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421  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: The ∑ Number Game - Week 5/9 to 5/16 BTC Pot: 10 BTC [Open] on: May 11, 2012, 10:36:22 PM
am I to late ?

if not, dibs 170

also can you work out a way to do a persistent link ? will make it easier for me and my list Wink


No dibs, have to pay to play.

And yes, if it becomes a weekly game, I think I have a method of providing a persistent link for you.
422  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Emergency ANN] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: May 11, 2012, 09:45:58 PM
it is your money and your responsibility.  That's the Bitcoin idea remember?  The power of money is returned to the people?

This theft is not a bug, it's a feature.


LOL, quite true.

Let see: I have control over my money; I give it to someone else to control; they loose the money; it's their fault, not mine; give me my money back; we can't that is the 'feature' of bitcoin.

People are learning, slowly but surly, they are.

Soon these 'official' bitcoin businesses will have to have BDIC (Bitcoin Deposit Insurance Corporation) Insurance for deposits.

Hey, there is an idea. Someone sell bonds for it on GLBSE.

423  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Emergency ANN] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: May 11, 2012, 09:26:47 PM
I have repeatedly told people that Bitcoinica is a scam and that Bitcoinica staff should be banned from the forums.

Maybe now people will actually listen.

Bitcoinica is a regulated entity, verifiable by government records. We are one of the most legitimate businesses in Bitcoin community, by any standard.


The security standard?
424  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin FBI Report April 2012 on: May 11, 2012, 07:48:09 PM
Aren't the ridged edges of the Bitcoin logo simply due to the low quality of the entire document though?

Oh, you mean the edges were even more clear?

I suppose it could be tested.

Meh... Not really that concerned as to the report.

I am more impressed with your work and speed in transcribing then the original authors efforts put into the report.

::Props::

425  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin FBI Report April 2012 on: May 11, 2012, 07:21:15 PM
Sgt,

Referencing: http://www.scribd.com/doc/92797476/FBI-Bitcoin-Report-April-2012 as the original. The logo ridged edges around the boarders. This could easily be solved but was not. Anyone printing and/or seeing it would immediately see the Cut/Paste of the logo which would seem very, Unofficial, Unprofessional, and very Unclassified. But it might have just been an 'intern' creating the document, since there really wasn't any useful information in the report for the agencies in which it was distributed. I can imagine people at those agencies after reading it saying: "Geesh Thanks, next time just send a link to bitcointalk.org and save some tax payer dollars." OR "Hey fellas, we have 'another' FBI report; lunch time."

But as said, the contents might be correct and things added later.
426  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin FBI Report April 2012 on: May 11, 2012, 06:33:24 PM
In light of new evidence, I'm inclined to believe that the document is real and the source who wants to remain anonymous is unwilling to explain publicly. It is however still possible that the source is lying and just made it himself and doesn't want to be persecuted publicly. Either way, I think his job is at risk by coming clean either way so I'll just say that without proof directly from the FBI I would still recommend that journalists with any self respect at least mention that this PDF is suspect and unverified and not quote it directly as if the FBI handed it to you themselves like Wired did.


I still don't believe in its authenticity as presented in the original document simply because of the artifacts on the 1st page in the originally presented document. The transcribed document used by Wired and the other news sources that reference Wired shouldn't be presented as an original (props to Sgt). The originally released document might have been altered for presentation effect but the basis of the report correct.

A distribution list has been published at the end of the document. The RCMP and New Zealand Police would probably tell a News Agency if they have received a similar document and could confirm the authenticity as presented before a FOIA Request would respond.

I must admit the 'report' did a better job sourcing than many news reports do today. I really would wish that this reputable agency would put a basic sourcing claimer at the bottom of their stories. Something simple: A source from <Insert Agency> here has confirmed.

Because of the way the story is being presented in the press: The FBI Fears Bitcoin, it will do more good than harm to Bitcoin and draw a lot of people to BTC. So, I would expect the FBI to make some statement about the report if it is false.

btw: A method of detecting leak sources is to slightly alter the distributed documents to each agency. So if a leak occurs, it is immediately determined within a reasonable suspicion which agency has the leak.

I assumed people have checked, the original document, for government approved font type.
427  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin FBI Report April 2012 on: May 11, 2012, 03:52:30 AM

tl;dr FBI doesn't care about bitcoin... yet



FBI has chosen at the moment to defer operational jurisdiction, so that bitcoin businesses may be enrolled in the United States Treasury Financial Crimes Enforcement Network and in the States in which they operate.

If MSBs do not comply I'm sure you will find that the FBI/EOUSA starts to care. Failure to license and register the business may result in prosecution under Title 18 U.S.C. § 1960 "PROHIBITION OF UNLICENSED MONEY TRANSMITTING BUSINESSES."

Ok, that is funny

See the problem is, unfortunately, the U.S. has lost its way and a lot of its power to tell others what to do. The Laws that they are trying to enforce are for the most part ignored everywhere else. Hence, a vacuum is being created which is sucking all the business out of the United States. Big businesses have enough 'pull' to ignore the rules and set up shops overseas. Small Businesses and Personal accounts are left to the vultures.

So, I would suggest that 'we' get with the program and bend like a reed in the wind rather than be a brick wall trying to hold back a tidal wave.

Under that law, if you take money from someone to give to someone else, you are guilty. Think about that. It is a badly written law. There should at least be a qualifying clause before it can go into effect: Such as once the annual revenue reaches a preset amount adjusted to the CPI.

The ABA thinks there may be nearly ten thousand laws, the Congressional Research Center has lost track. So, narrate what you did today and a lawyer can tell you how many laws you broke. It is no longer about the 'law' because we know that the only reason the 'law' is there now is to punish people they want to punish. It has stopped being there to 'serve' the people.

Any 'law' that is unenforceable is by definition: A moot point.  Illegal or legal matters not when one can't enforce the 'law.'

With the above noted, I don't mean to be complicit in money laundering or the use of 'blood' money. However, it is a world economy now and not sets of local ones. Why doesn't the Law Enforcement Agencies try to stop the crimes that require the use of money laundering rather than trying to stop money laundering?

So when you come in and state the 'LAW', please consider what it is there to do now. It is there to keep the 'small' guys from taking business from the 'big' guys and NOT to create a fair and equal playing field for the people. Yes, the criminal element will take advantage of monetary systems. Did you think that would ever stop? So, Mr. FBI agent get up off your seat in front of your computer and get in the game. Seriously, your not going to catch the big fish that really do harm to people because they pay more and hire the best and brightest away from you. You know, like BoA, WF, UBS, HBSC, EXXON, BP, etc...  They are in the majors while you are still playing in the minors. They have developed methods of communicating with out really communicating using innuendo, hunting trips, fishing trips, sailing trips, golf, etc... The places with out, you got it, computer and cell phone usage.

However, 'I have a Dream' that one day every individual on the planet could easily and effectively transfer currencies among themselves without fear of repercussions from governments. I have a Dream to empower the people and put the money back into their control. I have a Dream that governments will be forced to serve the people rather than the people serve the governments. I have a Dream that rather than people fearing the Governments that the Governments will fear the people. I have a Dream that a person's sweat and labor goes towards themselves and not towards overburdensome taxes.


End Rant.
428  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: The ∑ Number Game - Week 5/9 to 5/16 BTC Pot: 10 BTC [Open] on: May 11, 2012, 02:26:34 AM
(bump)
429  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: mtgox/bitcoinica historical price data? on: May 10, 2012, 09:58:10 PM
Yes.

I'll PM
430  Other / Meta / Re: Unjust scammer tag on: May 10, 2012, 08:04:51 PM
Quote
Can I become a donator scammer


LOL, Yes. If you donate, you'll find out I'm not lying. May I suggest 25 BTC. Tongue
431  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MtGox Collapsing (and taking bitcoin down with them?) on: May 10, 2012, 07:14:21 PM
Hey,

Before the Bank Run starts, someone let me know.

Casascius, nice service. Smiley

Edit: How much of a discount?
432  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MtGox Collapsing (and taking bitcoin down with them?) on: May 10, 2012, 06:24:09 PM
MTGOX MUST ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS STRAIGHT.

DO YOU EVER ISSUE MORE MTGOX BTC REDEEMABLE CODE THAN YOU HAVE ACTUAL BITCOINS?

AND

DO YOU EVER ISSUE MORE MTGOX USD REDEEMABLE CODE THAN YOU HAVE ACTUAL USD?




What's wrong with a little reserve banking? Everyone is doing it.


AND STOP YELLING!!!!


433  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need some feedback on a potential reloadable prepaid VISA program on: May 10, 2012, 06:21:14 PM
Well there are 'persons' in California that can get Pre-paid cards without a SSN but they do need to provide a consulate Id Number.


Technically that wouldn't be a SSN/EIN/TIN.

So, Hola!
434  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [???] BitPak pulled from the AppStore ? on: May 10, 2012, 06:08:40 PM
It's not funny. They could pull it off.

How much for that new Mac? 20 's  or 20
435  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin FBI Report April 2012 on: May 10, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
Hey, Sgt

You're published. Smiley

Charge more next time.
436  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: The ∑ Number Game - Week 5/9 to 5/16 BTC Pot: 10 BTC [Open] on: May 10, 2012, 05:06:13 PM
I've thought a lot about how to play this and I just can't.

I can't say for sure that not playing is the right move (with the money added I'll try to watch and get the only move in right at the end though!), but think about this:

Same game, only 2 players allowed 1 move each. Do you want to go first or second? Same game 3 players allowed 1 move each, do you want to go first, second or third? I don't think uncertainty about the number of moves changes the badness of going early, at least not much.


hmm... Interesting. In the first case, second (if only 2 people are allowed). Restricting the amount of players the ideal is to be the last player.

However, without such restriction, the strategies employed can become moot with every new player. And once all the slots are filled, it becomes a simple number of combinations and odds game.

To ask another question: If you knew all the slots would be purchased, what number would you choose then?

Nah... I think it is fun. It might not go over here and that is fine. I do expect a rush at the end now after all it is $50

The fun thing will be there should be a rush at the end, but if there are a lot of purchases at the end then the earlier you bid the better, it's CRAZY. That is why I like it.

I have thought of purchasing a slot myself but can't ethically do it, since I am running it here. If there was no pot, it wouldn't matter if I purchased a slot.
437  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin FBI Report April 2012 on: May 10, 2012, 04:39:04 PM
I wonder what editor at Wired read the Transcribed Document for errors and put it up as an Original. LOL

I guess people need to do more transcribing.

Poor guy is going to get into trouble.


Oh to add some fodder: Is it:  Organized or Organised?  and how and when do you spell each? hmm...
438  Other / Off-topic / Re: Hunting Atlas on: May 10, 2012, 06:30:59 AM
 Iapetus Jr.
439  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: May 10, 2012, 05:17:07 AM
Hello everyone I'm a graphic designer looking to do some work for bitcoins!

I need a new avatar to fit my magnanimous bearish position.

How much?



1LukeLuix4CWLNLCv5aE9ZZ1Z7YHRuBq47


LOL, Not bad but I think it is a little to cuddly. It just has that kid thing about it.
Have anything else... More mature looking?

btw: Luke is that you? I mean with 1Luke 
440  Economy / Lending / Re: Want to invest / lend 80BTC to the right cause. on: May 10, 2012, 05:07:30 AM
Will lend to someone who does not deal with any religious, socialist, or altruistic organization.
Only will lend to atheists and pro free market capitalism. Please describe how you plan to use the loan. You will have to return at interest.

Contradiction?

Meh... Your money.

You know I see where you are going here, but to me you could substitute religious/black, socialist/capitalist, altruistic/Banks.

I'm pro free market capitalism, so I would have to set up several loan threads, Black Only Loans, White Only Loans, Atheists Only Loans, Christian Loans, Jewish Loans, etc... etc... to capitalize on the Market.

OR I could just say: A Loan is available and save a lot of typing.

Even the IBB loans to christians. (I think)

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