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201  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: August 06, 2015, 01:38:18 AM
202  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Transgender on: August 06, 2015, 01:00:36 AM
203  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: August 06, 2015, 12:52:49 AM


204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: You've been warned, America, gay marriage is just the beginning on: August 06, 2015, 12:51:25 AM
205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: August 05, 2015, 11:52:17 PM
206  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: August 05, 2015, 11:26:06 PM

 When you see your loving mother, is "fucking" all you can think about, too?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
207  Other / Politics & Society / Critics of capitalism must include its definition on: August 05, 2015, 04:17:46 PM
I hold the following to be self-evident truth. With a reasonably diligent amount of research, any earnest student of history and science will arrive at the same conclusions about industrial capitalism I outline below:

1. Capitalism is a system of resource distribution which actively prevents equilibrium. All systems approach equilibrium unless prevented from doing so by a constantly applied external force. In capitalism, that force is systematic hierarchical violence.

2. Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized.
Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims. Our way of living—industrial civilization—is based on, requires, and would collapse very quickly without persistent and widespread violence.

3. The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below. It is acceptable for those above to increase the amount of property they control—in everyday language, to make money—by destroying or taking the lives of those below. This is called production.
If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice.

4. Within this culture, economics—not community well-being, not morals, not ethics, not justice, not life itself—drives social decisions. Social decisions are determined primarily (and often exclusively) on the basis of whether these decisions will increase the monetary fortunes of the decision-makers and those they serve.
Stated another way -  Social decisions are founded primarily (and often exclusively) on the almost entirely unexamined belief that the decision-makers and those they serve are entitled to magnify their power and/or financial fortunes at the expense of all those beneath them in the hierarchy.

5. Given the premises stated above, anyone who truly despises violence must be opposed to capitalism. As I love reason and loathe violence (and exploitation, poverty, starvation, indignity, drudgery, and suffering) I am therefore opposed to capitalism. This is not a political choice, I am compelled by the evidence to believe as I do. My reason for opposing capitalism is in essence the same as my reason for opposing religion: I loathe human suffering.

Critics of capitalism must include its definition

Most business leaders, mass media, politicians and academics keep defining capitalism, the main economic system in today’s world, as markets plus private (“free”) enterprises. That definition is wrong. Definitions matter more now than ever as people increasingly question, challenge and want to move beyond capitalism.

Consider the 20th century revolutions that overthrew a capitalism they defined as markets plus free enterprises. In Russia and China, they replaced private, free enterprises with socialized (state-owned-and-operated) enterprises and replaced market mechanisms of distribution with central state-planned distribution. They called that “socialism,” thinking they had abolished and gone beyond capitalism. However, their socialism proved unable to sustain itself and mostly reverted back to capitalism.

One reason those revolutions failed to go beyond capitalism was those revolutionaries’ definition of capitalism and socialism. That definition crucially shaped their strategies for and very conceptions of revolutionary social change. Since that definition still shapes debates over and strategies for social change today, it urgently needs to be criticized and set aside.

Because capitalism is so regularly defined as “a market system,” we may consider first the actual nonequivalence of capitalism and markets. Capitalism became the dominant economic system in England in revolt against feudalism there in the 17th century. Capitalism spread from England to the western European mainland and thereafter to the rest of the world. However, capitalism was neither the first nor the only system to utilize markets as its means of distributing resources and products. In the slave economic systems that prevailed in various times and places across human history, markets were often the means of distributing resources (including slaves themselves) and the products of slaves’ labor. In the pre-Civil War United States, for example, masters sold slaves and cotton produced by slaves in markets. Thus, the presence of a “market system” does not distinguish capitalism from a slave system.

WHATEVER DISTINGUISHES CAPITALISM FROM SUCH OTHER SYSTEMS AS SLAVERY AND FEUDALISM, MARKETS AND FREE ENTERPRISES ARE NOT IT.

The same logic applies to feudalism. In many times and places across European feudalism, for example, products of feudal enterprises (called “manors”) were sold in markets to serfs and lords of other manors. During the 20th century, for example, feudal latifundias in Latin America sold their products on world markets. The presence of a “market system” does not distinguish capitalism from feudalism. Even the presence of a particular market – e.g., for wage labor – is no definite marker of capitalism’s presence. Economic history displays various examples of slaves and serfs having some or all of their labor power exchanged in markets for money or other commodities.

A parallel argument applies to “free enterprise.” The capitalist enterprise is more or less “free” to set the prices, quantities and qualities of its outputs; organize its labor processes; choose among available technologies; and distribute its profits. But much the same has often applied to slave plantations and feudal manors.

Likewise, capitalism has persisted when markets were subordinated to other mechanisms of distribution. For example, during World War 2, ration cards distributed by the US government fundamentally displaced the market system for distributing many goods. Capitalism also can and has coexisted with “unfree” enterprises. In August, 1971, President Nixon took away the freedom of capitalist enterprises to set prices or wages. Capitalism elsewhere has often continued despite markets and enterprise freedoms being variously abrogated or suppressed for differing lengths of time.

Whatever distinguishes capitalism from such other systems as slavery and feudalism, markets and free enterprises are not it. Nor will competition or the extent of government intervention serve to differentiate capitalism from other systems. The competition among capitalist enterprises had its parallels in competitions among slave plantations, feudal manors, feudal guild workers and so on. Competition varies in its forms and intensities among capitalist enterprises depending on the context and conditions of each industry across time and space. The same is true for competition among noncapitalist enterprises.

HOW AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM ORGANIZES THE PRODUCTION, APPROPRIATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF ITS SURPLUS NEATLY AND CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATES CAPITALISM FROM OTHER SYSTEMS.

Finally, government intervention into an otherwise “private” sector of the economy has also been a variable feature of all economic systems. In some slave systems, slaves were chiefly privately owned, while in others, states owned and worked many slaves. In Europe, the absolute monarchies toward the end of feudalism were states owning huge numbers of subordinated serfs alongside the privately run feudal manors of such kings’ subjects. Shifting constellations of private versus state production units characterize noncapitalist as well as capitalist systems.

So then how should we define capitalism to differentiate it from alternative economic systems such as slavery, feudalism and a post-capitalist socialism? The answer is “in terms of the organization of the surplus.” How an economic system organizes the production, appropriation and distribution of its surplus neatly and clearly differentiates capitalism from other systems.

In slavery, one group of persons, the slaves that are others’ property, performs the basic productive labor. Slaves use their brains and muscles to transform objects in nature into what masters desire. Masters immediately appropriate their slaves’ total output, but they usually return a portion of that output for the slaves’ consumption. The excess of the slaves’ total output over what they get to consume (plus what replaces inputs used up in production) is the surplus. The masters take that surplus and generally distribute it to others in society (e.g., police and army, church, etc.) who provide the conditions (security, belief systems, etc.) needed for this slave organization of the surplus to persist through time.

Feudalism displays a different organization of the surplus. Serfs are not property as slaves are; lords do not immediately and totally appropriate what serfs produce. Instead, serfs and lords enter into personal relationships entailing mutual obligations (in European feudalism: fealty, vassalage, etc.). In medieval Europe, lords assigned land parcels to serfs, whose labor there yielded outputs. Feudal obligations typically included either 1) serfs’ laboring parts of each week on their assigned plots and keeping the proceeds and laboring other parts of the week on the lord’s retained land, with the lord keeping the product of that labor (“corvée”); or 2) the serf delivering to the lord as “rent” a portion of the product (or its monetary equivalent) from the land assigned to and worked by the serf. Corvée and rent were forms of Europe’s feudal surplus.

MARX USED THE WORD “EXPLOITATION” TO FOCUS ANALYTICAL ATTENTION ON WHAT CAPITALISM SHARED WITH FEUDALISM AND SLAVERY, SOMETHING THAT CAPITALIST REVOLUTIONS AGAINST SLAVERY AND FEUDALISM NEVER OVERCAME.

Capitalism’s organization of the surplus differs from both slavery’s and feudalism’s. The surplus producers in capitalism are neither property (slavery), nor bound by personal relationships (feudal mutual obligations). Instead, the producers in capitalism enter “voluntarily” into contracts with the possessors of material means of production (land and capital). The contracts, usually in money terms, specify 1) how much will be paid by the possessors to buy/employ the producer’s labor power, and 2) the conditions of the producers’ actual labor processes. The contract’s goal is for the producers’ labor to add more value during production than the value paid to the producer. That excess of value added by worker over value paid to worker is the capitalist form of the surplus, or surplus value.

While the capitalist, feudal and slave organizations of the surplus differ as described above, they also share one crucial feature. In each system, the individuals who produce surpluses are not identical to the individuals who appropriate and then distribute those surpluses. Each system shares a basic alienation – of producers from their products – located at the core of production. That alienation provokes parallel class struggles: slaves versus masters, serfs versus lords, and workers versus capitalists. Marx used the word “exploitation” to focus analytical attention on what capitalism shared with feudalism and slavery, something that capitalist revolutions against slavery and feudalism never overcame.

The concept of exploitation serves also to differentiate socialism clearly from capitalism, feudalism and slavery. In a socialism defined in terms of surplus organization, the producers and the appropriators/distributors of the surplus are identical; they are the same people. In such socialist enterprises, the workers collectively appropriate and distribute the surplus they produce. They perform functions parallel to those of boards of directors in capitalist corporations. Such “workers’ self-directed enterprises” (WSDEs) are unlike slave, feudal and/or capitalist enterprises. WSDEs represent the end of exploitation.

Significant conclusions follow. Soviet socialism from 1917 to 1989 did displace private in favor of social ownership of means of production and markets in favor of central planning. It did not displace the capitalist organization of the surplus in favor of WSDEs; surplus producers and appropriators in state enterprises were not made identical.

Workers produced and others – the USSR’s Council of Ministers and their appointed state officials – appropriated and distributed surpluses generated in state industrial enterprises and on state farms. The Soviet definition of socialism did not focus on the organization of the surplus. Most socialists over the last century, pro- and anti-Soviet alike, used the same definition. In the 19th century, Marx and Engels saw the seizure of state power as a means to transition from capitalism to socialism. In the 20th century, state ownership of the means of production and state central planning became the definition of socialism itself: the end, not just the means. That problematic definition of capitalism and its difference from socialism remains prevalent to this day.

The 20th century’s major experiments to establish socialism would have ended differently had organizers defined capitalism and socialism differently. Their policies might then have replaced not only private with social property and markets with central planning, but also exploitative with nonexploitative organizations of the surplus. As ground-level organizations, WSDEs might have secured a democratic accountability of socialist governments and thereby the survival and development of socialist economies.

The surplus-focused definitions of capitalism and socialism are available to social movements today as they engage and contest economic systems. Or those movements can stay enmeshed in old, endlessly recycled debates between more (Keynesian and welfare statist) versus less (neoliberal) government intervention in capitalist economies. Will the movements keep limiting their goals to expanded government regulation of, and intervention in, economic systems where capitalist organizations of the surplus continue to prevail?

Or will social movements – increasingly facing a hostile global capitalism – seek alliances with advocates of system change via establishing enterprise democracy through WSDEs? Such political questions become urgent as more people than ever question capitalist globalization and capitalism generally.

Cooperatives of all kinds, including worker cooperatives, have a long complex history. In many parts of the world today, they have carved out an acceptable – on condition of remaining a relatively small – place in otherwise capitalist economies. They rarely confront capitalism as an alternative economic system, likely fearing capitalism’s probable reaction.

Confrontation – putting WSDEs forward as a systemic alternative to capitalism – could take may forms. For example, labor unions could add the establishment of worker coops to their strategies vis-à-vis capital. When employers demand concessions by threatening to close enterprises, move them abroad, etc., unions could refuse and proceed instead to establish workers coops if and when the employers actually abandon enterprises. To take another example, localities could campaign for use of eminent domain to address both unemployment and poverty by organizing and supporting worker coops. The successful Mondragon Cooperative Corporation was born in a poor and unemployment-ravaged part of 1950s Spain. High school, college and university curricula could include both abstract discussions on how the US might do better than capitalism and practical courses for establishing worker coops.

Most important would be if progressive political forces saw gains from allying with, helping to build, and undertaking mass political and ideological support for worker coops. The latter could then provide a crucial communication bridge between the left and the daily struggles of workers in their enterprises, both those still capitalist and those that are WSDEs or becoming so. Workers already in WSDEs and those working for transition to WSDEs could also provide economic and political supports to left political initiatives and campaigns. In return, the left could mobilize for legal and other changes to provide worker coops with the needed legislative framework, capital and markets. Mass political campaigns eventually secured the Small Business Administration for small businesses and various levels of political supports for minority and women-owned businesses. WSDEs could benefit from parallel administrations assisting them.

Eventually, when WSDEs had become widespread enough and an allied left had grown enough, they jointly could offer the American people a real choice never before available. They might choose an economy based on capitalist, top-down hierarchical enterprise organization or one based on WSDEs, or some mixture of both. If fair and open, I have little doubt where that vote would point.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30678-critics-of-capitalism-must-include-its-definition
 
208  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who wants to start an anarchist micronation? on: August 05, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Citizenship in the sovereign State of ________ (hereafter referred to as the State)
Hell to the no. Individual sovereignty and the non-aggression principle are all I need for a decent world, thank you very much.
209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 05, 2015, 02:17:55 PM
The problem is that technology so heavily favors offensive potential over defensive. Nation-states prioritize offensive tech for reasons that should be obvious to any student of history. Gun control wouldn't be such a huge problem if we all had personal force-fields and/or tissue-regenerating nanobots in our bloodstream.

This is why Hawking and others theorize that few, if any, civilizations survive the transition from type I to type II. If/when a civilization's weapons tech approaches type II destructive potential before that civ's social evolution reaches type II creative potential, it's game over for that planet.

This is the reason I believe we must rid ourselves of the nation state ASAP.
210  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: August 05, 2015, 01:37:26 PM
Getting slutty on the first date can lead to marriage?  You don't say?  As if one would have thought it was impossible.  That analysis says [nothing]
I know a number of liberal feminists who wouldn't dream of having sex on the first date (or even the second or third) because of the message it would send.
As though sex somehow devalues you as a person. It taints the entirety of the date that came before. It makes a long-term relationship impossible. It's the puritanical false notion that lust can never become love.

So how does all of this really work?

In order to map out the location of sexual desire and love, researchers reviewed 20 studies that used fMRI technology. First, they looked at the regions of the brain that lit up when sparked by love. They then compared the findings of all the papers to see what regions were activated when someone felt aroused or amorous.  

What they discovered was a bit surprising -- love and sexual desire both activate the striatum, showing a continuum from sexual desire to love. Each feeling impacts a different area of the striatum.

"Sexual desire activates the ventral striatum, the brain’s reward system. When someone enjoys a great dessert or an orgasm, it’s the ventral striatum that flickers with life. Love sparks activity in the dorsal striatum, which is associated with drug addiction.

“You don’t make a connection that love is a drug; it acts just like drug addiction," says Pfaus. "Anyone who has had someone break up with them feels like a drug addict in withdrawal. You end up getting cravings.”

But it doesn't stop there. The researchers also saw an overlap between sexual desire and love in the insula. The brain's insular cortex (or insula) and the striatum play a role in both sexual desire and love. The insula is nestled deep within the cerebral cortex and influences emotions.
While the striatum resides in the forebrain and receives messages from the cortex. “[The insula] translates emotional feelings into meaning,” explains Pfaus. “You take the internal state and give it external meaning.”

The areas of overlap indicate that sexual desire transitions into love in many cases, and the feelings aren’t separate.

“Even love at first sight, can it happen? Of course it can happen," says Pfaus.

And when it does happen, do you want to play Scrabble with each other? No, when it happens, all you want to do is fuck. 


Study here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22353205

INTRODUCTION: One of the most difficult dilemmas in relationship science and couple therapy concerns the interaction between sexual desire and love. As two mental states of intense longing for union with others, sexual desire and love are, in fact, often difficult to disentangle from one another.

AIM: The present review aims to help understand the differences and similarities between these two mental states using a comprehensive statistical meta-analyses of all functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) studies on sexual desire and love.

METHODS: Systematic retrospective review of pertinent neuroimaging literature.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Review of published literature on fMRI studies illustrating brain regions associated with love and sexual desire to date.

RESULTS: Sexual desire and love not only show differences but also recruit a striking common set of brain areas that mediate somatosensory integration, reward expectation, and social cognition. More precisely, a significant posterior-to-anterior insular pattern appears to track sexual desire and love progressively.

CONCLUSIONS: This specific pattern of activation suggests that love builds upon a neural circuit for emotions and pleasure, adding regions associated with reward expectancy, habit formation, and feature detection. In particular, the shared activation within the insula, with a posterior-to-anterior pattern, from desire to love, suggests that love grows out of and is a more abstract representation of the pleasant sensorimotor experiences that characterize desire. From these results, one may consider desire and love on a spectrum that evolves from integrative representations of affective visceral sensations to an ultimate representation of feelings incorporating mechanisms of reward expectancy and habit learning.
211  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Man stabs people at gay pride march in Jerusalem for second time on: August 05, 2015, 01:18:00 PM
This has gotten off-topic, @Holliday if you want to continue the conversation about capitalism's concealed violence, PM me.
212  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Man stabs people at gay pride march in Jerusalem for second time on: August 04, 2015, 06:09:45 PM
What you've described here is most certainly not capitalism (which I've been trying to explain to you for a long time now). It looks like corporatism (fascism) to me.
Apparently I need to make explicit the distinction between actually-existing capitalism, which you feel the need to call "corporatism", and the utopian fantasy capitalism which exists only in your imagination.

213  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: August 04, 2015, 02:48:01 PM
Modern western culture seems entirely obsessed with sex, which makes it hard to save yourself for marriage.
Have some science: http://jezebel.com/5923855/turns-out-getting-slutty-on-the-first-date-can-lead-to-marriage






This theist ( http://thomrainer.com/2014/04/sex-millennials-church-five-implications ) sums up the situation nicely

Quote from: ThomRainer
Most Millennials, including Christian Millennials, see nothing wrong with unmarried persons living together. Many of them will come to our churches and be surprised to hear their behavior is sinful. How churches handle this reality will determine the success of efforts to reach the generation.

While the trend toward approval of homosexual marriage is growing in society at large, the positive view is pervasive among Millennials. Churches that choose to ignore this issue have little hope of impacting culture positively.

Millennials will exit quickly from churches whose members are shrill and unloving toward those with non-biblical views on sexuality. Unfortunately, many Millennials stereotype all Bible-believing churches as filled with members who carry Westboro-like placards that scream “God hates fags.” While this is not the case in most churches, there are still some Christians who do a good job of reinforcing that stereotype.

Ironically, Millennials will not stick with churches that have no convictions.  Liberal churches with compromising views on biblical sexuality will not attract and retain Millennials. Though Millennials are indeed increasingly liberal in their views and actions on sexuality, they view churches as places that should be convictional and even counter-cultural.

The greater opportunity lies with those churches that are able to speak truth in love, and to demonstrate that love. The preceding sentence sounds a bit cliché, but it is increasingly a reality. Many of our church members are very uncomfortable engaging, for example, a homosexual in a way that demonstrates the love of Christ. But that is the world and the culture where our churches and Christians reside. We can choose to either engage or withdraw.

There are nearly 79 million Millennials. Most of them are not Christians. Indeed, we estimate in our research that only about 15 percent of those in this generation are believers in Christ. So that means that this generation is a mission field of over 67 million men and women who do not know Christ.

We can bemoan the state of culture. We can withdraw from culture. Or we can choose to love these sinners as Christ loved us sinners.
emphasis mine
214  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Man stabs people at gay pride march in Jerusalem for second time on: August 04, 2015, 01:57:56 PM
The simple fact that you own products mean people were exploited for you to have them.
You're right, I should stop eating and drinking water so I can be totally certain I'm not indirectly exploiting anyone.  Roll Eyes
You're a real class act, using my personal disclosure as an avenue for an ad hominem attack.

Quote from: Beliathon
Although I directly exploit no one as I have no employees, I'm well-aware of the indirect exploitation happening constantly on my (and your) behalf.
Part 1 - Conversations with Great Minds - Dr. Richard Wolff - America's taboo subject

Part 2 - Alternatives to Capitalism

Move to a truly socialist nation like Venezuela where people clearly aren't exploited.
This is you. I'm not going anywhere pal. But capitalism is going to Asia and leaving our sorry american asses behind to rot. I'm sure you'll feel differently about it eventually, as our cities continue tearing themselves apart in poverty and renewed racial tension.
215  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Uproar as India 'bans' porn sites on: August 04, 2015, 12:54:51 PM
Well what can we expect from a pro[extremist] hindu government.
Resignation from management of any and all public affairs. Soon.
216  Other / Politics & Society / Uproar as India 'bans' porn sites on: August 03, 2015, 11:17:09 PM


A notice saying “this site has been blocked as per the instructions of competent authority” surprised many Indians as they failed to access pornographic sites on their servers today. The error is being viewed as the possible imposition of a ban by the Indian government. According to a report in Hindustan Times, porn sites were not available on most of the internet service providers (ISPs) including Vodafone, MTNL, ACT, Hathway and BSNL since Saturday night.

Tons of research has been done on this. Quoting few of them here. Findings of Goldstein and Kant, 1973 found that among US prisoners, rapists were more likely than non-rapists, to have been punished for looking at pornography while a youngster. These two also found that strict, religious upbringing to be highly correlated with sexual offences.

A 1984 Canadian study by McKay & Dolff for the Department of Justice of Canada reported, “There is no systematic evidence that suggests that increases in specific forms of deviant behaviour, reflected in crime tend statistics, eg. rape, are causally related to pornography.” Diamond and Uchiyama, 1999, studied the situation in Japan – as explicit materials were readily available, the incidence of rape had dramatically decreased over the past few decades.

Studies from Croatia by Landripet, Stulhofer & Diamond done in 2006 and of US and China done by Diamond also showed significant decreases in rape as pornography became increasingly available.

It's the same thing that's wrong with the puritan mindset. When you raise someone to treat natural human urges as perversion they think about those things as immoral. Then they can end up with a mixed up morality where sexuality is in the same place in their mind as rape and other actually immoral things.

When you do this you risk creating a mindset where good makes you feel repressed and evil is a reluctant indulgence. The more you repress something, the more extreme it will be when you let those urges out. That's why a little porn can be a good release.

Reported Rapes
Based on United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data from 2012: 24,923 reported rapes in India, or 4.26 reported rapes for every 1,00,000 women
This places India at 85 out of 121 countries.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/930919/indians-shocked-as-porn-sites-become-inaccessible/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdoeoU48DIg

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/comment-article-rape-rhetoric-and-reality/article6705077.ece

http://world.time.com/2013/11/08/why-rape-seems-worse-in-india-than-everywhere-else-but-actually-isnt/
217  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Man stabs people at gay pride march in Jerusalem for second time on: August 03, 2015, 08:43:37 PM
You got a case of cognitive dissonance.
Wrong, I was raised Christian. Resolving one's own cognitive dissonance is how one goes from being a theist to an atheist. In essence this is the first trick every former-theist learns.

If someone breaks into your home (aggression) and is in the process of raping your wife (aggression), the only reasonable response is to extinguish the threat (self-defense).
"Extinguish the threat" sounds a lot like a sociopath's euphemism for murder. I sure hope I'm wrong, but here you have revealed the waiting violence all capitalists hide in their hearts. So two wrongs make a right?

or is such a pacifist that he is unwilling to use the tools (including violence as a last resort) necessary to protect himself and others.
On the contrary my friend. I loathe violence but I wouldn't hesitate to use it to protect myself or my loved ones. But when the revolution comes I'll do everything in my power to prevent the senseless massacre of the elite capitalists I hate so much.
218  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Man stabs people at gay pride march in Jerusalem for second time on: August 03, 2015, 03:00:48 PM
You're still causing harm to the body.
Again, there is no "the body", there is only self. This is vital to understanding the reality of self without superstition - without soul.  

It only makes sense to refer to oneself as "the body" if you're a head in a jar looking across the room at your headless body.

You are fetishizing life and demonizing death, this is an immature perspective. Life and death are yin and yang.

219  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: August 03, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
Remember, there is the soul as well. And God directs all things
We both believe wild and amazing things, BADecker. The difference is, I demand evidence for each and every wild thing I believe, and you don't. It's a matter of intellectual integrity in which I find you lacking.



Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
220  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Man stabs people at gay pride march in Jerusalem for second time on: August 03, 2015, 02:05:19 PM
To kill oneself you need to do something detrimental, which is harmful to the body, damaging to the body.

For your example of using pills to sleep forever, use Violence defintion number 2: a detrimental treatment.
The mind/body separation is a false dichotomy. I am my body. You are your body.

If one's life has consisted of more suffering than pleasure, suicide is NOT detrimental to oneself, but a mercy.

Death is also a mercy when you're absolutely certain your future will consist of more suffering than pleasure, as was the case with Aaron Swartz, the brilliant young computer scientist who hung himself to avoid decades in federal prison. See my signature for links.

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