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241  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Diablo Mining Company [shifting gears] on: April 01, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
I have posted a notice in the op post.

Out if all the active shares how many you got?

0. I burned my shares when I relisted it.
242  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DiabloMiner GPU Miner on: April 01, 2013, 02:01:42 AM
thanks, I got it working - probably it was not needed to reinstall ati.12.4 driver and try to patch it for kernel 3.6.11.
I think finally the problem was misconfiguration in xorg.conf
Now I am using MATE-DESKTOP and both cards are crunching 935 Mhash/s together.
Unfortunately probably something went wrong - seems like overheating HDD controller causes to remount disks as read-only Sad

Is this OK ?

test@localhost adl3]$ ./atitweak -s
0. AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series (:0.0)
    engine clock 1150MHz, memory clock 1000MHz, core voltage 1.25VDC, performance level 3, utilization 99%
    fan speed 100% (4251 RPM) (user-defined)
    temperature 77 C
    powertune 0%
1. AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series  (:0.1)
    engine clock 1120MHz, memory clock 970MHz, core voltage 1.21VDC, performance level 2, utilization 98%
    fan speed 48% (2122 RPM) (default)
    temperature 73 C
    powertune 0%


I hope you meant 13.4. Always use the newest version of fglrx.
243  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Diablo Mining Company [shifting gears] on: March 31, 2013, 08:40:24 PM
I have posted a notice in the op post.
244  Economy / Securities / Financial report for the month of March 2013 on: March 31, 2013, 08:17:37 PM
Active shares: 10,773
Dividends paid out today: 55.44022806 BTC
Dividends per share paid out today: 0.00514622  BTC

Dividends paid out for all time: 169.46731101 BTC
Dividends paid out for all time per share: 0.0344429363171353 BTC

Assets held:
106 BTC-MINING
1000 BTCMC
1000 ASICMINER

Dividends:
80.23046000 BTC from DMC's ASICMINER shares
29.76550066 BTC from my ASICMINER shares

109.99596066 BTC total

Progress:
1691 to 1966 BTC paid into DMC over 20909 shares
1015 BTC returned for 9,330 shares (0.108 each)
8.95 BTC returned for 186 shares (0.048 each)
54.57 BTC returned for 620 shares  (0.087 each)
169.46 BTC dividends paid

443.12 to 718.12 BTC still owed for 51.52% of shares
245  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DiabloMiner GPU Miner on: March 30, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
Hi all, after some successfull 1 GPU mining I tried 2 GPUs setup, but DiabloMiner does not recognize the second GPU.
My primary is Gigabyte 7950 now, but the secondary MSI 7850 can not be started.
I used "-D " from 0 to 21. but only "3" gives me access to my primary GPU.
It may be because I installed IntelOCL and Nvidia drivers before ATI drivers.
(Nvidia's oclDeviceQuery gives me "no nvidia" - defaulting to first platform - intel i5)
How can I force "platform" to AMD ?
How can I enable the second GPU (lspci sees it)
Thanks a lot, happy mining !
----
Fedora Core 18 x64, kernel 3.8.4, amd app 2.8, diablo probably 3 weeks old from git (but compiled on older fedora 16 - can this be a problem ?)


You're using DM wrong. -D is a list, and the default is all devices that can run OCL.
246  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 30, 2013, 01:05:39 AM
Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Cooling, electrical availability, and security. Also, most apartment complexes forbid commercial use.

Lets take Avalon as an example, the numbers should be similar to ASICMINER boards due to similar tech.

A 3 module Avalon would need 600w to do 66gh. 600w on 120v is 5 amps. You can put 3 of these on a standard NEMA 5-15 120v line, or 15 amps to run 198gh. This is equivalent to 8 amps on Euro 230v, so you could plug 6 of these on a single circuit if you're using an appropriate 230v/30a circuit. This is also approximately 9 watts per gh.

This also means you need about 2050 BTU/hr cooling per unit. Home air conditioning units are usually low efficiency and non-redundant, and are often sold in 9000 or 12000 BTU sizes and are not meant to run 24/7. A 9000 BTU unit could service 3 units and could wear out during the course of a really hot summer. A 9000 BTU air conditioner could use 600 or more watts.

So, for every 3 units, you're using 1800 + 600w, or 20a on 120v, or to round up to the least common multiple between 15 and 20, 12 units would take 60a. 60a would be 4 circuits, or probably all an average apartment in the US has that isn't dedicated to water heater, heat/cooling, oven, or fridge.

In the US, an apartment, even a small one in a unpopulated area, could go for $1000-1500/mo. For that, you're getting no building security, having to pay for your own cooling, having to staff your own on site techs, for 12 units that do 792GH.

Instead, he could do business with a DC that handles high compute density customers, and pay $2000-2500/mo per rack, get 4 120v 20a circuits, security, redundant cooling, and on site techs as part of the cost, and given 9 watts per gh, and given 9600w per rack, you'd end up with about 1067gh or approximately 12 4 module Avalons or 16 3 module Avalons.

Given the shape of the Avalon case is approximately 4U and using 4 module Avalons you can put 1584gh physically into a single rack, given the 80a 120v budget, 1056gh, leaving 24U empty or 1/3rd of the rack or 2U in between each unit.


Only problem with traditional datacenters is that the are spec'd out for much lower power density devices.. There aren't really any other computing devices that have this high power density. Even rack servers aren't nearly this dense. IE: You need way more power and cooling for the same amount of square footage.

Oh, I completely agree. the company I'm trying to startup is focusing directly on customers like friedcat. Its very not easy, and its a somewhat niche market (many would be customers couldn't even afford to fill a rack).
247  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 29, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Cooling, electrical availability, and security. Also, most apartment complexes forbid commercial use.

Lets take Avalon as an example, the numbers should be similar to ASICMINER boards due to similar tech.

A 3 module Avalon would need 600w to do 66gh. 600w on 120v is 5 amps. You can put 3 of these on a standard NEMA 5-15 120v line, or 15 amps to run 198gh. This is equivalent to 8 amps on Euro 230v, so you could plug 6 of these on a single circuit if you're using an appropriate 230v/30a circuit. This is also approximately 9 watts per gh.

This also means you need about 2050 BTU/hr cooling per unit. Home air conditioning units are usually low efficiency and non-redundant, and are often sold in 9000 or 12000 BTU sizes and are not meant to run 24/7. A 9000 BTU unit could service 3 units and could wear out during the course of a really hot summer. A 9000 BTU air conditioner could use 600 or more watts.

So, for every 3 units, you're using 1800 + 600w, or 20a on 120v, or to round up to the least common multiple between 15 and 20, 12 units would take 60a. 60a would be 4 circuits, or probably all an average apartment in the US has that isn't dedicated to water heater, heat/cooling, oven, or fridge.

In the US, an apartment, even a small one in a unpopulated area, could go for $1000-1500/mo. For that, you're getting no building security, having to pay for your own cooling, having to staff your own on site techs, for 12 units that do 792GH.

Instead, he could do business with a DC that handles high compute density customers, and pay $2000-2500/mo per rack, get 4 120v 20a circuits, security, redundant cooling, and on site techs as part of the cost, and given 9 watts per gh, and given 9600w per rack, you'd end up with about 1067gh or approximately 12 4 module Avalons or 16 3 module Avalons.

Given the shape of the Avalon case is approximately 4U and using 4 module Avalons you can put 1584gh physically into a single rack, given the 80a 120v budget, 1056gh, leaving 24U empty or 1/3rd of the rack or 2U in between each unit.

248  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 29, 2013, 03:27:57 PM
friedcat, exactly how much GH is currently operating atm?
249  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DiabloMiner GPU Miner on: March 28, 2013, 04:24:10 AM
I'm sorry to ask what I'm certain has been covered before, but how do I configure Diablo to switch to another pool server if the "main" one fails?
I understand that I can specify multiple pools with commas, but doesn't that mine concurrently?

No, it switches on failure.
250  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Diablo Mining Company [shifting gears] on: March 27, 2013, 07:50:21 PM
Shouldn't we be getting dividends on them AM shares? That the company has 1000 of?

Today is only the 27th.

Oh, werd, thought it was a weekly thing... My bad...

AM dividends are, DMC dividends are monthly.
251  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Diablo Mining Company [shifting gears] on: March 27, 2013, 07:24:26 PM
Shouldn't we be getting dividends on them AM shares? That the company has 1000 of?

Today is only the 27th.
252  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DiabloMiner GPU Miner on: March 20, 2013, 06:47:06 AM
Figured i'd give it a try, put each one in separately and powered it up, as well as alternating the PCI-E plugs, and always get hardware errors.
I guess this is their way of saying its over for me and GPU mining.

They've been fine during gaming, so ive no reason to believe they've had a significant failure, but clearly something isnt happy in there. Oh well, thanks for the suggestions anyway.

Run DM with -d and see which GPU is giving errors. One might actually have gone faulty. Also, are both fans functioning correctly? And are they both consistently under 85f?
253  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DiabloMiner GPU Miner on: March 20, 2013, 12:48:29 AM
I've recently started getting 100% hardware errors, and ive no idea what to do.
Ive used driver sweeper to remove the AMD drivers and reinstalled them with reboots each time, and the hw errors tally is the only thing moving.

I've been using the same settings for quite some time, but ive removed them and just used the username/password/port and still get the same thing. I have 2x 6870s and mine each individually, and both are doing the same thing.

Can anyone offer any insight as to what the cause may be?

Sounds like theres something radically wrong with your hardware. Take the video cards completely out, clean the heatsinks, and then firmly reinsert them and make the PCI-E power plugs are inserted firmly and correctly.
254  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DiabloMiner GPU Miner on: March 16, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
In case somebody needs overclocking under Linux :

git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/amdovdrvctrl/code amdovdrvctrl-code
yum -y install wxGTK-devel
copy ADL(amd adl sdk) headers to ./src
make
./amdovdrvctrl-code/Release/AMDOverdriveCtrl 1050.ovdr # nice - 315Mh/s Smiley
... 1120.ovdr nice - 337Mh/s Smiley


This is what I was going to suggest to you. Its the only way to really handle this problem. I'm aware cgminer can overclock automatically, but I don't think thats the right solution.
255  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 15, 2013, 04:51:59 AM
No, I actually calculated it wrong. I calculated the buyback using the 1000 shares DMC owns, but not in addition to the 371 I'm using the dividends from to speed the DMC repair effort, but paid DMC dividends from the entire 1371. Its supposed to be 50/50, but I buy shares over time as prices fluctuate. What you claim as quarter of cash is closer to 1/8th and it was sitting on Bitfunder waiting for the order to be fulfilled, so it was still being used on buyback.

The actual difference should be 1000 shares worth of dividends buy back, 1371 shares worth of dividends paid as dividends.

Are you saying that, as you buy back DMC shares, 11 shares of DMC will be worth more than 1 AM share?

Or does the buy-back and extra 371 only effect dividends?

The 371 shares remain my property, but the dividends from those are spent towards the buyback and DMC dividends 50/50. If you're pricing DMC by dividend, you count all 1371 shares; if you're pricing by asset value, you count 1000 shares.
256  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 15, 2013, 04:23:49 AM
Where/how can one buy shares?

If i wanted to buy 10 shares, what % of ASICMINERS network total would that be equal to. Also what would 10 shares cost? And are any shares available?

You can buy 11 shares of DMC on Bitfunder and trade them (someday) for 1 ASICMINER.

If you just want the exposure, buy into a pass-through or a mining fund holding the shares, such has JAH.

https://bitfunder.com/asset/DMC
https://bitfunder.com/asset/JAH
https://bitfunder.com/asset/G.ASICMINER-PT

I'm buying all three!   Cool

Would buying DMC at current values not give you the same exposure to ASICMINER as buying a share for 0.50 (or close to).  Seems like a better deal then the pass-throughs.

In theory it would, yes.

In practice Diablo has a declared policy on paying out half received dividends as dividends and using half to execute buybacks of shares.  Last dividend he actually paid out over half as dividends, used well under half for buybacks and kept about 1/4 as cash.  No idea why - so you take on the gamble of his semi-random actions.  On the bright side, every time he buys back you own more ASICMINER shares/share - so its good for long-term exposire.  On bad side he pays dividends monthly so you have to wait for them then see what random percent he pays out, what random percent he buys back with and what random percent he keeps as cash for no stated reason.

No, I actually calculated it wrong. I calculated the buyback using the 1000 shares DMC owns, but not in addition to the 371 I'm using the dividends from to speed the DMC repair effort, but paid DMC dividends from the entire 1371. Its supposed to be 50/50, but I buy shares over time as prices fluctuate. What you claim as quarter of cash is closer to 1/8th and it was sitting on Bitfunder waiting for the order to be fulfilled, so it was still being used on buyback.

The actual difference should be 1000 shares worth of dividends buy back, 1371 shares worth of dividends paid as dividends.
257  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 03, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
Trust me. there is a vast amount of better investments than 0.1 % short term bonds AAPL is holding. If this is truly what AAPL believes they are ignorant and shareholder unfriendly.

Thats the first step to not investing in Apple. Be proud of yourself, support your local startups.
258  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 03, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
If AAPL kan invest the money better, what the hell is it doing with 130 billion $ in cash and short term investments?

I think you didn't read what I wrote. Apple doesn't believe there is a good investment out there, thus is sitting on the cash instead. Its better to sit on it than burn it doing dumb shit.

I think you didn't read what I wrote. AAPL is sitting on the cash because they don't see other good investments and should start returning the cash to shareholders because they will be able to earn a better return on it than under AAPL's mattress. And alas AAPL has started a dividend last year. I'm not sure what portion of the cash is in non-us subsidiaries and therefore liable tax) but if I were a shareholder I'd prefer a large special dividend.

Except you're implying shareholders can find better investments. I think Apple might be actually correct in this, there aren't any better investments.

And yes, now that Steve Jobs is dead, Apple is slowly turning into yet another dying pointless tech company and has begun issuing dividends; although, arguably, Apple died the day people like Woz left Apple.
259  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 03, 2013, 03:00:48 PM
If AAPL kan invest the money better, what the hell is it doing with 130 billion $ in cash and short term investments?

I think you didn't read what I wrote. Apple doesn't believe there is a good investment out there, thus is sitting on the cash instead. Its better to sit on it than burn it doing dumb shit.
260  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 03, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Even though you get less dividends you still have a share of the company so any retained earnings invested in expansion adds value for shareholders.

Dividends arent the main game.

I agree with this. This is the first company in Bitcoin history where it could have never issued dividends, and we'd be buying it based on earnings reports and asset valuations. This is a pretty big deal, imo.
Yep, dividends are certainly nice but ASICMINER is a great investment even without it. Kinda like how Apple didn't initially issue dividends?

Steve Jobs never believed in dividends and thought investors who chased those were idiots, and didn't want idiots investing in his company. Most of the best businessmen in history believe(d) only idiots chased dividends as well, including Warren Buffet, although its uniquely Steve Jobs that only wanted smart people investing in his company.

Buffet likes stockholder friendly companies that use excessive cash flow to pay a dividend. If the company can invest it better than the shareholder (many companies think that, most just destroy value) they shouldn't pay dividends but instead invest the money, because this would bring maximum return for the shareholder. This is why BRK does not pay a dividend. Buffet think he can invest the money better than his shareholders (BRK is an (re)insurer/investment-firm conglomerate for crying out loud, although imo they should probably let others lead the reinsurance business).

TLDR: Dividends are generally nice.

It depends on the company. I think Apple CAN reinvest the money better, for example. Case in point, they have a lot of cash sitting around earning very little because there are no good investments, everything out there would just be a waste of capital.
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