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Well ya know, give the users the option to decide that themselves IMO.
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While i understand ignoring mt gox for "withdrawals blocked" - it doesn't change that trades are occurring. Kind of need the data still. Thanks
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http://bitcoincharts.com/news/btc-e EUR and RUR restored. USD pending Dec. 26, 2013, 2:25 a.m. btceEUR/RUR has been restored. USD is still pending and should follow within the next days. Okay it's been a few days.. Hoping by tomorrow?? Bitcoin Charts: "their (BTCe's) API is still broken and they don't want to fix it" (back on Dec 18th) ... |
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When my original post above was written: - Auto lend was not lending >= $10 - The $100 loan limit was also implemented Through conversation w/scrooge, the >= $10 auto loan problem has been fixed. This mostly resolves the concerns I'd had. You can find information on the FAQ (support). As we're aware, the FAQ does not reflect these recent changes. I stand behind what I'd said, given the scenario that was occurring at the time. Again, it appears my concerns have been by majority resolved now. Thank you |
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Hello BGL, That was a change based on usage of lending over on Bitfinex. We think it's a good compromise, between being small enough to not push out small lenders, while avoiding lot of small offers that may interests you but doesn't bring much in term of liquidity. The idea was not to lower interest rates (which I don't think it will do). There is a trick for very small lenders: if you use auto-lending, the minimum amount is 10 USD for an offer to be posted. This amount of $100 won't be increased in the future. We still want to address people who don't always have a lot of savings and offer them a way to have a good return on their investment. This won't change. Thank you for your comprehension  Raphael Bitfinex - I find pushing small lenders out the door reminiscent of a bank, not bitcoin. - Where on your website are these changes posted or reflected? - You are incorrect in saying USD >= $10 in auto lend will post. As it does not. $100 being the the minimum, i have to shorten my loans in order to pick up the earned interest to keep the ball rolling. If i'm shortening the loan to pick up the interest, I'm less able to target higher interest longer term loans. |
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Requiring a minimum could force lenders into offering shorter term, lower interest loans.
The interest gained can't be near as quickly re-loaned.
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Originally, there was no minimum amount you could lend on Bitfinex Then, 2-3 weeks ago they put in a minimum of $10 Today, the minimum is now $100 Will it be $1,000 in a month? What's the deal? No notices of these changes?  It takes some work but i've had OK luck with getting high interest loans to stick. To answer "why would you loan +/-less than <x>" Or am i completely missing something? |
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My 2c
AVG has seriously gone down hill the last couple+ years. I've used free & paid versions. I no longer run (free or full) AVG on any machine.
I do however run the stand alone AVG LinkScanner on a few machines. It is 'OK' but can cause brief hangs in the browser here & there. The whole AVG toolbar situation (upon install & after) is obnoxious at best.
As far as Avast is concerned.. I've tried to choke it down a few times but just never end up committing. Last time i checked it ran more like nagware and required signup/subscription/blah blah not even sure the free version is ultimately free &/or doesn't expire.
MSE just kind of fills a gap of *something* being there that doesn't seem to cause complications or require frequent attention.
On a few machines (depends on type of user(s)) i run:
1. AdblockPlus
2. NoScript (for more experienced users)
3. AVG Linkscanner
4. MSE
5. Statically Assigned Norton DNS servers (nortondns.com)
No one hates Symantec & Norton products more than i do but the free DNS service they provide surprisingly seems decent. Obviously a router can be set to their dns servers too covering the machines on a lan easily.
Those items combined (in combo of firefox obviously) seems to be about as effective as it's going to get for an end user.
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Oh the humanity!
Microsoft Security Essentials and Kaspersky both are still ok.
MSE flagged 2 or more machines here. But i'm pretty sure i've seen it miss others. Not sure what to say about it. |
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After the backlog of data finished.. 11:23:19a <aSM- > !btc
11:23:19a <iPiG-N> (intrsng) 6.50 [6.50<>9.60] vol:[10]:btc
11:23:19a <iPiG-N> (bitmarket) 5.00 [5.00<>6.50] vol:[15]:btc
11:23:19a <iPiG-N> (ruxum) 5.95 [4.75<>19.00] vol:[111.4593]:btc
11:23:20a <iPiG-N> (btce) 5.50 [4.52<>10.70] vol:[911.2615]:btc
11:23:20a <iPiG-N> (cbx) 6.40 [4.60<>6.41] vol:[410.8491]:btc
11:23:20a <iPiG-N> (mtgox) 6.19962 [4.00<>15.9499] vol:[120394.7496]:btc
11:23:20a <iPiG-N> (exchb) 6.1753 [4.7645<>11.15] vol:[422.3154]:btc
11:23:21a <iPiG-N> (btcex) 6.92 [4.20<>6.92] vol:[236.08]:btc
11:23:22a <iPiG-N> (th) 6.0102 [4.37606<>8.06074212] vol:[4694.5597]:btc |
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It kind of appears it's more than just gox that had strange high trades.. 09:44:10a <aSM- > !btc
09:44:11a <iPiG-N> (b2c) 5.50 [<>7.30] vol:[]:btc
09:44:11a <iPiG-N> (intrsng) 6.50 [6.50<>9.60] vol:[10]:btc
09:44:11a <iPiG-N> (bitmarket) 6.50 [<>6.50] vol:[10]:btc
09:44:11a <iPiG-N> (ruxum) 5.50 [4.75<>19.00] vol:[83.285]:btc
09:44:12a <iPiG-N> (btce) 5.00 [4.52<>10.70] vol:[160.1849]:btc
09:44:12a <iPiG-N> (cbx) 5.40 [4.60<>6.41] vol:[311.1343]:btc
09:44:12a <iPiG-N> (mtgox) 6.00 [4.6001<>15.9499] vol:[56916.4029]:btc
09:44:13a <iPiG-N> (exchb) 5.9378 [4.7645<>11.15] vol:[369.7833]:btc
09:44:14a <iPiG-N> (btcex) 6.92 [4.20<>6.92] vol:[236.08]:btc
09:44:14a <iPiG-N> (th) 5.84530139 [4.37606<>8.06074212] vol:[3051.1707]:btc
(exchange) <current> [low<>high] vol:ume
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The title of this thread should be renamed "Bitcoin Collapse, Currency As A fallback"
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"Panic Selling" my ass.
Like many people i held on for quite a while. Too long, in fact. Yesterday i saw <= $5 coming by this weekend & decided to sell @ just below $7. At a loss, mind you.
I don't understand how people ignored the gorilla in the room this long. I've pretty much lost faith in the community policing themselves.
People on this forum seem unconsciously addicted to drinking their own piss flavored koolaid.
I might buy in again later down the road but i wasn't about to ride this shit into the ground.
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It would be nice if we could get some news when an exchange gets erratic or just drops off the map.
From the exchange themselves, or the map (ie, bitcoincharts)
Not the first time a +/-similar scenario like this plays out.
How are people so asleep at the wheel to not even notice &/or care?
I understand their volume isn't mtgox but no one wonders wtf when an exchange starts going bonkers?
Toward the end their data reflected ~4500 btc in (trades for the day) 5 diff currencies with (at best) strange trade behavior.
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Looks like they disappeared after this? Off of bitcoincharts anyways.
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In every currency? (USD, PLN, SAR, BGN)
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"Federal prosecutors successfully argued that von NotHaus was, in fact, trying to pass off the silver coins as U.S. currency. Coming in denominations of 5, 10, 20, and 50, the Liberty Dollars also featured a dollar sign, the word "dollar" and the motto "Trust in God," similar to the "In God We Trust" that appears on U.S. coins"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_DollarNot that wiki is the end all in reliable sources but it doesn't seem there's too much question here.
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I also noticed that transaction
03:59:18p <iPiG-M> (b7) 4343.2423 @ 8.25 ($35,832) (USD)
It could be just one person moving their own coins around. 4k+ is a lot, but it's not the most i've seen in one shot.
Small exchanges can have their +/-whole volume come & go.
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It's not trust or distrust, it's the complete absence of any attempt to find out more about how these exchanges/banks/wallets, operate.
For fuck's sake, there should be a fucking mob of people with lit torches hounding the exchanges about whether or not they speculate on their own exchanges, the real state of darkpools, a written roll back policy, written policies on how YOUR bitcoins are being held (can they be invested etc, who is overseeing it?, if they are being used for business expenses, how much? If they are being invested, how so?). But no, no one asks anything, and anyone who suggests that they shouldn't be trusted gets labeled a troll.
I wrote this post a few weeks ago about what us former poker players learned about money + limited regulation + interwebs. It spells trouble way more than not. The first poster was Tradehill's owner agreeing that we should be putting the screws to Exchanges, demanding transparency whenever possible.
You should be VERY concerned about a "bank run" on various BTC exchanges. I would bet an appendage of your choosing that some of these exchanges are not keeping 100% of bitcoin deposits in earnest. That they are liquidating them to pay for business related costs, optimistically, and less optimistically, they are cashing them out for hookers and blow.
You should be VERY concerned about having money on an exchange where the amount of bitcoins being held far exceeds their profit (a lot of exchanges have sub 100 btc volume per day). The only exchange that would have a problem walking away with all of their bitcoin deposits would be MtGox simply because they are the largest. If I'm sitting on $500k USD of bitcoins, and my site is only making $100/day profit, you can't fucking tell me that there is no temptation to walk off. Given the steady volume decline of the last few weeks we are in this situation for many exchanges, and if not, we'll be there soon.
Stop being fucking naive and drop the rose tinted glasses. Just because you're asking hard questions and are skeptical, doesn't mean you are anti-bitcoin. ^ This. There's nothing keeping anyone honest. There's no accountabilityPeople don't want government involvement yet how is anyone held accountable? Vigilante justice? Just because you're asking hard questions and are skeptical, doesn't mean you are anti-bitcoin. So true. |
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