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Is 25 1070s + 25 1070 ti's sufficient to participate?
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I am a statistician, and neural nets are in essence nonlinear regression models that predict some target variable Y based on a complex function of several input variables, say a vector X. So they are usually used to identify systematic relationships between some target and many possible predictors.
These papers describe a creative but non-standard use that I'm not sure has much use in POW mining. In mining, Y is a randomly generated target number that has to be hashed with some function, with solutions reflecting randomly generated numbers hashed through the same function then compared to see if they are < Y. There is nothing particularly special about using neural nets for the hashing, because one is just trying still by luck to obtain a solution smaller than the target. There are no systematic regression relationships among variables to be modeled with the nnet. If there were systematic predictors of the target it would actually be much easier to hit it.
In proof of useful work, real models with real data might be substituted, but it is a different issue than using nnets to construct a hash function which seems computationally wasteful.
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Hi,
I'm too lazy to check that deeply, so...
do you have to register on f2pool to mine BTM?
It looked like that to me so I did and it is working...BTM is under the "lab" section. |
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Any plans for SMOS to support a Bytom Miner -- NebuTech BTMiner?
Not right now. Only if there will be more interested people. Thanks ewbf, this was added to SMOS today but I am having a problem
ERROR: CUDA DRIVER VERSION IS INSUFFICIENT FOR CUDA RUNTIME VERSION
seems the issue is with EWBF
Please try downloading newest image from our website and see if that will fix problem. If not then i guess that problem could be in EWBF miner. Bminer 9.0 now will mine Bytom. Since Bminer is already routinely updated, perhaps 9.0 could be added on next SMOS update. |
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I am interested in trying one to start with, same boat as others w/ Onda b250s tho good to know slot 0 can be set to 4x. Also curious about CPUs, I'm just G4400s mostly.
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It does looking interesting but I can't tell if EC-Schnorr is the consensus algo itself or a feature that allows some other more common algo to acquire unique features.
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I have a friend who can hash SHA 256 on an abacus.
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There's been a quite a lot of this sort of discussion, and if you check similar threads here you'll see a range of opinions. I think it depends on your risk tolerance. If you have to go 1070 for some reason, personally I prefer the 1070ti since the extra CUDAs have a real impact for only slightly more price.
Overall just depends on how much capital you can afford tie up in equipment, your risk tolerance, belief in the future crypto, what you want to mine and whether it will be asic'ed or fpga'ed (some believe everything will) and whether makes sense for you to just wait for the 11 series cards dropping soon. Good luck.
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Count me in if we get enough volume; quantity will depend on pricing and progress with the devs for the wares
same here |
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I wish you luck with your coin, but from a miner's perspective I do look at such a humongous block reward and wonder, why? I think a total supply approaching 1 trillion may be a bit extreme for most people's taste, though I'm sure you've thought it through and have your reasons.
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Here I found something interesting randomly:
"Dr. Randy Huang, FPGA Architect, Intel Programmable Solutions Group, and one of the co-authors, states, “Deep learning is the most exciting field in AI because we have seen the greatest advancement and the most applications driven by deep learning. While AI and DNN research favors using GPUs, we found that there is a perfect fit between the application domain and Intel’s next generation FPGA architecture. We looked at upcoming FPGA technology advances, the rapid pace of innovation in DNN algorithms, and considered whether future high-performance FPGAs will outperform GPUs for next-generation DNNs. Our research found that FPGA performs very well in DNN research and can be applicable in research areas such as AI, big data or machine learning which requires analyzing large amounts of data. The tested Intel Stratix 10 FPGA outperforms the GPU when using pruned or compact data types versus full 32 bit floating point data (FP32). In addition to performance, FPGAs are powerful because they are adaptable and make it easy to implement changes by reusing an existing chip which lets a team go from an idea to prototype in six months—versus 18 months to build an ASIC.”"
That was from last year. In fact, more than a year ago. Bitmain is going after AI. AI is deeplearning. Self driving cars. Recognition software. Billions of dollars.
Bitmain is going to eat NVIDIAs lunch. I would invest in Bitmain if I still was in finance.
One possibility is that given a finite supply of fpgas, comerical companies focused on AI development may represent a more profitable buying base for Bitmain. Of course some of their fpgas may go to miners too, I just wonder how much they will initially be targeting Big Tech companies whose purchasing power dwarfs that of the mining community. |
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No one has mentioned a group that really wants ASICs to hit the market for all algos, and that is the gamers. They have been bitching about the prices of GPUs going higher and higher because of miners.
I have been through it all, GPUs, Gridseed blades, Antminers, more GPUs, and on and on. My son, who is a gamer has been doing nothing but bitching about the high price of GPUs, so he is pro ASIC.
As I said before, it's clear that Bitmain can now produce an ASIC for any algo. No one is complaining about Baikal miners, why because they are not Bitmain. But yet they are multi-algo miners.
Just watch, if there is another algo with a high value coin attached to it, there will be an ASIC for it. Now you have FPGAs coming out that can mine any algo. What are the pro GPU people going to do then?
I see FPGA in the same category as GPU. Are they dominantly controlled by ONE company? Even if they were, aren't they used for more than one purpose like GPU's? Can they be easily banned by governments like ASIC's can when shipped into a country? I'm even thinking about buying some myself. Takes some "know how" though or relying on someone else who Knows how. The point of competition induced by multiple FPGA suppliers is an important one. This will ultimately drive price down over the long run. |
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The question is how much of that hash has been at play and how much new will hit the network with the June batch. Subsequent batches are still on the assembly line so impossible to know the final result.
I wonder if we will see a ZEC difficulty drop for a short time when they ship. Or bitmain may be smart enough to send several waves so that by the time later shipments arrive a few days after the first, the initial shipments will be up and running with their new owners. This would make it hard to know their real network hash footprint.
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-EDIT- Price = 350 If anyone is looking for EVGA 1070 FTWs , I am passing mine along for 350 each INCLUDING shipping. We'd need to use a trusted member for escrow, and I'll ship to lower 48 using a standard carrier with signature delivery confirmation. One thing to be aware of is that these 1070s have a higher core clock and max power limit than the usual 1070s, and take 2 x 6+2 input cables for power. They have the original packaging and antistatic bags and are all in good working order and running fine. I have used ebay in the past but like many am getting away from it--my feedback is here: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cbebpc-dolvjcp0uiThere are up to 7 cards available and I can take payment in eth, btc, or ltc at the conversion rate at time of sale, and open to escrow suggestions from senior members. PM me if interested. |
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Looks like Batch 2 is avail..
Shipping: August 24th- Sep.4th
$1520
They must be getting low on availability for the june delivery..
Yes, I'm waiting for another buy 1 get 4 free  |
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Do you mean a new mining ap for a specific algo, or a mining OS like SMOS or Hive? Either way, I would think that there would have to be some extreme need to shell out money for a new one since so many are around.
Probably they would also make more in Dev fees from a successful miner or OS than any individual could pay them up front.
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Asics would be fine if they weren't a) the product of a monopoly and b) used in secret, driving up difficulty for everyone, before being repackaged and sold.
As for risk, what many people don't seem to understand is that they are figuring their ROI for the ASIC based on CURRENT--I repeat CURRENT--difficulty. Each new batch of 10,000, or 20,000, or whatever is released into the wild the difficulty will go up, earnings go down, and ROI extends.
I just saw an old Scrypt ASIC on Open Bazaar that did 20 MH/s or something--it would make about 18 cents a day now, but at the time it was released, was the cream of its crop.
GPUs get outdated to, but you can mine much more widely with them, sell them, and NVIDIA CUDA architecture is also in demand for rendering, ML, and such. And of course if FPGAs are to be the apex predator of the next generation, one has to think about saving for them instead.
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Thank you for sharing those meeting minutes. I saw something on twitter about this, but it's much better to be able to read it for myself. What they are discussing is mostly over my head but I'm encouraged that they are seriously looking into this. Of course--Oh God A Girl was in the RVN Discord earlier and said she thought they were at least receptive. I think the key is that much of the work is already done, and the IfDefElse team is prepared to tailor it to them so they don't have to expend too many resources. |
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To add--BBT's live stream recording w/ OGAG in chat is here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/262095416Even if Eth ignores it some other ethash coins have expressed interest, a good sign less than 24 hours after release |
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