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Price drop then would not be necessarily just from the Gox or ones that bought in Gox cheap selling... Other people will follow selling... actually it's happening right now... 8.87 price decrease in one day... that's not Gox price on coinmarketcap.com
Sorry, but you haven't given any valid mechanism that's going to equalise the market on gox and the external markets without gox reinstatating their withdrawals or otherwise regaining the public confidence. Gox has dropped much further than the other markets over the same day, so your final observation doesn't support your point at all. Well, please read what I wrote again. Gox and external price should find equilibrium somehow with a positive or negative offset after gox enabling withdrawals. Much or less that's what I said. A good news is a good news for all but the existing trend will be reversed. After the good news gox will increase and the other markets will just decrease. Then it's all about what's unknown in the story and the look to the general reception of bitcoin will determine the market price at gox and elsewhere. Why does Gox allowing withdrawals create a massive price drop on the external exchanges? If anything I would expect them to trade up on such an event, not down, but in any case the vast majority of the equalising price changes would take place on Gox, not on the external exchange. Because most of the international customers who bought cheap at gox will try to sell high on other exchanges. Price difference is big enough to cover the costs/risks of arbitrage. |
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Price drop then would not be necessarily just from the Gox or ones that bought in Gox cheap selling... Other people will follow selling... actually it's happening right now... 8.87 price decrease in one day... that's not Gox price on coinmarketcap.com
Sorry, but you haven't given any valid mechanism that's going to equalise the market on gox and the external markets without gox reinstatating their withdrawals or otherwise regaining the public confidence. Gox has dropped much further than the other markets over the same day, so your final observation doesn't support your point at all. Well, please read what I wrote again. Gox and external price should find equilibrium somehow with a positive or negative offset after gox enabling withdrawals. Much or less that's what I said. A good news is a good news for all but the existing trend will be reversed. After the good news gox will increase and the other markets will just decrease. Then it's all about what's unknown in the story and the look to the general reception of bitcoin will determine the market price at gox and elsewhere. |
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All this is conspiracy though and yes we are certain about the mtgox's fall.
why would they do this, if not for a theft? they are making bank. Sorry, I'm not not that fluent in English. Could not grasp what you say exactly. If not for a theft, possibilities are : 1. They are doing the golden shot. Dump all for good where they can securely get the fiat money. Not much probable... 2. They have the knowledge of very good news that could relieve bitcoin from this mess and drive really high. So they deliberately make it crumble before it. Not much probable... 3. Incompetence, bad direction. Most possibly Again I'm talking about possibilities here. These are not even my actual estimations. Maybe it's actually theft, maybe they are just incompetent. But that doesn't necessarily rule out the other possibilities given we don't know if there is a theft and the relative amount to market at gox if there is. Real suspicious thing is how slow gox reacting to events. They have somewhat good news yet it takes them just 1 whole week to deliver which took other exchanges just mere days: that is enabling withdrawals. They could just work this issue out behind the scenes and while working for the fix manually check suspicious withdrawals. |
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- Flow of cheap btc starts to decrease the btc value of external market... Through arbitrage prices in Mtgox increases and settles above Mtgox's average cost of btc buy. (Caveat : Mtgox should not / cannot make customers withdraw more than 250 BTC)
- Prices find equilibrium and Mtgox purchase BTC in the external market for average $400 each... 750 BTC that is ...Deposits this back to itself...
Gox don't have an unlimited supply of actual BTC. No way they can "sell" enough elsewhere to equalise the markets without the public perception of Gox's liquidity changing. How do you differentiate between regular guy and mtgox in the external market? The actual market doesn't exactly know **who** sells **where** at **what** price. Even if you know the answer of "who" as mtgox, the others doesn't seem obvious. I don't, that isn't what I'm saying. Gox can obviously directly manipulate their own market if they want to, but for them to bring down the price on another market to $400 (for a non-insignificant amount of time) they would have to sell more coin than they actually have ... i.e. they can't. Price drop then would not be necessarily just from the Gox or ones that bought in Gox cheap selling... Other people will follow selling... actually it's happening right now... 8.87 price decrease in one day... that's not Gox price on coinmarketcap.com |
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- Flow of cheap btc starts to decrease the btc value of external market... Through arbitrage prices in Mtgox increases and settles above Mtgox's average cost of btc buy. (Caveat : Mtgox should not / cannot make customers withdraw more than 250 BTC)
- Prices find equilibrium and Mtgox purchase BTC in the external market for average $400 each... 750 BTC that is ...Deposits this back to itself...
Gox don't have an unlimited supply of actual BTC. No way they can "sell" enough elsewhere to equalise the markets without the public perception of Gox's liquidity changing. How do you differentiate between regular guy and mtgox in the external market? The actual market doesn't exactly know **who** sells **where** at **what** price. Even if you know the answer of "who" as mtgox, the others doesn't seem obvious. - Through market manipulation with press releases & exchanges & closing withdraws say Mtgox acquires 500 BTC with average cost of $250 each.
unless the order book is completely fake, (we know its not, because we see our orders in the book), then why would rational traders sell 500 BTCs all the way down to $250? - Mtgox sells these cheap BTC's in the external market for $600 each. Totalling $300000.
so MtGox is already short customer BTC, and is actively stealing more customer BTC, transferring it to [bitstamp], and selling it? thus generating more fiat? their issue is lack of BTCs not lack of fiat. If its all a complete fraud then price analysis is useless. I believe MtGox is honest but incompetent. If what your saying is true, then everyone should be buying goxBTC, there should be no reason for a $350 discount to Bitstamp. At the end of the day, the only market based explanation for the discount, is that customer BTC were stolen, and there is not enough BTCs to cover customer BTC deposits. if MtGox is actively buying up goxBTC, and goxBTC is not real BTC, then they are in effect using their fiat to compensate their customers at .50 BTC for each BTC, which is exactly what would happen to all BTC deposits in an event of court ordered liquidation and insolvency. i think we can all agree that this does not end well for MtGox. Read it up, in my scenario they end up going up in BTC and equalise in Fiat. This is all conspiracy yet it shows the statement in OP may not always be the case. Mtgox didn't spell the word theft yet so it's not the obvious Market based explanation of the discount. Closing of withdrawals and the FUD around it and/or market manipulation is responsible for the price drop. It's essentially a closed market now at mtgox. In my aforementioned scenario caveat is mtgox had the chance to take the btc deposits outside. customers? no for the past week. This way, they are not compensating actually, customer who bought at $1000 now sells at $250 because of FUD. The only way they can compensate is to actually keep selling the extra btc they get cheaper at mtgox after FUD starts to disappear. That's if any ripped off customer actually buys it at that price. All this is conspiracy though and yes we are certain about the mtgox's fall. |
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Shortage of BTC may not affect Mtgox if current low prices are directly manipulated by Mtgox itself... which may seem to be the case now.
- Say half of the btc deposited to Mtgox is actually stolen. Assuming 1000 BTC deposit before theft.
- After the theft only 750 BTC is left.
- Through market manipulation with press releases & exchanges & closing withdraws say Mtgox acquires 500 BTC with average cost of $250 each.
- Mtgox sells these cheap BTC's in the external market for $600 each. Totalling $300000.
- Flow of cheap btc starts to decrease the btc value of external market... Through arbitrage prices in Mtgox increases and settles above Mtgox's average cost of btc buy. (Caveat : Mtgox should not / cannot make customers withdraw more than 250 BTC)
- Prices find equilibrium and Mtgox purchase BTC in the external market for average $400 each... 750 BTC that is ...Deposits this back to itself...
Now, mtgox initially paid $125000 for 500 BTC. After all it got 250 + 750 BTC. Mtgox leaves 750 BTC as customer's funds. Sell remaining BTC with the increased prices. Say $500 each. That is $125000 which initially mtgox paid in fiat.
No losses in fiat... Prices at mtgox decrease again with the sale of extra BTC that Mtgox got...
And then say the thinking of a theft is just a bullshit of our conspiring minds then the thief is Mtgox itself if it's indeed manipulating the market.
Let's see how it rolls out in the coming days... And hope it's just the incompetent devs of Mtgox...
ps: Prices and other figures are just coarse estimations or say examples, relative differences / ratios should be taken into account.
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btcturk basit bir gerçekleşen emirler listesini ne zaman göstermeye başlayacak acaba merak ediyorum.
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pool'da sıkıntı var gibi. pool'u değiştir.
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to the owner of nyanmine pool!
how do we unlock our account?
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Oops, sorry I haven't noticed support page... copy pasted there what I wrote here.
Problem fixed, thanks for the prompt support! |
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Serious problems here...
Account shows 62'882... TOPs deposited but it's not reflected to the balance... Also canceled sell order of 2500 NYAN and they are not returned to my NYAN balance...
If it's a bug... here is how you reproduce it...
- Balance is 5000 NYAN
- I gave sell order for 2500 NYAN for LTC yesterday
- I sold 2500 NYAN for BTC today
- I canceled previous sell order
- Balance shows 0 NYAN
It seems you are the first one having this issue. Kindly contact our support and we will investigate into this right away. https://www.swisscex.com/supportOops, sorry I haven't noticed support page... copy pasted there what I wrote here. |
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Serious problems here...
Account shows 62'882... TOPs deposited but it's not reflected to the balance... Also canceled sell order of 2500 NYAN and they are not returned to my NYAN balance...
If it's a bug... here is how you reproduce it...
- Balance is 5000 NYAN
- I gave sell order for 2500 NYAN for LTC yesterday
- I sold 2500 NYAN for BTC today
- I canceled previous sell order
- Balance shows 0 NYAN
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Şanslısınız... cgminer'ın maxcoin için keccak versiyonu çıkmamışken cudaMiner'ı elemanlar ayarlamışlar... kazıyolar şu an... millet uyanmadan nvidia kartınızla kazmaya başlayın... ben yarım saat kadar cpu ile kazdım 2 orphan block'tan başka bi cacık bulamadım... burdan yeni versiyonu indirebilirsin : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167229.0Nvidiaları küçümsedik şimdiye kadar... Maxcoin'de patlattılar bombayı 2. coinye vakası olmabilir onuda bu kadar büyütmüşlerdi gözünde insanlar Onu bilemem ama bu doğrudan max keiser'ın bilgisi ve ilgilisi dahilinde yaratılan bir coin. Aynı muameleyi görmeyecektir. En boktan açılışların bile yeterli miktarda kazan olduktan sonra fair diye nitelendiğini gördüğümüz için ve nvidia sahipleri tertemiz şu an kazabildiği için muhtemelen yine bir yerlere gelecektir. Ancak... benim şahsen işim olmaz, 10 misli de olsa değeri ne kazarım, ne de alır satarım bu saatten sonra... milletle dalga geçer gibi açılış oldu... seed node'ları çalışmaz, adam akıllı bi wallet çıkaramazlar... miner desen gpu miner nvidia için yazılmış cgminer yok.. neymiş keccak implementasyonları farklıymış... tamamen scam... |
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All joking aside, I'm pretty disappointed. Had such high hopes for this. Been a long time viewer of Keiser Report and thought Max would have his shit together. Max didn't make this coin. It was the two developers he had on the show the other day. They probably used his name knowing they would get some free advertising, and hoping people would assume it would be a good coin since his name was attached So you say, Here are some tweets from Max Keiser... dated Feb. 5 If you can't mine @maxcoinproject be one of the first 10,000 to pre-register on @StartJOIN and I will try to get you some free coins.
I'm working on deal with @netagio and @GoldMoneyNews to add #Maxcoin to their new BTC storage and trading service @maxcoinproject
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Şanslısınız... cgminer'ın maxcoin için keccak versiyonu çıkmamışken cudaMiner'ı elemanlar ayarlamışlar... kazıyolar şu an... millet uyanmadan nvidia kartınızla kazmaya başlayın... ben yarım saat kadar cpu ile kazdım 2 orphan block'tan başka bi cacık bulamadım... burdan yeni versiyonu indirebilirsin : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167229.0Nvidiaları küçümsedik şimdiye kadar... Maxcoin'de patlattılar bombayı |
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3. I can't trace what's going on..
- Launch task manager, if you see maxcoind at high cpu rates then you are mining... then go to your wallet/blockchain directory and open debug.log... you'll see the progress there...
Launch a new command window, same as you did for geting maxcoind to run. So now you have 2 open command windows, 1 with maxcoind blinking seeminly doing nothing other will be to navigate trough wallet My case C://users/myusername/downloads /maxcoind <insertcommand here> example : maxcoind getbalance
maxcoind listtransactions
maxcoind getmininginfo
maxcoind setgenerate
maxcoind etc etc
[/quote] Yes that's better... given I was not able to issue listtransactions on the rpc client I posted... now I see 2 of the blocks I mined just got orphaned... And that's the end for me mining this shitcoin... back to decent coins like ultracoin which came with it's own cgminer... |
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what is the rpcport? you do need it if you are trying to run multiple machines localy Just specify one yourself in the maxcoin.conf file.. it doesn't really matter which number you use... |
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