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1841  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Heavy transaction fee for old account: solution of deflationary spiral on: June 20, 2011, 06:10:55 PM
I can't start 'my own' currency, perhaps with a critical mass of people who think this is a better system that would be viable.  

And as for Gessell, you are now claiming that he was not a 'real economist'.    This is utterly untrue, he was an influence, among others on John Maynard Keynes.  This idea has merit and again you cannot present any argument against it.  'It would become worthless' Why?  There would still be 21 million coins, this system only increases the velocity of that money and discourages hoarding.  The value of the coin remains the same. The idea that hoarding is a good thing, that is the really crackpot thing I heard people claiming on here.

Being an influence of Keynes is nothing to be proud of, on the contrary. They would be worthless because there would be no demand for them, regardless of their number. But please, prove me wrong. Start your own currency. You can and its very easy. Attracting people will take time as it did with Bitcoin. But its doable. Do it and prove me wrong. Start your own currency.
1842  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be on the Peter Schiff Show 2011-06-20 at 10AM EDT on: June 20, 2011, 05:47:49 PM
Here we go, Peter is saying that bitcoin doesn't have any intrinsic value.. this is the point where this Norman guy needs to hit a home run and sounds like he's striking out =(

And Peter Schiff calls himself an austrian? Intrinsic value Peter? Really?
1843  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Heavy transaction fee for old account: solution of deflationary spiral on: June 20, 2011, 05:34:03 PM
Exactly. Not to mention that basically bitcoins would be worthless and would disappear since nobody would want to hold them. Why hold bitcons when they devalue in time, when you can hold gold or silver. Its fucking retarded.

I hope this guy starts this new currency so he realizes for himself what happens.

It is not retarded! People would be have more incentive to spend bitcoins instead of holding them. 

Also they wouldn't 'devalue', in fact they would appreciate in value just the same, as more people started using them, but they would be more useful as transactional tokens rather than a store of wealth.

I don't yet see any convincing arguments against this idea.  I wonder if what you're really saying is "get yer filthy 'ands off me stack o coins"

Aral with all my heart I implore you to leave Gessell aside and study real economics.

With your system bitcoins would become worthless and nobody would use them. They would not circulate because nobody would accept them. But you odnt have to believe me. Go and start your own currency. Its a small change in the code, its very easy. Go and do it.
1844  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: How many cores on a CPU is ideal for GPU mining? on: June 20, 2011, 05:22:44 PM
I have 4 GPUs and Sempron 140 is enough. 2 cores I think.

I have 3 GPU's (and one more pending to add) with a Sempron 140 locked to one core and its running fine and dandy.
1845  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: automatic fanspeed depending on gpu temperature (linux) on: June 20, 2011, 05:19:33 PM
Thats okay, if you use an OS with a GUI. Some people, including me, are using headless systems for bitcoin-mining or dont want to use other tools than aticonfig.

You can use AMDOverdriveCtrl headless. Basically you create on your own or use the GUI to create a config file, edit the config file how you like it and then:

Code:
AMDOverdriveCtrl -i 0 -b device0.ovdr

The device with id 0 gets configured with the parameters in the file device0.ovdr, including the fan temperature to fan speed curves.
1846  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTC Guild - 0% Fees, Long polling, SSL, JSON API, and more [~2200 gH/sec] on: June 20, 2011, 04:47:48 PM
Getting connection problems with uswest server... Anybody else?

My 3 miners are pointing there and working fine.
1847  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Heavy transaction fee for old account: solution of deflationary spiral on: June 20, 2011, 04:40:26 PM

OK, so I'll generate a new receiving address every day. You don't know the age of my wallet, all you can know is the age of the receiving addresses. You don't even have any idea what receiving addresses belong to my wallet. And even if you did know the age of my wallet and all of the receiving addresses inside of it, I can always just generate a brand new wallet whenever I wanted.

doesnt matter. when transaction fee is a steady function of time transferring your coins to a new address every day will cost you as much or more than just keeping it where it is.

OK, I understand where this is going now.

But.

That doesn't fix anything. If it is a directly proportional function, then there isn't really enough incentive for spending now vs later. Because it is directly proportional, all that it does is change the prices that people are willing to accept on both sides of the table. It would cause some problems early on, but eventually, the market would stabilize and you'd have to find some other way of upsetting it again.

Exactly. Not to mention that basically bitcoins would be worthless and would disappear since nobody would want to hold them. Why hold bitcons when they devalue in time, when you can hold gold or silver. Its fucking retarded.

I hope this guy starts this new currency so he realizes for himself what happens.
1848  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Connecting a few dots on: June 20, 2011, 04:35:55 PM
I fail to see how a hacker with access to the DB could have created the price bubble.

You and everybody else. The state of the forum is sad, but I think this thread is a new low.
1849  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Heavy transaction fee for old account: solution of deflationary spiral on: June 20, 2011, 04:34:41 PM
Great idea. Go make your own block chain now.

+1 Please go and start your currency.
1850  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: New Difficulty Calculation on: June 20, 2011, 03:07:48 PM
AngelusWebDesign calm down for god sake.

These type of events have happened in the stock market and in other dollar denominated platform and the answer has always been to undo them. It was not a client doing them, which would have been fine, but some hacker. This has happened in other markets and it was not such a big deal. Calm down.
1851  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTC Guild - 0% Fees, Long polling, SSL, JSON API, and more [~2200 gH/sec] on: June 20, 2011, 01:50:21 PM
Nl1 (nl.btcguild.com) is not working propperly. It leaves the miners idle most of the time.
1852  Economy / Economics / Re: The general flaw of fiat money and how its associated with Bitcoins on: June 20, 2011, 01:48:28 PM
politicians and bankers removed gold as backing for paper money and created so the fiat money. Gold wasnt a currency at that point anymore.

Are you trolling me? You first said that politicians and bankers did not removed gold as money and now you say the did.

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Yes kings devulated the purity in coins to make own profit but it turned out that it was very healthy for the economy since there wasnt enough pure gold coins in circulation to keep the market running.

This does not make sense from an economic point of view. The nominal value of money is arbitrary.
1853  Economy / Economics / Re: The general flaw of fiat money and how its associated with Bitcoins on: June 20, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
Gold has failed as a currency, it wasnt removed by politicians and bankers.

Oh come on. You are now pissing on us.

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The Kings in in medieval times already started to reduce the Gold % of a coin since Gold was way to rare to satisfy the market with enough pure gold coins. Many wars in in medieval times started for the reason of acquiring more Gold for the Market.

Yes, the kings tried and sometimes got away with devaluating the purity of the coins. So what?
1854  Economy / Economics / Re: The general flaw of fiat money and how its associated with Bitcoins on: June 20, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
The Blacksmith doesnt starve to death since he only holds 10 BTC of his 100 BTC total capital. Also you need to consider that the other participants dont know that the Blacksmith will hold back 10 BTC this week so they spend all their coins as normal.

This is false. The Balcksmiths started loaning the money in fractional reserve system with the knowledge of their clients. Previous to fractional reserve the blacksmith were not paying interest buy charging a fee. Suddenly the blacksmith starts paying interest instead of paying a fee, and people dont even question why he is paying interest now and where does he get the money? It makes no sense.

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Gold has failed as currency. (AS CURRENCY! I DONT SAY THAT GOLD FAILED IN GENERAL!)

Gold has not failed as a currency. Gold was removed slowly from the monetary field by politicians and bankers because it didnt allow them to inflate the currency as they wanted. But gold as currency has not failed.
1855  Economy / Economics / Re: The general flaw of fiat money and how its associated with Bitcoins on: June 20, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
I dont say that the more money circulates the richer is everybody. I say that if money is backed up in value by goods and implanted in the money circulation that everybody gets poorer when people hold back money because this will destroy income.
Understand the difference between "holding back" and "printing new" money.

Define people hold back money.

What people usually mean by this is that people dont spend and consume. But when people saves, they send the money to the bank, that loan it out through fractional reserve banking, thus promoting investment and (usually) creating growth. So by not consuming and saving more growth is created.

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This thesis is proven by several economic professors.

This does not say much about the theory.
1856  Economy / Economics / Re: The general flaw of fiat money and how its associated with Bitcoins on: June 20, 2011, 11:38:04 AM
Please dont reply if you dont read the entire post and dont get the point.

I have read the same point several times.

You are basically saying that the more the money circulates the more rich everybody is, which is obviously false. Its a common falacy. I dont want to come as aggressive, sorry if you got that impression, its just that one gets tired of hearing the same failed theories again and again.
1857  Economy / Economics / Re: The general flaw of fiat money and how its associated with Bitcoins on: June 20, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
The general problem of Fiat Money that causes most the economic problems is the hoarding of money.

Fail.

Stopped reading here.

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This would force people to spend their BTC and handling them like a currency and not like an investment.

This would force people out of BTC since nobody would trust it.
1858  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: New Difficulty Calculation on: June 20, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
what? no, this sounds wrong. of course it's going to increase (although i think the rate at which it increases will get lower, as it already has), but there's not gonna be a big crash in mining, i think. it's going to slowly reach the point at which it is no longer profitable for the casual miner (1-3 rigs at home, 15c/kwh etc), but this would not cause a crash (your statement sounds as if the difficulty would adjust dramatically at one point in time).

By a crash I mean that a lot of people are going to realize that their investment in computer hardware has not been profitable and that hey are never going to recover the money they invested in it.
1859  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is now at the level of the dollar on: June 20, 2011, 09:07:07 AM
Plus its good that mtgox got hacked early on. 60k users is alot but just imagine if we are at the point where it was at 6 million users+? Now everyone is on high alter in terms of internet security which the way it should have been from the beginning but over time people get comfortable and let their guard down.

Also true.

But I really think people dont realize what Bitcoin and this community has achieved. Think about it: Bitcoin is the first alternative currency that some hackers deem valuable enough to try to hack it and even create a virus for it. No other currency had been able to compete with the dollar and "achieve" this. Stop a second and think about it. Its amazing what we have acomplished. There is still a lot to do in front of us, specially creating business in the Bitcoin economy, but if you stop for a moment t think about it its actually unveliable. I would have never imagine that Bitcoin would be where it is now a year ago.
1860  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: New Difficulty Calculation on: June 20, 2011, 08:39:05 AM
generally speaking the idea of making money running a free program on a computer is a pretty sexy concept compared to a hard to understand and very illiquid cryptocurrency.

Capacity is going to increase no matter what anyone says or does on this forum because there's always some new person who can click install on guiminer and run it for free in a computer lab somewhere

Agreed. People is going to keep adding capacity until there is a big crash in mining.

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I wonder what % of people here have ever even used a bitcoin to transact anything.... I tried and it results in arguments over what a bitcoin is worth, referring to rapidly fluctuating prices on illiquid scammy markets, and basically end up asking for cash instead.

I have. Never have been scammed in bitcoins. I have been scammed in pounds and in euros.

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What shop operating at 10-20% typical retail margins is going to spend all day constantly updating/checking bitcoin prices when selling an item they just bought from a distributor at a hard fixed cost?

This is not an issue. The websites actualize prices automatically. Its really only a couple of lines of php.
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