
AMD Sempron 140 2.7GHz AM3
32GB CORSAIR SSD
2 x Sapphire Radeon 5830

This runs Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop 64-bit, headless, and Phoenix 1.48.  I'm getting 518 Mhash/sec with stock (non-overclocked) cards.

I will work remotely via SSH and for 5BTC will provide you 4 hours of system administrative time to get your mining rig online.  Depending on timing, I can also work with you on overclocking your rig, or we can negotiate additional fees for overclocking.

We'll be chatting using either IRC or AOL IM.

I also am versed in general system administration, but I would like to discuss your issue/project first. PM me your email to start a discussion.
297  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Who pays transaction fees on: June 18, 2011, 10:56:40 AM
I patched the official client to allow zero fees, so it's not a problem for me. Wink
I simply wanted to state in my post that I disagree with forced fees, even though it might prevent newbies from sending a transaction that will "never" be confirmed. No whining intended. Smiley

Gratz.  Moving on.
298  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just got hacked - any help is welcome! (25,000 BTC stolen) on: June 18, 2011, 10:54:50 AM
So, any ETA on when this pity-party is over?

Just wondering.

Or a police report, you know, if it is actually real. (or not).



5 days, hundreds of posts and all this news coverage but no police report shown...interesting.  Another thing, none of the news articles have any statements from law enforcement of any kind...almost like this forum is the only basis for the stories.

Because it is...

Anyone know how to stop the forum from showing me this thread has been updated in my "Show new replies to your posts".  I want off this crazy train.
299  Economy / Economics / Re: Looks like Bitcoin is no more volatile than RIM Stock on: June 18, 2011, 10:53:40 AM
I guess most folks missed the point of my post.

I was implying that the volatility of Bitcoin's value is no different than the volatility of a publicly traded stock.  So, there's no reason to keep discussing it, or to try and use volatility as an excuse for why Bitcoin may fail.  There are real world financial stocks that display the same issues, yet millions of people trust their money to them.

300  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Couldn't the wallet.dat be secured this way? on: June 18, 2011, 10:49:39 AM
The private key is the password. A client could be created that doesn't have a wallet. If you want to spend coins you type it in right then.

Yes, you have to sign with the private key.  However, that's different from a password.  You can place a password on the private key.

From:  http://www.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto-3.html#ss3.1

Quote
Finally you have to enter a password (actually passphrase would be more appropriate, since blanks are allowed). This password is used to be able to use the functionality which belongs to your secret key.
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