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hello
[premise]
- the other account was blocked (one of the forum db hacks caused a lot of issues...)
- apologies for the delayed update
[recap/update]
- nobody ever touched the funds. they were sent to the company.
- company started misbehaving
- we started suing them (ndas, and so on..)
- several jurisdictions and laws apply
- company went bankrupt
- customers have the lowest priority among all the creditors
- remaining assets of the company went sold (including equipment, stock, parts,...)
- they were not labeled, in any way, they went sold in "some sort of" auction
- other creditors had more priority, we appealed, we lost
- actions still continue on more fronts
- among the rest, the judges decided to review one of the closed cases
- they will update about the above in 2018 or hopefully in several months, beyond possibly having updates on other fronts too
- they said that eventually, in case of "success", some sort of refund would apply
- as there will be further substantial or final updates, they will be reported here in the forum somehow
[where we are]
- please identify the correct subject responsible of this whole situation: the company
- we, us, the escrow, have no responsibility at all over their behavior, actions and so on
- the whole thing is publicly known, we are not an exception, search the web please
- someone is still paying for and following all the legal actions and such, as always...
- nobody of you helped, in any way, never
- obviously, whatever success we would eventually achieve will be shared among all here, less the legal expenses
[considerations]
- we are not in the "far west" but in some developed country, laws apply...
- personal direct or indirect harassments, accuses, damage or whatever else not appropriate or polite will not be tolerated anymore
- privacy in europe is something extremely important, as well as for other rights and so on...
- we, me and the escrow have no personal responsibility at all over what happened with the company
- nobody will break the laws, as always, and nobody will damage itself more than already done
- please eventually select the correct subject/s in your communications and content
- all the communications not compliant with the laws will be at least ignored
- thanks
wishing to you all the best of luck, take care!
I can confirm that this user is the new account of the real akw that started the groupbuy back then. I'm in contact with the original user through his email address we wrote through. If all is true and we were scamed by Knc, you, SebastianJu should give us the knc payment txid so we can take loyal action. They stealed us more than 80 btc, it's not a joke. If you can't show us the payment txid I will think both, akw and sebju, are same person and you stealed all. |
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This is how a refund should work! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347706.0I bought 3 shares @ 0.15 BTC each and was payed back around 0.818 BTC. The refund was done in €. There was no extra fee or somewhat. Also waldohoover seems a bit quiet to me. Thanks for share this, that's how a refund should be done  |
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Can we please consider a KNC refund?
we paid 15btc or so for each miner, if we get refund we will get 40btc or so for each miner. When miners arrive i think they will never do 40 btc, so i ask again, can we please consider a KNC refund?
think about it.
Greetings
FYI - This group has already gone through with a refund: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347907.180That's not a refund, that is fraud. If you want to see whats true refund look at this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347706.0;allAs you can see, people refunded (not scamed) are taking 181% of what they paid in btc. |
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I think its strange of KNC to refund more bitcoins than paid. People would hedge against KNC.
This is because while you pay KNC with bitcoin they are using bitpay, they get USD, so the refund is in USD. There is nothing strange there. The last chance we have to win something with this operation is asking for a refund to KNC. Getting the miners will be a total failure, we will never recover our investment because of the delay  Might be that they handle it that way. And what would they have done when the bitcoin price did not drop but raise? Pay back less bitcoins than the buyer paid? Im not confident that the law would be on their side then. I mean the buyer paid with bitcoins and doesnt have to care what KNC does with the coins. Regardless of taking bitcoin as a commondity or as a currency. Its an exchange and i dont see that you could pay back less legally when refunding. Though one should think their lawyers cleared that for them. I know they are doing so because i know someone who has already requested a refund, that guy paid with BTC (through bitpay) and he got USD when refunded, so i know how are KNC working and that's why i say we must seriously think in a refund. |
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I think its strange of KNC to refund more bitcoins than paid. People would hedge against KNC.
This is because while you pay KNC with bitcoin they are using bitpay, they get USD, so the refund is in USD. There is nothing strange there. The last chance we have to win something with this operation is asking for a refund to KNC. Getting the miners will be a total failure, we will never recover our investment because of the delay |
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Can we please consider a KNC refund?
we paid 15btc or so for each miner, if we get refund we will get 40btc or so for each miner. When miners arrive i think they will never do 40 btc, so i ask again, can we please consider a KNC refund?
think about it.
Greetings
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Yo también he operado con bitcoin.com.es en varias ocasiones y todo ha ido bien.
A veces han tardado un par de días en contestar pero una vez iniciado el proceso de intercambio ha sido tan rápido como los bancos lo han permitido. Recomendado.
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Adress confirmed, all good. Thanks for your work! I have a question but maybe it's early to ask, what pool are you going to join? eligius maybe? Greetings |
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I've seen that you've withdraw the BTC from the escrow. That means that you've payed the 2 neptune of first 2 orders.
So you can give us the two order numbers (there is no need to keep it secret anyway).
Same question here, there are 2 neptune already buyed?  |
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I have a question, how long it will being working?
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Hi, im new, i hope this is ok.
Sent 6 BTC for 120 shares.
Payout address: 1MmE5GuCwhxBvMKZPtXvSzFsAayXB2JwFp
TxID: 13606ae78bdf3d1bc415aab7ddea6940c01d811a8f46a3737e9265c1fda5bbec
ty
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dvdman es un genio!! 1DmQYhKSAbG7mz79xW9SmAcW4yk2qGLYYX gracias por compartir tus riquezas!! |
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Genial, a quien no le gustan las monedas de chocolate? xD
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