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1  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Holding unregulated crypto asset may attract punishment in India on: October 19, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
If it becomes a law, this amounts to full fledged banning. And on top of this, they are mulling enforcing a state-backed crypto: https://qz.com/india/1418897/after-strangling-bitcoin-india-may-launch-its-own-cryptocurrency/
While they keep calling it crypto, it will probably be a CBDC which is basically fiat in digital form. And the panel which set out to "study and research" crypto's effects in India constitutes RBI, SEBI and Ministry of Finance officials. All 3 bodies have been anti-crypto from the start. Not sure if Govt enforces a crackdown, there is much that can be done except for an appeal to the Supreme Court. Though, even that seems like a losing battle considering the petition filed by crypto exchanges against the banking ban is still awaiting a hearing date from the Court after the last set of hearings got over several weeks back.

Banking ban has already weakened the crypto scene in India and the court trial is getting delayed every single time. Now if they start taking punitive actions, it will put the last nail on the coffin of cryptos in India!
We can't afford to be left behind. Again. I remember commenting on this thread earlier this year about Kazakhstan banning crypto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3232750) without even realising that we could be in their shoes before the year ends  Cry

I think the cryptosphere, in general, will also lose out if a billion people are suddenly cut out of crypto completely. Other countries could take cue from this and start banning crypto too. This is now everybody's battle and should raise a hue and cry across the world.
2  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-17] Is bitcoin real money? Tech giant Google says ‘NO’ on: October 18, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
Look, I am a cryptocurrency expert, too. In my opinion, some people are taking that spot way too seriously. It is funny. Get over it.
+1
It's just a funny spot. Not to be taken too seriously.
That bit is probably an extension of Ronny Chieng's previous coverage on cryptocurrencies for The Daily Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRItzSX0aCM
3  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-14] Coinatory: India is studying the implementation of the blockchain.. on: October 17, 2018, 04:34:40 PM
Agree with dabsV12 on this. The helplessness is palpable. Authorities here are intent on outlawing every other crypto other than the state backed one: https://qz.com/india/1418897/after-strangling-bitcoin-india-may-launch-its-own-cryptocurrency/

From the article: What’s worse is that the government may also kill or ban the existence of other digital currencies if a government-backed cryptocurrency is rolled out.

“The panel is also discussing amendment of the Currency Act to make possession of any cryptocurrency, not approved by the government, a punishable offence,” said the government official.


Funny thing is the authorities invited crypto exchange reps to learn about crypto and then stopped banking services to them. We are now in the august company of only two other countries that are planning to or have already implemented a state-backed crypto, Venezuela and Iran. And just like always we will look on while the rest of the world progresses.
4  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: October 17, 2018, 02:34:38 PM
Update. This just came in: https://www.ccn.com/indian-govt-panel-could-propose-illegalizing-holding-of-unregulated-crypto-assets-report/

While I thought that we could not go further backwards, looks like I underestimated the powers that be. This is heartbreaking to say the least. TBH, I have nothing more to say  Sad
5  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10- 04] Indian Government Websites Hacked For Unauthorized Crypto Mining on: October 16, 2018, 01:20:47 PM
Nah, not finished really. It's been going on for quite some time and this is a pretty old piece of news that keeps popping up from time to time. But it's stuff like this that causes knee-jerk reactions here like banking services ban on crypto.
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: joining Niguel Roubini (intelligence challenge) on: October 15, 2018, 03:47:59 PM

Apparently decentralisation = fascism now

Ideology of crypto is right wing white supremacist "black helicopters" paranoia & conspiracy about centralized evil governments, central banks, banks, jews, corporations, trusted institutions that need to be destroyed &replaced by libertarian decentralization. Fascist at core!

He's losing it badly

His twitter page is very depressing to be honest. A lettered man like him being spiteful all the time in his regular communication. Surely he must have some benefit from the constant FUD. Otherwise, how can someone learned keep spewing malice like "crypto barking dog", "stinking cesspool", "brainless dwarf" etc.?
7  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: October 15, 2018, 02:32:45 PM
... they will soon find themselves be left over way behind in the crypto-currency space.
That is one of my major worries. All this uncertainty and confusion will leave us way behind while the rest of the world progresses on.

...here is ET timeline about RBI vs Bitcoin : https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/rbi-bitcoin
you can see how the thing has progressed so far, there were u-turns,deadlines, final decisions etc...
Thanks for the link. That's a scary timeline indeed.

...but they have postponed the hearing yet again...
Yup. Next hearing will be most likely on 22-Oct-18: https://twitter.com/cryptokanoon/status/1050386026475245573
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: joining Niguel Roubini (intelligence challenge) on: October 12, 2018, 12:23:34 PM
I scanned through his paper and see nothing that hasn't been discussed here ad nauseam: not a real money, no intrinsic value, a bubble. Beating a dead horse.

If he came up with something new then please post it here, otherwise I don't see why anyone would care spending time and posting an extensive rebuttal.


Edit: related:
https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoiners-shoot-down-roubinis-us-senate-testimony/
Yup. He has always been a crypto detractor no matter what the market does. Just putting this out there, this is Roubini in 2013: https://twitter.com/nouriel/status/324105305464131584  Grin
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 310 Bitcoins to anyone who can solve the puzzle! on: October 11, 2018, 12:11:29 PM
I checked his BTC address and it has total balance 0.11, however on the to of website it says 310 BTC reward.
I doubt he has made this puzzle page for fun and time pass, puzzle is too hard to solve, may be someome can solve amd verify if he is paying really

It got solved by 3 guys and they split the amount between themselves (can be seen in the txn link posted by NeuroticFish above). There was a dedicated community of people trying to solve it in the Neon District Discord. They announced the puzzle getting solved and being split by 3 people. So there's only BTC dust left in the wallet now.

Here's the Reddit thread maintained by the person (Pip) who set up the puzzle: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9kq7it/introducing_the_310_btc_bitcoin_challenge/
10  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: October 10, 2018, 03:44:13 PM
This is the official response to anything crypto: https://www.ccn.com/indias-securities-regulator-tight-lipped-on-crypto-regulation-inquiry-reveals/

TLDR: Unsatisfactory and incomplete response from regulator to queries on its research and work so far on crypto, study tours to crypto friendly nations etc.

RTI (Right to Information) Application filed by Blockchain Lawyer (https://twitter.com/Blockchainlaw91): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLFxZjhf-vwhwXZo__IU6pWt0rPmtUwv/view

Revert by SEBI: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cQh2sCmguHndVG_Vid5Oslgl01MQz9NT/view

SEBI is India's securities market regulator. And they largely reflect the sentiment of the Reserve Bank and the Govt. Looks like the uncertainty wrt official stance on crypto will continue for quite some time. Will try to keep this thread updated with the latest on the Indian situation if and when I find the time.
11  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-07]Venezuela Mandates Passport Fees Must Be Paid on: October 09, 2018, 01:00:47 PM
Would be interesting to watch how Dash does in this situation and especially post launch of Petro in November.
So far, Dash has been adopted by quite a few Venezuelan merchants (more than 50% of Dash accepting merchants are from Venezuela; https://twitter.com/StayDashy/status/1048678327693856768). And to top it all, there are allegations of Petro being a Dash lookalike.
Personally, I don't think a state-backed (in this case, state enforced) crypto like Petro will do well anywhere outside the country. Venezuela had offered a 30% discount to India if they purchase oil with crypto but they declined the offer (https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/India-Wont-Pay-For-Venezuelan-Oil-With-Petro-Cryptocurrency.html).
12  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10- 03] From Pizza To Lambos: Charting Bitcoin’s First Decade on: October 08, 2018, 01:01:37 PM
No matter how bad it is that certain bitcoin user didnt expect for its coin to boom up
in upcoming years but if im on his feet i wont really make any regrets yet you made a history that wont really be easily forgotten.
Rightly said. He is now a part of history. Laszlo Hanyecz is also one of the early contributors to bitcoin code and in multiple interviews has mentioned that he does not regret parting with the 10k BTC (For example, https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-pizza-guy-laszlo-hanyecz-on-why-bitcoin-is-still-the-only-flavor-of-crypto-for-him). In fact, most early bitcoin adopters/developers gave away a lot of BTCs. In fact, Gav Andresen (who is also one of the early devs) had created a faucet in 2011 that gave away a total of 10k BTCs (@5 BTC/person/day) that he had supposedly purchased for only 50$.

Thanks for the share up mate! Daily updates of the price of that 10k btc.
You're welcome Smiley
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO investment tips? on: October 06, 2018, 12:25:04 PM
Detailed some steps to follow to avoid scam ICOs here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5024445.msg46019400#msg46019400

But the most important point of all is to find whether it is absolutely necessary to have the coin/token in the first place (i.e. would the project not be possible without a coin/token Eg. ETH for smart contracts) or whether having the coin/token actually solves an existing problem/fills a gap (Eg. Streamr - data ownership and tokenization) or whether it's a novelty item that captures a niche market (Eg. cryptokitties). If any of the above is true, then it is an ICO worth exploring.
14  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10- 03] From Pizza To Lambos: Charting Bitcoin’s First Decade on: October 06, 2018, 11:16:58 AM
Ah, this was cool!
For TLDR fans: 2 Pizzas -> iPad -> 1oz Gold -> Berkshire Hathaway Class A share -> Tesla Model S -> Ellen Degeneres’ ranch -> first Superman comic book -> 2 special edition Lambos -> Paul Newman’s Rolex -> Mark Rothko’s No. 6 -> Lockheed Martin F-35A jet -> Excellence V yacht
It has been a roller coaster ride indeed. But we are just getting started. Transactions topped USD 1B only last year. For anybody interested, there is a Twitter handle that tracks the value of those 2 pizzas in US dollars everyday: https://twitter.com/bitcoin_pizza?lang=en
15  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: October 05, 2018, 12:59:44 PM
...banning crypto exchanges and prohibiting the common folk from dealing in crypto is pointless, there will always be a way...
For sure! Exchanges have started P2P with escrow services. And it works very well already. Tried that for the first time few days back. Fiat transfer + transfer confirmation + crypto transfer took less than a minute all together. Fiat transfer took the majority of the minute.
16  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: October 04, 2018, 10:08:31 PM
...I don't know if this is a coordinated attack or not but why is the Supreme Court's verdict taking so long?
There's no easy answer to this. But it probably has some relation to 2 other pieces of news:
1. RBI (India's Central Bank) mulling a Central bank digital currency i.e. CBDC (https://cointelegraph.com/news/reserve-bank-of-india-confirms-it-is-looking-into-making-a-central-bank-digital-currency)
2. The Govt. sending teams to Japan and Switzerland to study crypto (https://cointelegraph.com/news/india-sends-officials-to-us-japan-and-switzerland-to-study-cryptocurrency-and-icos)
The Court is probably waiting for expert reports on these studies before reaching a final verdict. Because the appelants (crypto lobbyists, exchanges) have already made their final set of submissions last week itself. So nothing is left from their end.
17  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: October 03, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
I've heard news about a potential appeal against the regulations imposed on these exchanges, but haven't heard anything from that since.

Crypto lobbyists, exchanges and enthusiasts have together petitioned to the highest court (the Supreme Court) for repealing the bank ban. The Court heard the last set of appeals last Tuesday. The Reserve Bank has also presented its arguments against crypto to the Court. Judgement on the case is awaited as of this moment.
18  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: September 29, 2018, 03:02:47 PM
Hamstrung for months by the Indian central bank’s diktat disallowing banks to undertake any cryptocurrency-related transactions, Zebpay said it was shuttering its exchange.

“The curb on bank accounts has crippled our, and our customers’, ability to transact business meaningfully. At this point, we are unable to find a reasonable way to conduct the cryptocurrency exchange business,” Zebpay said in a blog post. “As a result, we are stopping our exchange activities.”

Still yesterday, I said that the bitcoin in India was going to the abyss because of its government that shows no sympathy for bitcoin and today I listen to this news that clearly shows that the government of India will not change its decision, I say this because an exchange like Zebpay may have realized that the situation in India will not change so soon. this is very sad


It's true that the govt. till now has had an anti-stance to crypto completely. But the Supreme Court heard petitions on the banking ban on crypto few days back. So a lot of things now hang in the balance on the Supreme Court's decision. If the Court decides in favor of the petitioners, then the ban would have to rolled back. Fingers crossed.
19  Bitcoin / Press / [2018-09-28] One of India’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges is shutting down on: September 28, 2018, 02:02:08 PM
Hamstrung for months by the Indian central bank’s diktat disallowing banks to undertake any cryptocurrency-related transactions, Zebpay said it was shuttering its exchange.

“The curb on bank accounts has crippled our, and our customers’, ability to transact business meaningfully. At this point, we are unable to find a reasonable way to conduct the cryptocurrency exchange business,” Zebpay said in a blog post. “As a result, we are stopping our exchange activities.”

https://qz.com/india/1405918/zebpay-a-major-indian-bitcoin-exchange-is-closing/

Link to official tweet: https://twitter.com/zebpay/status/1045568047971352576

P.S. The Zebpay wallet will continue to function even though the exchange will stop operations. So no need to panic withdraw.

Also check the tweet replies. Rival exchanges (Wazirx and Koinex) have seized the opportunity to strut their stuff Tongue
20  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-25] journalducoin.com - India: the central bank worried ... on: September 27, 2018, 12:21:35 PM
Most likely, India will soon join countries in which the circulation of crypto currency will be fully allowed.
Fingers crossed. The Supreme Court just heard the last set of appeals yesterday. No timeline announced for a final decision yet.

Though it seems like a verdict which is entirely in favor of crypto seems like a far stretch considering the stance of authorities so far. Let's see. But at least, the banking ban will probably be lifted.
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