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201  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 31, 2013, 06:00:41 PM
The other day I think someone accidentally sent me 100MMC as a vote. If you wanted to vote just send 1 Satoshi. If this was a mistake, let me know and I will return it. If it was a donation, thanks, you rock. Either way let me know!

Remember vote 1 Satoshi to this address MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg
202  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 31, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
If everyone can post the same address they used to vote here or on the reddit posts I started it would be great. That way I can cross reference with the chainbrowser.

I think we can do this!

I've started creating other voting address for other positions, but vanitygen takes awhile to generate.

Thanks!

203  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 31, 2013, 03:21:05 PM
M8rQPyrNRo82ywQYWXny9A2RqX449tpxoE 
thx

Thank you.

Spread the word in the pools.


Right now there are 500 coins per day going to each position. If we get a 50 votes whose coin total worth is more than the current CEO's backers, everyone would get 10 coins per day. That's more than the average joe miner is probably getting in the pools.

204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 31, 2013, 02:49:34 PM
Cool beans. I voted with my wallet, now I am voting with my exchange funds too. It's getting interesting!

How do you vote with your exchange funds?

Not sure but I think it has to be in your wallet. I could be wrong though.
205  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 31, 2013, 02:46:44 PM
Wow, only 19 votes? so how much MMC would it take to unseat total MMC for the CTO/CEO position?

www.memorycoinvoting.com
Looks like the cno position is the easiest to grab.

I think this is a wonderful idea so I have just put my vote to you.
My wallet has 13000 MMC so this should help us along nicely.

I know if more people could see this, they would agree too. Unfortunately with all the coins out there, people don't care to be bothered with this.

It looks like he currently has 107797 coins backing his vote. We would need that many coins to unseat him in the CEO position.
206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 (MMC) - 5 Positions Available - $360/day on: December 31, 2013, 12:16:06 AM
Not if you put a minimum amount of 1 MMC per address and a one vote per wallet. A bi-weekly vote with a 30 minute voting window or something like that. Or I know, don't have any positions at all and let the miners mine and find incentive to keep the coin flourishing.
207  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 31, 2013, 12:02:25 AM
equal distribution is not necessary for a currency to survive. There needs to exist some form of inequality to match the nature of how societies are currently exist.

MN6YDXS7skVfZYTeT9Ri2ZMsj55vcomh1G


I am not saying equally distribute among all MMC holders, only equally distributed amongst those who vote.
208  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 31, 2013, 12:00:46 AM
I see the OP campaign as a chance for the coin to self regulate to the extent. That is, not only who gets paid for their efforts but also how much.

Since any officer can offer to give (some %) back to the community, or supporters, this could create a market price for the CEO, CTO etc. positions.

Technical questions:

Does sending MMC Satoshi from an exchange count?
Can the voting account on an  exchange receive the funds from the redistribution as well?

and

How easy is it for you to redistribute funds amongst voters every time you get paid if elected?


The CEO has collected 12071 coins from the position. http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/address/MVTEceoTeDMmxFHcRbkMyJGN4ct7ULKkS6/

He also holds the CTO position which had collected 12071 coins. http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/address/MVTEcto33ErvL7f5PBAaPakazcpw6HRn7F/

He has received only 19 votes!

The votes are weighted to the amount of MMC in your wallet. More MMC, the more your vote is worth. Just like Wall Street and DC!

As long as the Satoshi is sent to one of the MVTE addresses, it should work I think.

As long as the http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/ site is up, I will be able to see who voted. It doesn't appear that too many people are into the voting process and I am beginning to think unseating the current officer may never happen without massive MMC holders voting.

209  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 (MMC) - 5 Positions Available - $360/day on: December 30, 2013, 11:37:03 PM
Why did block 3780 just pay each office 5x the block reward?

http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/tx/9de0bdcea7a7687fd803fd82a32a8c69746dbda6a5bfab17e6d02f6aad5b85a2/

And block 3760 paid 4x?

http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/block/000032e75edc9b48b5a479226fbfe5d7e0b48f0be8cff64cddce0bc74d4eba72/

Piecing together related transactions and consolidated accounts from the genesis block I am guessing the Dev has close to 85k coins by way of skirting a premine and near 25k from the offices he holds.


Some else look at this and tell me what you see. http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/address/MVTEceoTeDMmxFHcRbkMyJGN4ct7ULKkS6/



This seems to be an error in the block explorer. My wallet doesn't show multiple payouts from a block.

Your calculations may be correct, though I don't know how you think you could reliably estimate what he got from honoring MemoryCoin 1 and PTS. The 2 positions he is holding definitely add up to >20k until now.
I still don't see why this should be a bad thing.

I think it's crap that he weighted the vote. If you look at the explorer he has only about 20 votes and he has collected ~24k in coins because of that weight which is making him more untouchable. I am pretty sure I have made connections that he received 17726, and 5000 from the genesis block by the way it was filtered through accounts before and after voting. Still connecting some other addresses (2k from mining another 16k genesis and a few others) but between the 24k received from the positions and the 23k above, it's pretty safe to say he has at the least 47k MMC not including any mining he has done. I will post a chart later.

The reason I care so much is he established himself as controller.  He has made the coin about him and his greed. He can manipulate the vote to his favor and keep collecting coins. He had about 20 votes earlier today. 20 votes! It would probably take someone hundreds of votes with the amount of weight he has to unseat him and guess what? No one is successfully running against him and virtually nobody has voted for him except himself and a couple other officers.  He has to much power for a decentralized currency. There is reason why people stay away from premined coins, because someone is getting an unfair advantage. He is giving himself an advantage over you and the miners. Besides isn't it just a good old conflict of interest?  

This how I imagine his inner dialogue, "Technically not going to premine for my own benefit but rather for Memorycoin beta failure and PTS then create positions and vote myself in with my share of the genesis so I can keep racking in the coins". "Oh yeah, and my genesis share is worth more than any other  Wink".

Does anyone else see this? I get that people here a invested and want to make some dough, but no one else is concerned?
210  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 (MMC) - 5 Positions Available - $360/day on: December 30, 2013, 04:12:46 PM
Why did block 3780 just pay each office 5x the block reward?

http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/tx/9de0bdcea7a7687fd803fd82a32a8c69746dbda6a5bfab17e6d02f6aad5b85a2/

And block 3760 paid 4x?

http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/block/000032e75edc9b48b5a479226fbfe5d7e0b48f0be8cff64cddce0bc74d4eba72/

Piecing together related transactions and consolidated accounts from the genesis block I am guessing the Dev has close to 85k coins by way of skirting a premine and near 25k from the offices he holds.


Some else look at this and tell me what you see. http://www.chainbrowser.com/memorycoin/address/MVTEceoTeDMmxFHcRbkMyJGN4ct7ULKkS6/

211  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 29, 2013, 11:59:12 PM

53 coins going to each officer every 20 blocks is absurd.


Depends on what he/she/they do for the coin. Note that having 10,000 coins is irrelevant for the voting system since more than one million coins have already been issued and all of them can vote. In fact, I think that the CSO has been replaced recently that means that the community is selecting who takes the positions.

Now that the coin has reached a estable value I hope that more individuals/enterprises apply for the positions so we can see a constructive 'competition' to provide services to the coin: a professional on marketing who could attract media coverage, the charity position that isn't covered yet could reinforce the community-oriented basis of the coin...

Redistributing the coins of the positions without criteria would just devaluate the coin. This coin has a mechanism to make it grow and offer more services, so let's see what people can do to add value and support them.

Let's be real, you named 2 out of 6 positions that could be essential to the future of the coin. The other positions have already outlived their necessity. The website, pools etc. have been established. What they earned so far could pay for every altcoins services like this.

What exactly is the duty of the CEO? Does FreeTrade tell the others what to do? Does he do anything in relation to his title and are those duties that of a developer, and this is a clever way around a premine?

 



Bitcoin is almost 5 years old and behind it there is still and active group of developers. I would not say that the CTO, CSO and CNO positions are finished with their work: pools can be improved, miners can be optimized, new users/miners have to be helped, bugs have to be fixed... Coding never ends.

I agree that CEO's tasks are quite ambiguous but everybody is free to propose something good for the coin and apply for the CEO position. If the proposal is good enough I'm convinced that the community will strongly support it.

If the coin has value, there will always be incentive to optimize miners and fix bugs. Mining the coins and the scarcity of the coins used to be all the incentive needed.  Now developers are trying to finagle their way into a free coin supply under ambiguous pretense.  Pools charge fees, so their incentive to improve is inherent.

The problem here is that this coin is trying to be run like a corporation.  Running the coin with this corporate structure will result in a centralized coin, not a decentralized coin. By saying my vote is worth less than yours because I don't have as much coin as you all the while giving free coins to those already in power is disenfranchising. It is somewhat like the Three-Fifths Compromise with out the racial or ethnic undertones (and by no means a direct comparison). Do you think if you tried at this point, you would be able to unseat any of the elected at this point with out a huge campaign and the coin going to sh*t?
212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 29, 2013, 08:31:17 PM
It's nothing I need to disclose, I am the elected CSO. Everyone who is concerned should know Wink

I neither want to blindly redistribute, nor share it between some greedy people doing nothing for it, my mission is to reward people helping the coin.
The team building and idea discussion process is hard work, and I just wondered what you have been doing since the holidays.

Ok. Congrats! And good luck.
213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 29, 2013, 08:17:01 PM

53 coins going to each officer every 20 blocks is absurd.


Depends on what he/she/they do for the coin. Note that having 10,000 coins is irrelevant for the voting system since more than one million coins have already been issued and all of them can vote. In fact, I think that the CSO has been replaced recently that means that the community is selecting who takes the positions.

Now that the coin has reached a estable value I hope that more individuals/enterprises apply for the positions so we can see a constructive 'competition' to provide services to the coin: a professional on marketing who could attract media coverage, the charity position that isn't covered yet could reinforce the community-oriented basis of the coin...

Redistributing the coins of the positions without criteria would just devaluate the coin. This coin has a mechanism to make it grow and offer more services, so let's see what people can do to add value and support them.

Let's be real, you named 2 out of 6 positions that could be essential to the future of the coin. The other positions have already outlived their necessity. The website, pools etc. have been established. What they earned so far could pay for every altcoins services like this.

What exactly is the duty of the CEO? Does FreeTrade tell the others what to do? Does he do anything in relation to his title and are those duties that of a developer, and this is a clever way around a premine?

 

214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 29, 2013, 07:57:20 PM
charity is going to sean's outpost
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1617

agreeing with the rest.
redistributing between those who voted is unnecessary and just an appeal to greed.
or what other reason is there to hold on to your idea after you learned about the spoil addresses? that would be the fairest way of redistribution...

Says the guy vying for one of the positions. Care to disclose? If you are in office, it would behoove you to smear my attempt.
215  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The MemoryCoin 2.0 BlockChain is Hiring on: December 29, 2013, 07:42:26 PM
Freetrade i have running this programm since 2 days in my laptop and he crash without generate an adress

so i think i abort my idea to contribute to the memorycoin by proposing my candidate to the voting

The process to be in is too difficult for me

regards,

oclvanitygen does not work with latest Catalyst, you have to downgrade to 12.10

i have try but impossible to generate an adress so...

What is the problem? Maybe I can help. It took me awhile to figure it out too. I took screenshots of everything I did and would post them or just explain what I did.
216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 redistribution vote on: December 29, 2013, 05:45:41 PM
Dude, the vote is weighted to how much MMC you have in your wallet.  Someones vote who has 10,000 MMC's in their wallet will have 10x the voting power as someone with 1000( not necessarily the ratio used, just an example).  Since these guys have been holding office for a couple weeks and gaining upwards of 500mmc per day, it's sufficient to say some of them have over 8k in MMC when your average miner in a pool might be lucky to have a couple hundred.
 
This is not decentralized. There is a possibility for these guys to gain so much control that it would take a massive coordinated campaign to remove them from office.

If each address/wallet with at least 1 MMC got one equal vote and the number of MMC beyond 1 had no weight, along with maybe a 2 coin payout per 20 blocks I would be okay with it. But 53 coins every 20 blocks is just a faucet for a selected few while diluting miners worth at the same time.

Here is wiki's definition of decentralization: Decentralization (or decentralisation) is the process of redistributing or dispersing functions, powers, people or things away from a central location or authority.

Redistributing is what I want to do.

Send a Satoshi to this address MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg
Or
Vote for these spoil addresses if you don't trust or want me to redistribute the coins, please!

MVTEceo1111111111111111111111TvNrt
MVTEcha11111111111111111111116GDGs
MVTEcmo1111111111111111111115e9dK3
MVTEcto1111111111111111111119owJby
MVTEcno222222222222222222222B1FB3W
MVTEcso555555555555555555555G6uEbs

53 coins going to each officer every 20 blocks is absurd.
217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 (MMC) - 5 Positions Available - $360/day on: December 29, 2013, 05:09:02 PM
There's no default. The dev is elected CEO and CTO.

Elected by himself, for himself. Since it is a weighted vote and the coin was technically premined for PTS and his preceding memorycoin flop holders (contributors not bag holders), it's essentially a default.

Like I said before, you don't have to vote for me if you are OK with the un-mined dilution occurring every 20 blocks going straight to the pockets of a soon to be elite few.

If you want some extra MMC, vote for me MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg

If you want nothing, don't vote for me.
218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 (MMC) - 5 Positions Available - $360/day on: December 29, 2013, 04:17:25 PM
Memorycoin 2.0 currently has blockchain officer positions which are scheduled to receive 1% of all mined coins. 


Currently each of the 6 positions is receiving 53.2 coins every 20 blocks.


On Average, 20 blocks are being found every ~2.5 hours right now.


Roughly, each officer is receiving +500 coins per day right now. When the average miner is lucky to find a block of 266 coins and most are likely receiving far less in a pool, this distribution of coins is completely out of line. I think what each officer has received so far is sufficient to compensate what each has contributed well beyond what is truly deserved even at the current market price of ~$.50 per coin. This equates to around $250 per day in coins not going to miners, not including the future worth of the coins or inflation.


Memorycoin 2.0, a DAC child of Protoshares/Bitshares is going against everything a DAC represents. D is for Distributed and the A is for Autonomous, and Memorycoin is lacking in both those regards. This also seems to slip out of being a decentralized crypto-currency.  This coin is being set up for an elite few to gain more coins and power than the miners who keep the system alive.

If you would like to see these coins redistributed equally and fairly then send one MMC Satoshi .00000001 to
MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg


Send your vote and then leave your MMC address here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389386.msg4190260#msg4190260


I will evenly distribute equal amounts of MMC to everyone that votes for me.  Since the weight of the vote is proportional to the amount of MMC you have in your wallet, this may be a lost cause as the system may be too far gone and unbalanced.

If this works I will generate more addresses for the other positions so all unearned/unmined coins get distributed out.


Send your vote here MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg



People put an effort, time and their knowledge to help/push the coin up, make it better. They get payed for it (I am OK with it)
You just want to milk it.
 


"You just want to milk it" is better directed at the dev's. This is only a clever way around a premine, which this coin unfortunately has too under the guise of "dividends" to PTS holders. Defaulting the positions to being held by the dev is milking it.

Nobody said you had to vote for me though.

Good luck!
219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MemoryCoin 2.0 (MMC) - 5 Positions Available - $360/day on: December 29, 2013, 01:17:49 PM
Memorycoin 2.0 currently has blockchain officer positions which are scheduled to receive 1% of all mined coins. 


Currently each of the 6 positions is receiving 53.2 coins every 20 blocks.


On Average, 20 blocks are being found every ~2.5 hours right now.


Roughly, each officer is receiving +500 coins per day right now. When the average miner is lucky to find a block of 266 coins and most are likely receiving far less in a pool, this distribution of coins is completely out of line. I think what each officer has received so far is sufficient to compensate what each has contributed well beyond what is truly deserved even at the current market price of ~$.50 per coin. This equates to around $250 per day in coins not going to miners, not including the future worth of the coins or inflation.


Memorycoin 2.0, a DAC child of Protoshares/Bitshares is going against everything a DAC represents. D is for Distributed and the A is for Autonomous, and Memorycoin is lacking in both those regards. This also seems to slip out of being a decentralized crypto-currency.  This coin is being set up for an elite few to gain more coins and power than the miners who keep the system alive.

If you would like to see these coins redistributed equally and fairly then send one MMC Satoshi .00000001 to
MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg


Send your vote and then leave your MMC address here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389386.msg4190260#msg4190260


I will evenly distribute equal amounts of MMC to everyone that votes for me.  Since the weight of the vote is proportional to the amount of MMC you have in your wallet, this may be a lost cause as the system may be too far gone and unbalanced.

If this works I will generate more addresses for the other positions so all unearned/unmined coins get distributed out.


Send your vote here MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg

220  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The MemoryCoin BlockChain is Hiring on: December 29, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
I am applying for the position of CEO.

Over 100,000 coins are expected to be "paid" out to the person who holds this title over the next 2 years.

Over 14,000 coins have been "paid" to the Current CEO. I believe the preservation of his capital and future appreciation are enough incentive for the CEO to continue to do whatever it is he does as in regards to the positions title. Not too sure exactly what he contributes to the coin under the designation to continue to justly continue receiving the coins being issued.

The current CEO also retains the title of CTO, a position more justifiably suited to his continued contributions but also overpaid. This position has also garnered a handsome 14,000 coins to date.

The current CEO/CTO is also the Developer of the coin with an established ~7.3% premine whereas he is the largest holder due to his "contributions" to Memorycoin "beta" and PTS "dividends". CEO was also a Dev on PTS.

The Dev/CEO/CTO also weighted the vote proportional to the amount of coins held. This is where the conflict of interest arises. You can not guarantee yourself the largest amount of coin from Block 1 and run for a position where the number of coins dictate who stays in the position.

Help me "Free" the coin!

Vote 1 Satoshi, JUST 1 Satoshi to this address MVTEceo3RoiqBhfqjVovtyMAVUJLoHiGTg

The coins that are pouring out of this faucet into the CEO's pocket will be redirected and equally divided up to those who vote.

Please do not send more than a Satoshi, or donate any coin to the address. Once elected I will gladly accept donations to this address MTKFbRMapm32QRETu9SQgMAqXa9r8nAfHy, but I urge you not to send anything until "we" get elected as your "donation" will possibly be for nothing.

Thanks,
Newmine

Leave your address in the following thread after you vote!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389386.msg4190260#msg4190260
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