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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Would "Government Coins" Be Different From The Financial System Today? on: December 30, 2013, 08:44:51 PM
Dream big. First, assume that crypto isn't suppressed by force - monopoly of force is broken, at least temporarily. Then what happens if crypto wins? Fiat starts failing, but then...

...people will still demand "centralized government services" of some sort. How do you account for those?

Solution A: Private markets entirely trading in decentralized crypto.
Solution B: Government operates in crypto balances.

Sol. A eventually resembles Sol. B when a single party gets big enough. Either way, once you have a big actor, the incentive to take control of currency again rises anew - write out debt, impose market controls, etc. Thus we get a govcoin as Solution C: Centralized, uses strong identity, cuts the majority of today's bureaucracy. It can be 99%+ digital with paper as an "emergencies only" backup. This means...

...the economy can be tuned in ways unavailable to both fiat and decentralized systems. "Money supply" is a crude tool for managing transaction flow - it's abolished in favor of a pastiche of sinks, generators, taxations, records, rules and rewards as seen in online digital games. It can play sort of like capitalism, but with increasingly little drudgery exposed to humans, and made more efficient and motivating besides. I would note that there are already exchanges between game assets and crypto - the games are good enough to make people sit there clicking for hours, they need only be repurposed and scaled up to animate the larger economy. The only limit to their specific design is your imagination.

But how do people end up preferring the new govcoin over crypto if they start in crypto? Through the same mechanisms as the "free" model of today's popular online services. The coin and the associated rights and services are issued to you in exchange for your identity. Proven, well-understood marketing mechanism; may be done without your consent, via the existing institutions that track you. And as long as the government works for you, you play within its rules, no matter how arbitrary. When it starts failing, you go back to crypto, just like how older economies cycled between gold and fiat.

Recall that we are assuming monopoly on force is broken. But force is likely to be increasingly accessible to individuals in the future; if they don't already have a weapon, they will have tools that can make one. So the monopoly that will matter is monopoly of information - finding out who is dangerous. Governments will assume the worst of someone who isn't within their systems and subject to monitoring, so they will, sooner or later, start pressuring people to enroll. This doesn't, however, stop people from being a non-participant in the economic game the government is providing. The old tensions will continue to exist, but the mechanism to signal loss of faith will be through speculation on crypto assets. Governments will start moving at the speed of technology, because they will have to - if they want to be competitive.

So as I see it, govcoin is in all facets anticipated by existing systems and technologies; crypto is the mechanism that motivates its reification as a concept worthy of discussion. The two are already in competition with each other, but crypto is surging ahead right now, as we still discuss both in the dying language of industrial capitalism.
2  Economy / Economics / Re: Inflation and Deflation of Price and Money Supply on: December 12, 2013, 07:39:02 AM
In a cryptocurrency, we can potentially design methods of money movement and rebalancing of value that are neither "inflation" nor "deflation."

A currency sketch that I've been working on - but have put aside partially finished for the moment - involves using the history of each coin to enforce a restriction on who can have it next. The underlying goal is for the entire money supply to eventually visit all or nearly all (a high ratio, over 50%) the accounts before it can start revisiting previous accounts. I am pleased with the concept because it presents the idea of money velocity and its incentives in a specific, targeted way that makes money "homing" or "heat-seeking" - serendipitously, you can expect money to come to you somehow as the other options for it close off. This money also presents the basic rationales for economic activity that are in capitalism - spend within your means, provide goods and services, invest in real assets, etc. - the key difference being that it naturally leaks out of capital pools and into the hands of the masses.

In the full writing, I also discuss some attacks and ways to stop them, and incentives for speculators to enter such a currency. It does not attempt to solve environmental sustainability, governance, or other issues, just the idea of "income equality."
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WOW] 10000 DOGE COIN give away, much 100x100 doge's to give + luck on: December 10, 2013, 07:51:02 AM
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4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] Dogeaway, such generous, much reward so wow on: December 10, 2013, 05:18:43 AM
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5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] Dogeaway, such generous, much reward so wow on: December 09, 2013, 04:20:02 AM
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6  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FREE BITCOIN Sites *and* Free Newbie Lotto on: December 08, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
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7  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Legitimacy in the finance world on: December 08, 2013, 08:58:46 AM
Considering the Bank of America report I would expect that there are some big names taking on holdings, they just haven't announced it yet. If they go public about a new asset class too soon, they miss opportunities to accumulate for themselves.
8  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Coins of the second generation on: December 08, 2013, 04:43:55 AM
I'm looking forward to the second generation, in fact I've registered here because I'm mostly interested in these new coins, although I'm finding that the straightforward means of investment in them is to get some BTC first.

Bitcoin and derivatives are basically similar to asset-backed currency(gold, etc.) with the big innovation being that it's both computerized and decentralized; this is a pretty good starting point, but it means bitcoin will only be "as good as" gold, not better. At the core what I think really matters in any future crypto is whether it is producing fair and sustainable economic outcomes for its users. To make changes in that, you have to reevaluate how wealth redistributes over time within a currency, which in turn means that the philosophies behind cryptocurrency will start changing to encompass a much broader range of economic thought than the extant anarcho-capitalist/goldbug types.

And the 2G coins are taking little steps away from the Bitcoin model; Mastercoin is all about derivatives trading, eMunie automatically manages a target inflation rate, and Nxt has no mining. The additional features baked on top of them sweeten the deal. There are reasons to believe that all of these different approaches could have success, and I plan to back up my statement with some speculative investment among them. Personally I see there being a reason to have different currencies for different purposes, rather than "one to rule them all."
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