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601  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: July 16, 2013, 04:40:21 PM
Hello,

I've just started looking at LocalBitcoins.com for an online buy funded from within the US. I'm having a little trouble sorting through and understanding all the available funding options, and their costs. I see many funding options listed - including OKPay, MoneyGram, Western Union, bank transfers from specific banks, etc.

Is there somewhere I can easily find out more about the cost and restrictions of each funding option, without researching each one individually? I'm a little overwhelmed by the funding options. I've tried doing the research myself, but some of the funding options (like MoneyGram) offer different services at different fees. I'm not sure even which service is correct.

Sorry for the noob question, and thanks in advance for any helpful response Smiley

Hi Cardcomm

yeah, a noob question it is but those are the most valuable for the devs as most noobs don't dare to ask and so the service ends up only being used by the experience users that flood the devs with more expert features making the noob experience even worse although more and more features get accomplished, so thanks again. We were all noobs at some point.

(terms made up by me. people please correct me if there are better names for these types of exchanges)
There are floating exchanges (the exchange allows you to make arbitrary buy and sell offers and the exchange matches them, having all the coins and $$ under their control. MtGox is one of them), market maker exchanges (the exchange is basically just one big market maker that offers a buy and a sell price that it adjusts much slower than some floating exchange, so you can buy and sell at a price at display) and there are "social" exchanges that facilitate the process of other people willing to exchange, but that don't actually hold your money. Most prominent example historically would be the OTC IRC where the first "exchange" established. These exchanges keep track of the reputation of traders and help you find out who you can trade with based on the payment methods available to you. Localbitcoins opted to target more for the in person exchange where you deal with cash but due to demand, now all the classical methods that you mentioned are offered by its users as well. Localbitcoins is agnostic to the payment option though. It only distinguishes between cash and electronic in that cash is advertised to your proximity and electronic to all within your currency independent of distance. Therefore Localbitcoins has no core interest in providing fee infos as neither can it know all the details of MPesa, Chinese wire transfer, Australian food tokens or whatnot people decide to use, nor the fees the advertiser is willing to cover. Therefore you have to read the single advertisements and judge for yourself if that trader is trustworthy and if you like the payment method. It is much more heterogeneous than MtGox for example but therefore also has a strength.
602  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: July 16, 2013, 03:51:21 PM
If only you could go to the Wells Fargo (if bank attached to ATM) and say "hey, the person who gave me this counterfeit bill said he got it from this ATM"...

I doubt he was careless enough to even walk in front of that camera. If he was, you would get his identity this way. Fingerprints on the bill? Not sure if police would check for fingerprints but in a criminal case, he would have bad luck after actually using the ATM.

Do you think he got the fake bills from the machine? I doubt that. He probably only got part of the cash from the machine to make the seller think all bills were from the machine, decreasing the likelyhood he would check them thoroughly.


well, if he got it from an ATM, chances are 100% his identity can be pinned to one of 3 persons with only the timestamp of the bitcoin transaction and some thinking of when and how things happened. Sure, the ATM was a cover up to hide the fake bills but if I were him I wouldn't have gone near the ATM as banks and ATMs are full of cameras and with your card in the machine, your ID should be checked.
603  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: July 16, 2013, 03:31:50 AM
If only you could go to the Wells Fargo (if bank attached to ATM) and say "hey, the person who gave me this counterfeit bill said he got it from this ATM"...

I doubt he was careless enough to even walk in front of that camera. If he was, you would get his identity this way. Fingerprints on the bill? Not sure if police would check for fingerprints but in a criminal case, he would have bad luck after actually using the ATM.
604  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 16, 2013, 03:28:50 AM
Jan, at Bitcoin 2013, you talked about the ability to sweep in amounts you kept in a QR code in your physical wallet and change directly back to the physical wallet... when do you think this feature will be more automated in mycelium?
Can you elaborate on this? Right now you can add keys to addresses and spend form it. How would you envision the perfect user interaction for physical paper wallets?
Sweeping addresses has some slightly distinct use. Imagine you receive a bit-bill and want to make sure, nobody else receives it. You would scan it, but never actively use the address after receiving what was in it this moment. An advanced option would be, to also in the future sweep what is received with it, instantly, but that would surely not be a free service.
605  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I taint rich! (Raw txn fun and disrupting 'taint' analysis; >51kBTC linked!) on: July 15, 2013, 09:13:57 PM
Huh??? How does a system that is based on meeting with others to forge a mix have anything to do with ZeroCoin? ZeroCoin allows you to add a coin to the mix at any time and pull it out later without the two events being connected by knowable links.
606  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitmit - Bitcoin shopping mall - Bitcoin market place - Bitcoin auction house on: July 15, 2013, 08:09:36 PM
Bitmit gone, say bye bye to your money.


Some Million dollar worth bitcoins gone.
Even it might be hard to imagine for you but there are also serious bitcoiners out there who would not be able to live good when they stole btcs..

SORRY for no response guys! Bitmit was/is facing a DDOS attack and our hoster decided to take the server temp. offline to protect the network. I am working to get it online again. I hoping this can be done in the next hour.


Why DDOS Bitmit?  Seriously just something to pass the time or what.  At anyrate thanks for the update.  Hope to see the market open soon

well, bitmit has competition. I'm pretty sure most of these DDOS attacks MtGox or bitmit or any bitcoin business receives come from either within the community from directly competing services as I guess is the case with all the pools having DDOS all the time, or from outside as a more general currency-competitor doesn't like the bitcoin economy to grow.
607  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Malware alert: Listentobitcoins on: July 15, 2013, 07:53:47 PM
So, is it likely I have some key logger with my wallet copied to some evil guy? I run a rather freshly installed debian.

Yeah, I tell all my friends with their Windows problems that there are no Linux-Viruses but with my bitcoins at stake I feel a bit paranoid.
608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin on alternativeto.net on: July 15, 2013, 05:46:37 PM
hmm, apparently I just bumped into some ongoing progress as the 103 likes bitcoin got, are all from the last 30 days, so filtered by last 30 days bitcoin is a clear winner already. Smiley

also alternativeto.net is most likely far less popular than bitcoin and I like the idea, so maybe we can give this platform as a whole some love?
609  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin on alternativeto.net on: July 15, 2013, 05:44:39 PM
Alternativeto.net in theory is a great tool. Of cours like all web-votings it is biased not towards the best apps but to the oldest and best established apps which bothers me with my other project FluxCards. For Bitcoin it looks better thogh. Some 30 votes needed to get on top of PayPal:
http://alternativeto.net/software/bitcoin/
610  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Malware alert: Listentobitcoins on: July 15, 2013, 04:46:37 PM
Bump: Hargnah, why doesn't this thread get more attention?Huh It should be linked everywhere but instead there is silence.
611  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitmit - Bitcoin shopping mall - Bitcoin market place - Bitcoin auction house on: July 15, 2013, 04:42:10 PM
Bitmit gone, say bye bye to your money.


Some Million dollar worth bitcoins gone.
Even it might be hard to imagine for you but there are also serious bitcoiners out there who would not be able to live good when they stole btcs..

SORRY for no response guys! Bitmit was/is facing a DDOS attack and our hoster decided to take the server temp. offline to protect the network. I am working to get it online again. I hoping this can be done in the next hour.

I was expecting something like that but still I hope you see how users are nervous. Please update us about your cold storage strategy and about the ownership of the service.
Unfortunately there is no competition that I would consider worthy a try but transparency helps trust a service.
612  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitmit - Bitcoin shopping mall - Bitcoin market place - Bitcoin auction house on: July 15, 2013, 03:34:04 PM
Lol, great strategy. Buy every viable service and ripp off the customers. Most likely this can destroy Bitcoin for free.

To all: if you want to sell your service, sell it for at least twice the amount of Bitcoins in the wallet.
I hope for micro transaction channels or something similar. Bitmit should not need to control its customers money.
613  Bitcoin / Press / 2013-07-14 Bitcoin: ökonomischer Feldversuch mit ungewissem Ausgang on: July 15, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
The first Austrian (no kangaroos) state radio Ö1 had a feature about Bitcoin today.

http://oe1.orf.at/programm/343012

There is also an audio version that is quite long.

Very positive but kind of pushes people to look into mining (?) and had a skeptical end like the title suggests (Bitcoin: economic field trial with uncertain Outcome)
614  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Free Bitcoin! Well, only if you are my FB friend... on: July 15, 2013, 04:35:50 AM
I doubt it depends greatly on the value offered. Imagine some of your friends asked you to take his flupcoin. Would you? I mean either I have a strong opinion (I would loudly refuse to take ripples or litecoin) or I would wonder why this not so close friend is giving away free money or I would refuse to take a money gift from a real friend. Therefore I guess making it more would have to be so much more that the "friend"'s moral gets overruled. Yeah, I would take ripple if it was worth $10,000 if I'm allowed to instantly sell them.
615  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Malware alert: Listentobitcoins on: July 15, 2013, 04:10:54 AM
This changer.php-thing either is not functional or resists to a simple wget. Hope somebody can find out what the threat is or was two days ago.

Here is what I get with changer.php. Redirects to really fishy stuff and then dies, right?

Code:
$ wget http://www.justiceresearchinstitute.org/changer.php
--2013-07-15 00:08:26--  http://www.justiceresearchinstitute.org/changer.php
Resolving www.justiceresearchinstitute.org (www.justiceresearchinstitute.org)... 70.86.182.49
Connecting to www.justiceresearchinstitute.org (www.justiceresearchinstitute.org)|70.86.182.49|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://clisim.memostriamsdays.biz/f2ab0c/meets_weird-justification-telephone/shortest-abuse.php [following]
--2013-07-15 00:08:27--  http://clisim.memostriamsdays.biz/f2ab0c/meets_weird-justification-telephone/shortest-abuse.php
Resolving clisim.memostriamsdays.biz (clisim.memostriamsdays.biz)... 74.63.209.216
Connecting to clisim.memostriamsdays.biz (clisim.memostriamsdays.biz)|74.63.209.216|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 502 Bad Gateway
2013-07-15 00:08:28 ERROR 502: Bad Gateway.
616  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Malware alert: Listentobitcoins on: July 15, 2013, 04:06:38 AM
ok, so I was at listentobitcoins.com 2 days ago. what should I expect?

I got to go to bed now but is this bad? According to my analysis of this first some lines It does:
eval("") which looks like the really interesting part is in http://www.justice research institute.org/changer.php

(I first tried to just understand this munged part but then decided to debug it after removing the eval part that I had figured out pretty quickly. At my first attempt my box was online, what I highly regret. Kids, don't do that at home. It's playing with fire. Wish I had a separate box that runs off a CD without HD or something for analyzing Viruses.)
617  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do if you've lost your Bitcoin Wallet Key Passphrase on: July 14, 2013, 05:21:31 PM
This problem has already essentially been solved by Armory, as long as you make a paper backup, you can recover your bitcoins even if you forget your pass phrase.

"If you keep a plain text copy of your wallet, you can recover your bitcoins even if you forget your pass phrase!"
   -- Captain Obvious
618  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Re-structure bitcoin.org design and layout on: July 14, 2013, 06:52:26 AM
I like it.
Two things about the http://bitcoinhome.zapto.org/en/choose-your-wallet though:
1) The hosted wallets deserve a warning. All of them. The way it is now you hover over the first and get warned and with later ones you feel like "oh, so these are safe?". Especially when you don't really read the warning. Why not put the warning just a bit out of the way once you confirmed it? Extend the block and push the red warning up so it stays sticky?
2) Spacing! blockchain.info and coinbase appearing twice is really confusing the way it is now. Make clear that the icons belong to the colons above, please. Preferably even stronger than in my "screenshot":



Edit: I kind of got used to the voodoo-guy but yeah, really, you might consider replacing him, too. He's not "well connected", he's a walking TV antenna or a voodoo doll.
619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do if you've lost your Bitcoin Wallet Key Passphrase on: July 14, 2013, 06:22:09 AM
If you've lost your key, don't throw away you wallet. I read more than once here on the forum that somebody did so and years later desperately searched for it. Put it into your regular backup and forget about it after writing down all you know about it. Most likely you picked a weak password anyway but you have an edge over attackers by having the wallet and knowing something, be it the way you generated it, the length, the vocabulary, so when the day comes that the value in that wallet would be worth to brute force it, pay somebody to brute force it. There will come the day when the wallet password security is a joke compared to the by then feasible brute-forcing of actual private keys. The day when bitcoin long has migrated to a new algo Wink
620  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 14, 2013, 02:46:40 AM
i think it would make sense to not allow deletion of private keys when it is sure that it has never been exported (freshly generated, never exported in any way)
If the key has coins in it, I guess the corner cases of people having access to the key without the app knowing about it, are rare enough to insist in exporting the key. On the other hand I would make a screen with red font letting the user confirm twice that he has a backup, even if the app thinks he can't.

Are you sure you want to delete key 1xcvz... with 1034.2234Ƀ?
[Export key first]
[Cancel]

[Delete! I want to loose these 1034.2234Ƀ] -> [Really really delete it now!]


(I hate installing Linux to hard drives I just bought. In the one screen they ask you, which disk to install to: Samsung 250GB, Hitatchi 80GB. You know you just bought this neat little SSD of 250GB and click A. 3 Screens later it asks you "Are you sure you want to completely erase hd0,0. This can not be undone." Every single time in this screen I want to click "back" to check if I picked the right disc cause there is no "Samsung" and no "250GB" which was what I based my choice on before. Many products have these silly security screens where a modal window that covers your selection asks you, if you want to delete the selected item. Please be explicit when you have security questions. Thanx. Smiley )
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