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501  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 24, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
An obscure although relevant question.. how many people in this forum listen to heavy metal of various denominations?
502  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 24, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
Brilliant Jacqul.  I'm on it.   Fucking brilliant.   As pissed off I am at the creative cryptos relying on a market cap based on money... This one would be based on creativity.  At the comm level.  And would give developers a sniffing list on projects they might want to take on...

  I think you just gave silk something very good here...

  Good work friend.  I'm on it.

 Silk Contracts anyone? .. Cool

  
503  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 22, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
504  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 21, 2014, 02:59:20 PM
This is the tightest group in crypto, and we all seem to be in it for the right reasons

Penguins are always cool, so don't mess with them


LOL i don't mess with Penguins... I'm Canadian.  Them things are violent mutherfockers.. you ever seen a penguin rob a gas station?? Well I have..
505  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 21, 2014, 01:42:44 AM
So anyways.. Haven't been contacted on silk chat about this..

  Long and short of it is..

  When everyone starts a new wallet. It actually creates 100 addresses but uses one by default.

   The txs you are seeing are staking txs (in out) and the address you see is also yours.  Again if you'd like to chat further join on silk chat   we can transfer files and pics easily.. and I can type easily.. currently driving so but is quite difficult.

  Lol there's nothing fraudulent..  you guys are just learning how to use a wallet lol

Hi Arteleis
I was looking for you on the hipchat but you were gone
Sorry my hours are as weird as cryptocurrency
Thanks for enlighten me up on this matter, actually all of us
Yes we are learning, well at least I hope I do
So the reward is yours I guess but the real gain is ours


 All good.. I'm learning too.  (-; that's the beautiful thing about crypto - always things to learn.

  I was just lolling about penguins comment regarding fraudulent activity. Haha

  Ain't no fraudsters here, just an evolution of technology and community.   

  Always say what you mean and mean what ya say.  This the best way.

  No comments or questions unwelcome ever. Any truth harsh or pleasing is essential for advancement.
 
   We gonna keep advancing with loose tongues.  (-;
506  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 20, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
Still haven't had wifi Grrr. .  So bishop threw on dropbox for time being.   There's md5s for those that prefer safety.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lpgt2ui9ly2m36d/AAA-XnrONCt2ZXICIR-sv6tOa?dl=0

Hoping the next shifty little town has wifi else I'll be staying in a large city in the next 2 days to do a proper release to Silk temple. 

Can check the md5s here.

http://onlinemd5.com
507  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 20, 2014, 09:28:48 PM
So anyways.. Haven't been contacted on silk chat about this..

  Long and short of it is..

  When everyone starts a new wallet. It actually creates 100 addresses but uses one by default.

   The txs you are seeing are staking txs (in out) and the address you see is also yours.  Again if you'd like to chat further join on silk chat   we can transfer files and pics easily.. and I can type easily.. currently driving so but is quite difficult.

  Lol there's nothing fraudulent..  you guys are just learning how to use a wallet lol
508  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 19, 2014, 03:36:09 PM
Ttoroie - please join the silk chat and I can walk you through the issues.
https://silkcoin.hipchat.com/home

 
509  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 19, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
Hey guys no wifi in this little shit town I'm staying in for the second night in a row... Will make sure to drive out of my way to get a motel room with wifi tonite! Release is done... just have to upload to the temple.  (-;
510  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
Guys
Is there any way to delete an address from the wallet, cause I couldn't find it
I've few of them from the mining era (POW) from sites that don't exist anymore, and few test ones, that just clutter my wallet
and want to clear them
Let me know please

PS if there isn't any way, is that possible to implement it on the new wallet, I'd give 1000 SILK for that

Hey, heading out on mobile.

https://www.hipchat.com/invite/168485/cfd0e56c0e7ca55a03fd3ab2d872467c

Sign up here and we can chat.



And strangely enough... all my comments seemed well recieved. 

 It seems the spirit of CryptoRevolution is alive.  Good work everyone. (-:



511  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 11:11:27 AM
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112256/advertise-for-bitcoin#altcoins


God damn it....

okay... now i'm going to start my own

good fucking money.. scamming folks that already got scammed.. what are you guys lawyers?


your charging 15 bitcoins a month???

for 'best' services? 



here we go... voting system in... arteleis fired..

sorry maybe i misread something here..

just seems for that price I could get vice to write for us...

I dunno.. break my arms if you will..

512  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 11:03:44 AM
Hi there, It's CoinTelegraph.
I'd like to inform you that not so long ago we launched a new section of our site - Coin Catalog. There any altcoin's dev team has its own page, where we can provide any info you want about your coin with further updates by request.

The price for this page is 2,5 BTC. For that price, you will be listed in the catalog indefinitely, which is beneficial because we grow fast. Interesting news from those pages is furthermore guaranteed to be covered by us in full reviews and articles.

By the way we offer a free placement in our catalog. All you need is to send us 100-words press release about your coin and a well quolity logo or any image you'd like to use to introduse your currency
to sales@cointelegraph.com

For more info please feel free to check out our proposal here: http://cointelegraph.com/news/112256/advertise-for-bitcoin#altcoins or contact us via sales@cointelegraph.com

Levi Meyers
Cointelegraph



k.. so for around 1200 dollars youll list us?

where do I send the btc?

sounds amazing.

You can be sure that we provide high quality service: our journalists, illustrators and experts will be involved in this project. we'll produce for you a unique CT-styled image, high-quality infographics interview with your dev team and expert commentary. Also we can include additional services.

Please provide me your email  so our journalists could contact with silkcoin dev team.


This is CoinTelegraph official sales wallet: 17wcojTr3z4W7cubMZENbGhoTtQTnFZowD


ARTELEIS SAYS:
SILKCOIN WILL SEND YOU 2.5 BTC IMMEDIATELY!!!

http://cointelegraph.com/

So in asking 2.5 btc from the silkcoin community that has built this coin from destruction of raping developers... in all our free time and donation..

please provide examples of

"unique CT-styled image, high-quality infographics interview with your dev team and expert commentary. Also we can include additional services."

hanzlambrecht@gmail.com

also provide your readership/base

- all websites/blogs/rss feeds

particular writers - link to all their writings..



as well.. in relative contrast to my sarcastic response...

provide me with something to write about..
 
if your writers are better then me.

then i may purchase your services.

Else it seems you take me as a fool.
  How much you spend on fiverr.. for all your b&w drawings....  looks like at least 35 or 40 bux...

But perhaps you have not sold yourself thoroughly enough... and maybe i can help you with your exceptionally poor introduction.

for 1200 dollars or so would we be listed in this list of shitcoins?

http://cointelegraph.com/category/altcoin_catalog

or... am I missing something...

Your website is fine.. and dandy... but looks like a highschool version of creativity...

Have you all recieved college degrees?  I hope you didnt pay for them.


I do appreciate your blatant and honest reviews of coins...

i hope you do the same for us.


For the record.  Im a demon.  Please fuck me. 

Perhaps if you have true wit, intelligence and writing skills you can commend me to pay your ridiculous fee..

Silkcoin dont suck cock for Btc.

If this impresses you.  Please write about us.  FOR FREE. or... would 1200 bux be better.. sorry 1250?  im not certain of btc price.. only Silk..

Thanksa.

Ill make sure to post everywhere I can you offered your shit services for 2.5 btc. 
Im sure most coins that are dying will pay you.

  Im sorry if you have no other livelihood.  and more sorry if you become as influential as the shit marketcap you've now become involved in.. 
  
  HEY!  Learn crypto bitches.  and stop trying to fuck camels in their asses..  btc38 charges half as much as you do... and they trade coins fer fucks sakes.  take your suit off and realize where the fuck you are.

     'all words written in love from bitchy ass camels used to getting fucked over by greedy pricks, please excuse this message if your organization does not fit in this category'  (yes i can indent.. you?)
513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 09:52:10 AM

well that's good news. More the merrier, although I prefer bittrex.

Yeah, thats good news, i prefer bittrex too, but its good to see us on so many exchanges, not that im a big fan of mintpal.

yehhh. mintpal 2 has so far - shoved their warty dick in like 50 cryptos faces and called them scams and worthless.. promised more coins entry into their shitty exchange.. and now reverted.. realizing perhaps that those 'shitty' 'scam' coins actually pay the bills.. and have a good group of comms and devs behind all of them...  wOOPS!

 moolah is fiat whores trying to gain entry into cryptos.. all beware... Id like to pull Silk from Moolah Mintpal... but yah know... they haven't responded or posted on of my several messages or responses...  so even saying hello will be tough..
  
  In cryptos.... this is a sure sign of scammers..  - in whore exchanges... well I dunno.. Is this different?

 Sorry to all the cryptos that they shit on their heads... so far doesn't look good for mintpal..

  Im happy the devs of mintpal scammed moolah in the sale... hope they got a good scam value.. and i hope they drop silk before I tell them to fuck themseleves.. course they'll probably never listen.. cuz they censor every public comment.

   and YES this is self- moderated.. but I still haven't deleted any comments.  any trolls I just eat them.  I love eating trolls.  and haven't seen them in quite some time.  Interested in seeing some that have an iq higher then dogs..  at least that would give a sporting chance.

  WHY THERE NO MORE TROLLS TO EAT

  (yellforgeorge and jacqul - dudes you aint included in this category - ya both been inspiration - and your words aint trolling - scroll back and see how i eat trolls)

HUNGRY GIVE ME TROLL FACE TO EAT

 MMMM TROLLLLS
514  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
oh.. and price of silk up to 400 satoshis.. seems like a sell wall has been placed to block upward movement... also noticed rockefellers dick in obamas ass.. and in that.. i could predict camels on the moon... if the satoshi biticense comes in to effect and silkcoin sucks newyorks cock and hands over all their SIN numbers to the fbi... and of course home addresses and wives and childrens names..

 We'll surely see a 50-60% gain!  then i can buy a big screen tv from leons on the do not pay for 10 years... and my visa can take the hit.. while i suck the dick of the boss I hate..

 God i hope silk goes to 800 Satoshis! then I can have like 2 more bitcoins at least and then maybe I can start 5 shitcoins... for sure cuz  i know some devs...  lol I love cryptos.. its so much fun... I want to maybe get into investing in the new york stock exchange! just like that movie with leonardo...


  HEY CRYPTOS!!! GET YOUR FUCKING HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND WAKE UP AND REMEMBER WHY WE ALL STARTED THIS!!


  Peace love and computer grease.  
   Im not angry.  

   Im real.


 
515  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 09:10:41 AM
Just a note.. on the one comment..


Council.. Will always.  Fuckin always.. Take titties.. Very seriously.
516  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 09:09:11 AM
Thanks ttoroie.
My signature comes from the XXIV Canto of Dante's Inferno (Divina Commedia). That's my leading principle in life.

Anyway...

About the vote system: the platform is great but the voting system based on money capacity is idiotic from my point of view.
This means rich people wins. It's like recreating lobbies.
For me it doesn't work.
I would say one vote per address but then we have the same problem since one can create infinite addresses.

That's the main problem of the poll so far. Does this make sense?


I think this has been discussed previously but maybe it would be good to clarify where the proceeds of the voting "fee" goes. I.E for this vote currently happening do the proceeds of the vote go into a bigger pool to pay development bounties? Who controls the fund? does it just go straight to developers?


acquafredda there really is no way to control voting so the silk community would have to decide which is the best way to go.

1 vote per address (but you can create infinite addresses)
pay per vote (could be a means to raise funds for further development but means that the silk rich list gets what they want) need to decide how funds are used.
1 vote per address weighted by funds with some minimum age (prevents infinite addresses from voting, encourages some staking, somewhat limits influence from rich list, doesn't fund anything)

may be other options but these are really the only options i see.



And sorry missed this reply.

  The idea is and is currently.. that the fees for voting go into a community escrow.. The council will vote on payments to devs (which only maybe 20% are coders) or to other means of developement including marketing, research, papers, etc etc - and each department of council will have specific escrows for that particular type of development.  For instance. Marketing poll  - Market titties, whitepaper, or drugs - everyone votes the direction.. but the silk fees for voting still go into the marketing escrow.  Ideally this would be a multisig account to give responsibility of payment.. and as every payment to any devs or crypto contractors happen,  will be listed on a public google sheet.. so that the entire world can see where all the community silk goes.

 If there is a disagreement.. say someone notices.. hey! fuck ! someone spent way too much money on titties.. then the system would need to be built to raise a proposal, or just have trusted associates/council members to take the public outcry seriously... Which anyone that has been involved in the new Silk knows is completely valid.  
  When the first voting system was being built we had a login system.. and tiered membership the same as bct.. so the more you vote.. the more you contribute the higher ranking you had..
  But unfortunately.. the only way to do this is by tracking ips, 2fa,. etc etc that is against crypto philosophy..
  
  Jacquls Idea.  Completes the system and fixes this issue. Again.  If someone know how to build.  I will pay handsomely in silk.

  I would prefer.. That anyone interested runs for council.  And we have a less then democratic vote.. lol based on silk contributions. aka lobbying aka democracy
  (and for all those idealists and anarchists... democracy never existed..  and does not today..  study the global banking systems.. the money lenders.. the great red dragon perhaps - idealism is pretty - realism is real)

  But as I mentioned.  I doubt that people ACTUALLY want responsiblity.  Most just whine on forums.  In some cases they give incredible ideas. As we see in the majority of the Silk forum. But to dedicate the consistent time and skill.  Many Well wishers.. many secret idea men.  Many creative geniuses.. But ya know... in this Game. The Coders are the Rockstars.. the Gods..  I aint a fuckin coder... but working on basic c++ and python.. I can now write a program to say when my digital turkey is done... lol
  
  Remember.. Every single one of you has contributed to the success of this coin that had its head cut off by greedy fucks.  Step up.  And join the council. The best bet we can have for this system.. that Teddy built.. nearly dying in the process.. in his spare time.. paid reasonably shitty...  is to use it..

  I know most investors and speculators dont understand what it means when it says.. 3467 ommisions - 1256 additions, and then lists 15 different things that most people cant understand... but understand that the devs working on this project - On SILK - have spend every waking moment - on top of full time jobs - on top of girlfriends and wives upset - sacrificing time with their family for 711 wages... to build this - because we all believe in it..
 
  Look in the tool bag.. See what is there..
  
  And we'll start fucking using those tools.

  Over and Out Friends and CountryMen
517  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 08:40:47 AM
https://www.hipchat.com/invite/168485/cfd0e56c0e7ca55a03fd3ab2d872467c

welcome everyone.. pussies put some pants on - come build with us
518  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 08:24:54 AM
oh yah.. official release of new client.  should be tomorrow.

anyone in the comm already has it.  or at least the beta.

couple lil adjustments then we'll release..  woooooo

and the work continues.

Fuckin God Damn fiat corporate whores. 

Everyone wake up and smell the Crypto.  Please?

(in no relation to posts in this forum - just general anger for the direction cryptos have been taking - too many beautiful coders getting their pants ripped off and raped)
519  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 08:21:50 AM
And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

I understand you but basically we're just recreating what we see not to work in the real world. By giving vote per silkcoin capacity we're giving the minority the right to lead the vote.

I don't know. I think this is a really important point. Maybe I'm too idealistic because I believe in the disruptive power of BTC and cryptocurrencies.
We have something valuable in our hand and continuing the old order will not help us in my opinion.

I repeat that's really hard to find a suitable and innovative solution given these conditions.

Example:
One's an anarchyst: there will be election. He has choices (X party, B party, F party and so on) but he doesn't feel represented because he believes in anarchy. What is he going to do? He will not vote beacuse he sees that no matter of his choice he's gonna lose anyway.

Silkcoin related example:
Please don't misunderstand me, now we're voting on a website name. But one day we might vote for something more relevant. And yes of course now we're testing the platform.
If we take the previous example I made and I know that there's a quite long rich list I might not going to vote since my voting "power" is so little compared to that minority.

Then it seems to me we're gonna have an aristocracy here. Which can be fine since I could trust the devs supposedly they have the biggest bags. But of that I can't be certain, we might have everything or everyone behind these addresses.

I don't know if you can see what I mean but, for the last time, recreating a lobbying system in here is not gonna work.

I do believe that cryptocurrency must evolve in a complete different way from things like banking system, democracy and so forth.

But, maybe, as I said I'm really too idealistic.

My 2 silk
Smiley


The way I have always hoped that voting would work is where the process of voting actually raises the funds for the development that is being voted on and people invested in the idea get to pick which one gets funded in the end. The reason for voting in this ecosystem is to direct development. The funds raised goes towards the winning idea. The people who are most invested gets to make the decision about which one wins.
We have to build this ecosystem in a way that it builds and protects itself.

Here is one explanation of the idea:

Say I have 10 000 SC.
Now I can choose to set a goal.
For the example, my set goal is "Reward developer to create an alternative wallet interface that has a pink background."
I choose how much I want to invest in the goal.
I decide it is important to me to have a pink background so I pick 100%.
You decide a timeframe, in this case I expect the development will take 6 months so that is what I choose.
Now I have a "staking goal". In essence the idea itself is staking.

The goal now appears in a different "goal" tab similar to NxtAE.
For the next 6 months all the SC I earn from staking(100%) goes into an account linked to this goal.
Other people look at the "goal" I posted and some think that it is a great idea.
Bob for example wants to support it and get a vote on the result and who gets to program it, but he is also interested in other things so he just sets his participation at 50%, now 50% of all SC he earns from staking for the next 6 months goes to this "goal" account.  

In the mean time 3 developers see that people are invested in this and quite a few SC is rolling in.
All SC raised is coming from staking, but if quite a few people do this, it can accumulate quite quickly.
In the mean time a developer/coder looks at this idea and thinks "Hell this will be simple to do." The developer starts coding and sends 1 SC to the account and logs as a potential winner of the project.
Now in the tab you can see:
1. the goal description
2. how many people have invested and how much %
3. how much SC is invested and how much is projected to accumulate at 6m
4. which devs have signed up to try reach this goal

At the end of the 6 months there might be 1000 SC in the account.
About 20 of those SC is interest that I diverted from my staking (100%).
Now close to the end of the period I look at the products developed by the different devs.
I like option A by Dev named pinkismyfavorite, the most and vote for her.
Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start.


The aim is to create a feedback system that will direct the energies of developers and stimulate continuous growth. Anyone can volunteer an idea. Anyone can code a solution and the ecosystem keeps growing in the direction decided by the community.

Open source, community directed, decentralized development.
The cream rises to the top.


I agree, I don't like the idea of lobbies and "silk council" leaders. Let the system grow and govern itself. Jacqul has a grand idea. We should take time to think about how to implement something like this. A council maybe needed to make decisions in the interim, but "open source, community directed, decentralized development" should be the goal.

Jacqul, can you list the steps of your proposed process? We need a flow chart! haha

I've interpreted it as follows:
1) Bob has an idea to better the community/ecosystem
2) Bob lists his idea and donates money to make it happen
3) Other people see his idea and like it so they donate some money
4) All of these donations are staking in a wallet
5) Someone completes the requested task
6) The person or group of people that deliver the best product wins the bounty

This is kind of like the system that exists. Silkcoin has over 100K silk offered in bounties but not even half of it has been claimed. Will a system like the one you propose get people more involved? I hope so. Maybe it will bring everything to life. People could see the votes/donations/silk coming in. They could see new ideas rise to the top, develop, and pay out. That's what people move to. The money.

Can you clarify this, "Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start."










One other thing to clarify... while other coins are taking it in the ass from trolls.. going WHEN HOW WHATS goin ON??  We've been posting pictures of tits and ass and camels... and producing the same things everyone wants and begs for...
  In case no one has noticed.. we are flying reasonably under the radar on purpose..
   We do not bow down to timelines... We do not bow down to financial whores who just want to pump and dump and break.  We produce.  And will continue to produce.

 I would like to apologize to the pump groups that destroy coins.. we're building something of intrinsic value instead. - And well.. if someone decided to pump Silk.. um well the fuckin comm is bagholding most of it.. so it takes what 1 btc to double price? and 1 again?  I perhaps will have to delete this comment so that massive pump groups dont rape this coin again... lol or let them pump..  I'm not selling.  Only paying for devs.

  Jacqul means.  That in the wallet.  You would decide.  Okay. I'm going to provide x% of my staking weight for 6 months. I want it to produce.  "Shiny flowers in all corners of the client" - these suggestions and stake %s would be visible to others in their clients.  Who can add their own staking weight to support the idea, or say fuck 'shiny flowers' and say im providing y% of my staking weight - to have death heads in all corners.  Other users can review.  And decide if they wish to add their stake.

   It is an absolutely brilliant idea.  and believe me we've tried to figure it out.. in the midst of the hundreds of updates, code fixes, feature additions, conversations, arguments, and the rest...
   
  I would be more then happy to hear from another dev that believes he can make this possible with the current codebase. Because it would be amazing.  And I will pay gratuitously in Silk.
 
  I know people have a bad taste for foundations... and groups.. and cocksucking scoundrels that put on the face of innocence while lying and counting their hawaii vacation tickets... I will not succumb. And will personally ensure that other members of the council will not succumb to greed and lies and dishonor. We all will. 
 
  For every motherfucker that thinks he can dump his coins and make a shitload of money by pumping and whoring our camels and make fools of our comm.. they got another thing coming..

  But this does not mean.. the comm will not benefit.. and will not make money... lol  Im sorry Faith.  Is such a bullshit thing... But so real....

  Keep bumping the thread.  More arguments the better.  More discussions the better.  Quit tiptoeing around and say what yall mean.  Cuz we gonna use it in the voting addition to the client.

  Devs that understand what ive wrote.. or have the skills to help.  Send a note.  I got bags o silk a waiting.

  Yes I swear.  But I fucking swear in love.  Love yall.

 Keep blasting out the most intelligent forum in the entire industry.  Camels are fuckin smart.

   

 
 
520  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SILKCOIN][FULLPOS][GLOBALDEVELOPMENT][NEWCLIENT] on: September 18, 2014, 07:59:10 AM
And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

I understand you but basically we're just recreating what we see not to work in the real world. By giving vote per silkcoin capacity we're giving the minority the right to lead the vote.

I don't know. I think this is a really important point. Maybe I'm too idealistic because I believe in the disruptive power of BTC and cryptocurrencies.
We have something valuable in our hand and continuing the old order will not help us in my opinion.

I repeat that's really hard to find a suitable and innovative solution given these conditions.

Example:
One's an anarchyst: there will be election. He has choices (X party, B party, F party and so on) but he doesn't feel represented because he believes in anarchy. What is he going to do? He will not vote beacuse he sees that no matter of his choice he's gonna lose anyway.

Silkcoin related example:
Please don't misunderstand me, now we're voting on a website name. But one day we might vote for something more relevant. And yes of course now we're testing the platform.
If we take the previous example I made and I know that there's a quite long rich list I might not going to vote since my voting "power" is so little compared to that minority.

Then it seems to me we're gonna have an aristocracy here. Which can be fine since I could trust the devs supposedly they have the biggest bags. But of that I can't be certain, we might have everything or everyone behind these addresses.

I don't know if you can see what I mean but, for the last time, recreating a lobbying system in here is not gonna work.

I do believe that cryptocurrency must evolve in a complete different way from things like banking system, democracy and so forth.

But, maybe, as I said I'm really too idealistic.

My 2 silk
Smiley


The way I have always hoped that voting would work is where the process of voting actually raises the funds for the development that is being voted on and people invested in the idea get to pick which one gets funded in the end. The reason for voting in this ecosystem is to direct development. The funds raised goes towards the winning idea. The people who are most invested gets to make the decision about which one wins.
We have to build this ecosystem in a way that it builds and protects itself.

Here is one explanation of the idea:

Say I have 10 000 SC.
Now I can choose to set a goal.
For the example, my set goal is "Reward developer to create an alternative wallet interface that has a pink background."
I choose how much I want to invest in the goal.
I decide it is important to me to have a pink background so I pick 100%.
You decide a timeframe, in this case I expect the development will take 6 months so that is what I choose.
Now I have a "staking goal". In essence the idea itself is staking.

The goal now appears in a different "goal" tab similar to NxtAE.
For the next 6 months all the SC I earn from staking(100%) goes into an account linked to this goal.
Other people look at the "goal" I posted and some think that it is a great idea.
Bob for example wants to support it and get a vote on the result and who gets to program it, but he is also interested in other things so he just sets his participation at 50%, now 50% of all SC he earns from staking for the next 6 months goes to this "goal" account.  

In the mean time 3 developers see that people are invested in this and quite a few SC is rolling in.
All SC raised is coming from staking, but if quite a few people do this, it can accumulate quite quickly.
In the mean time a developer/coder looks at this idea and thinks "Hell this will be simple to do." The developer starts coding and sends 1 SC to the account and logs as a potential winner of the project.
Now in the tab you can see:
1. the goal description
2. how many people have invested and how much %
3. how much SC is invested and how much is projected to accumulate at 6m
4. which devs have signed up to try reach this goal

At the end of the 6 months there might be 1000 SC in the account.
About 20 of those SC is interest that I diverted from my staking (100%).
Now close to the end of the period I look at the products developed by the different devs.
I like option A by Dev named pinkismyfavorite, the most and vote for her.
Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start.


The aim is to create a feedback system that will direct the energies of developers and stimulate continuous growth. Anyone can volunteer an idea. Anyone can code a solution and the ecosystem keeps growing in the direction decided by the community.

Open source, community directed, decentralized development.
The cream rises to the top.


I agree, I don't like the idea of lobbies and "silk council" leaders. Let the system grow and govern itself. Jacqul has a grand idea. We should take time to think about how to implement something like this. A council maybe needed to make decisions in the interim, but "open source, community directed, decentralized development" should be the goal.

Jacqul, can you list the steps of your proposed process? We need a flow chart! haha

I've interpreted it as follows:
1) Bob has an idea to better the community/ecosystem
2) Bob lists his idea and donates money to make it happen
3) Other people see his idea and like it so they donate some money
4) All of these donations are staking in a wallet
5) Someone completes the requested task
6) The person or group of people that deliver the best product wins the bounty

This is kind of like the system that exists. Silkcoin has over 100K silk offered in bounties but not even half of it has been claimed. Will a system like the one you propose get people more involved? I hope so. Maybe it will bring everything to life. People could see the votes/donations/silk coming in. They could see new ideas rise to the top, develop, and pay out. That's what people move to. The money.

Can you clarify this, "Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start."










Yes Jacqul this is also part of the plan as you've discussed before.  It is perhaps the most ideal.
   But at this point is beyond the availability of coding in the qt and codebase.  We would likely have to move beyond the qt platform and blackcoin codebase and develop from the nxt platform to make this achievable.

  If anyone knows some incredible java developers I would be interested to hear from them.

 Btw.  Council will be self-nomination to start, and will be happy to hear anyone's nomination and place them in the according seat to their expertise.

  This of course can be voted on if there is more then one person per seat that would like to take charge.

  To clarify these are not leadership positions. - they are positions that would be dualed and have been outlined in the roadmap you've seen on trello.  There is no supreme leader.. or aristocrat who waves the bloodied wand..
  There would be those who function and provide information to the public.. all information.. in a system that may define the system of transparency of alts.

  But is a mere outline.  - I don't want anyone to think this is a heirarchy, it is a proposed establishment to fill the void of an automatic system that cannot be built on the current codebase.. to my knowledge.  There will no be leaders or bosses.. there will be duty and public responsibility.
 
  I could believe that there will not be enough self-nominees or nominees to fill all the chairs that are necessary. 

  Let me get this correct for everyone.  I DO want the code to run everything autonomously.  But at this point.  It is not achievable.  We have no funds other then what we are all holding.. We have very good devs.. but not enough.. We need to raise Silk in order to continue. 

 The idea is absolutely fantastic to have everyone provide a portion of their stake and contribute to the autonomous machine that would provide ultimate freedom of creation by the user... it is possible.. but we are months away from perhaps developing our own codebase.. or following in another codebase.. to provide the platform to achieve the dreams, that YES I agree with Jacqul.  I want This system to live on forever.  TO have no leader that can take it the ground..
 
  So in the meantime.. Before someone decides to handover a minimum of  100-150 grand for the most pro dev in the world's years work and masterpiece.. we are functioning on a hybrid donation system.  Which gives all silk investors the opportunity to become involved.  And even run for council if they feel their skills could help.  And be voted in.. if there is more then one person to vote for.


   You've assumed we have the leaders... and we are all rubbing are grubby hands together... we are leaderless.. we are all equal... this proposed system is meant to be nothing to change that.. in anyway.  It is a system to begin to build.  As if Jacqul's idea is the pyramid.. We are the egyptians hauling the stones and building the wagons.  We are the camels pulling the wagons... cuz we aint just whipped slaves..

 We are Silkcoin and We are Family.  We all know it.

 Please step up and take your position.  Join the hangouts.  Find the side chats.. Build.  Build.  We are all already.  The more the merrier.  This is not a closed organization in anyway.. If we are to build and code the machine that takes humanity to the next level of ultimate creativity and freedom.. More minds are needed not just to speculate.  But to become involved and build.

  Build Build Build. 

  And one day. Our work will live on forever.  As consciousness always does outlast the flesh. The code will too.  We are only so many.  We can be ALL.

 We will keep working.  Financially One cannot do all himself.  And volunteered efforts can only be extended so far.  So we have built this system. To help further.

 Please contribute.

 Stand back and watch.  Bicker. Argue.  And Vote.  Paid with Silk.  Until the time Silk becomes autonomous.  And it Will. 
   
   I promise you.

  "I" am not building this council.  We are.  So step up.  Post your names.  We've started a trello with approx 12 names... half way there on self nominations only.

  This world aint seen fuckin nothing yet outta Silkcoin.  We aint even got the Silkweaver running yet.... Wink

 

 
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