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541  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Electrum lite GUI on: July 05, 2012, 04:12:40 PM
How about this?



flatfly, fixed.
542  Other / MultiBit / Re: MultiBit on: July 05, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
I wasn't able to get it to work on Linux Sad I'm not too familiar with Java but it just didn't start up.
543  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Electrum lite GUI on: July 05, 2012, 01:48:50 PM
The problem with moving the balance:

- Click the label
- Type stuff inside the amount field

See what happens. You lose that functionality with it in the titlebar.
544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs. the Banks on: July 05, 2012, 05:25:45 AM
Banks are some of the scummiest and dishonest organisations around. Money laundering, market manipulation, anti-competitive practices and obscene dishonesty are their call sign. They are in bed with mafioso and Russian oligarchs.

Also you don't really hate banks until you've been forced to deal with them for 2 years of your life. Say for instance, if you run a Bitcoin exchange. They are absolute trash, retarded backwards systems run by idiots, retards and dickheads.

I go every so often to financial conferences. All I see around me are dumbasses in suits. I always wonder how the fuck they are getting paid so much for doing so little. They are soooo stupid. And they are obsessed with fads. Once one banker spouts a meme, it becomes a mad rage. Maybe the meme-originator will write a book with a fancy title and then be invited to every banker conference in existence for eternity while little bankers spout the same recycled, repackaged and redundant memes until another charlatan comes along. The current memes are: the cashless society (that would be horrible) and mobile payments (to the max).

They never really get Bitcoin because it is so outside of their reality. They can only have it related in terms of concrete things, and lack the ability to think abstractly. Men of the system, bound by regimentation and schedules, robotic tin-headed men of shiny simple things and boring blaa blaa are opposite to the Bitcoiner type. The Bitcoiner type is more like the conspiracy theorist who believes all people are secretly full of cynicism, hate, ... or a romantic imaginer of distant lands, worlds and eternity and genuinely wants to liberate mankind from the haughty shackles of poverty and disempowerment, or even a curious mind who sees growth-potential in a booming economy and is playfully along for the ride (and hey, maybe some profit Smiley). To an extent I guess we're all parts of those in different doses.
545  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Minimal Electrum builds for Windows XP & 7 on: July 05, 2012, 12:05:27 AM
Thanks for the tutorial.
I'd prefer to use electrum with TOR.

Agree, that would be great...

If you setup a TOR hidden service then we can see how easy it is, and try to set it up. A TCP Stratum server running over Tor.

I'm guessing it should be trivial (hopefully).
546  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Electrum lite GUI on: July 05, 2012, 12:01:20 AM
Code:
[deafboy@Planetexpress ~]$ sudo pip install http://ecdsa.org/electrum/Electrum-0.61.tar.gz#md5=9b87fd3fa4c4dae5efa896e9b0d6d51c
[sudo] password for deafboy:
Downloading/unpacking http://ecdsa.org/electrum/Electrum-0.61.tar.gz#md5=9b87fd3fa4c4dae5efa896e9b0d6d51c
  Downloading Electrum-0.61.tar.gz (227Kb): 227Kb downloaded
  Running setup.py egg_info for package from http://ecdsa.org/electrum/Electrum-0.61.tar.gz#md5=9b87fd3fa4c4dae5efa896e9b0d6d51c
   
Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade): slowaes in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages (from Electrum==0.61)
Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade): ecdsa in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages (from Electrum==0.61)
Installing collected packages: Electrum
  Found existing installation: Electrum 0.60
    Uninstalling Electrum:
      Successfully uninstalled Electrum
  Running setup.py install for Electrum
    changing mode of build/scripts-2.7/electrum from 644 to 755
   
    changing mode of /usr/local/bin/electrum to 755
Successfully installed Electrum
Cleaning up...
[deafboy@Planetexpress ~]$ electrum
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/electrum", line 143, in <module>
    import electrum.gui_lite as gui
ImportError: No module named gui_lite
[deafboy@Planetexpress ~]$

OK this should be fixed now if you wanna test.
547  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Electrum lite GUI on: July 04, 2012, 11:19:15 PM
Interesting. I guess 2. is a problem then.

A tooltip might not be immediately obvious. I changed it to "Copy My Address" but that seems a bit wordy. Try it out and tell me what you think.

I'm thinking maybe a small popup should appear over the button with the address and some text saying "Your bitcoin address for receiving funds has been copied to your clipboard!". I'm wondering if a minimal/small popup that closes by itself might still be sacrificing usability and quickness by increasing the number of clicks. But certainly now there isn't enough "feedback" as to the action that's just happened.

I'm glad the SSL thing isn't a bother. Saves me a tiny bit of effort Smiley
548  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 04, 2012, 09:54:58 PM
bitcoinBull, OK, take it up with Patrick. I'm just retelling a story.

No, you take it up with Patrick. You're the one who works with him. Get your story straight before retelling it. Two people of a three-person company should be be communicating better.

I did. I told you what I know happened. You said no. I said OK, fine ask Patrick.
549  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 04, 2012, 08:07:39 PM
bitcoinBull, OK, take it up with Patrick. I'm just retelling a story.
550  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 04, 2012, 08:06:10 PM
about forum PMs - please email the address. Getting too many messages and need them all in one place.
551  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 04, 2012, 11:13:03 AM
~35% of claimants are marked accurate
~86% of total funds are marked accurate
~25% of total funds have been repaid

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[12:45:25] Amir Taaki: if we spend a whole day doing claims over skype
[12:45:33] Amir Taaki: we can maybe finish 50 of them in a day
[12:46:14] Incitatus: dude I have so many lined up for patrick to do
[12:46:21] Incitatus: where all the work is done
[12:46:49] Incitatus: he spent from friday to monday working on trying to automate withdraws
[12:47:04] Amir Taaki: i can do withdrawals
[12:47:14] Amir Taaki: we need those bitcoinica payments out
[12:47:16] Incitatus: you can build code to automate it?
[12:47:19] Amir Taaki: no
[12:47:19] Incitatus: you can't do withdraws
[12:47:47] Incitatus: everythign you touch that has to do with money blows up in our face
[12:48:08] Incitatus: we cannot fuck up
[12:48:12] Amir Taaki: ok
[12:49:47] Incitatus: looks like a good article
[12:49:53] Incitatus: can't read it now
[12:58:56] Amir Taaki: so what's happening with bitcoinica payments?
[12:59:05] Amir Taaki: why doesn't patrick give you some mtgox USD?
[12:59:58] Amir Taaki: i see lots of claims marked as accurate though. very nice.
[13:02:06] Incitatus: yea idk, too busy i guess. As long as mtgox wouldn't lock my account down then that would be cool but that's very possible. Techinically we'd have to get permission i think that's why
[13:02:23] Incitatus: but yea there are many that patrick himself has to do and we're just waiting on that
[13:02:26] Incitatus: obv he's uber busy
(about blow ups, I am careless/irresponsible and not security conscious - hence I don't have admin root access on Intersango.)

Zhou is totally correct in what he says. We (Bitcoin Consultancy) have taken on responsibility for the payments. In order to do that, we had to complete the paperwork for the formation of Bitcoinica Consultancy. He's also not directly involved, but has been helpful with the odd query when needed (despite not being involved).

About converting the balances: if you prefer USD, then you can specify it on your payments option for the claims.
552  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Electrum lite GUI on: July 03, 2012, 07:40:19 PM
Nice job, genjix!

Here's some quick feedback from me (as a Win XP user):

- I like the size of this GUI. Very nice for casual/mainstream users.

I do have a couple of bug reports & suggestions:

 1. Not sure if this is a Windows-only problem, but when launching Electrum for the 1st time after a cold boot, the balance in the lite GUI stays stuck on 0
     (not on subsequent runs, though.)

 2. The Copy Address button seems to copy a random address if clicked right after launching the app
     Do we really need that button anyway? IMHO, it's taking valuable space and doesn't seem that useful to me.

 3. Is it critical to use HTTPS to get the exchange rate? The reason I'm asking is that the resulting Windows
    stand-alone executable would get significantly bigger if I have to include ssl.py and its dependencies.
    It would be around 7+ MB rather than 5.9MB without it. This kind of thing could matter when targeting
    the Windows audience.
 
 4. Hopefully the theme/icons/colors are not final as they could be a lot more polished IMHO.

1. yeah I noticed this. Will have to fix it. (edit: fixed this)
2. But then how will you get your receiving address?
3. I see. Let me investigate this. Thanks for letting me know.
4. Software always looks pretty crude initially. We'll have to fine-tune it as we go along. Perfection is a journey. But I definitely want to have it be eye-candy.
553  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Electrum lite GUI on: July 03, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
Great job! Donation (Bacon) will come ;-)

How can i import an address in the lite Client?

Thanks Smiley 1LDjY9hJs7eFaL8z9vGVXD2spDEPb5oeX3

You cannot import an address. You must do it in expert mode by clicking the bottom left arrow.
554  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 03, 2012, 07:27:39 PM
... It is a net loss considering I'm worth $50+ per hour. I charge $200 per hour for consulting work, and here I am spending 20 mins at a time researching claims and answering emails for sums less than $10. ...
Is there something/anything you could outsource by hiring someone ?
...
I think there is a sense of scale missing.  This is like paying 1000$ to fix a problem with 5 000 000$ in collateral damage.
Deepwater Horizon come to mind.
Could you explain this further ?
Im under the impression this is a HUGE problem..
How will hiring help, not help ?
Let's collectively pay Donald / Genjix something better than an old laptop to work on this.
Hire someone to feed and towel wash him while he's working on this 19h/24.
Hire mercenaries to hunt that hacker and recover that DB !!!

Sorry I lack imagination, but it's not like money's missing we're all loosing money every days that passes.  What's missing IMO is someone in charge giving a fuck.

Yes, I work for way below my pay bracket on Bitcoin stuff. Point is that I wouldn't be living like a pauper if I had scammed lots of money. You can check my entire history since 2003 on the internet, and you'll see that I've been working on Free/OpenSource software as a dayjob for 10 years. Those jobs pay far less than proprietary/normal commercial jobs and it's always a struggle. I've never been money oriented or concerned with earning money.

Don't believe what I'm saying? Then google my name 'Amir Taaki' or my nickname 'genjix'. Several times I was living as a squatter, homeless or living out of a backpack. All my programming history is on OpenSource projects.

Also there's many people who can say what my true character is like:

My CouchSurfing page: http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/genjix
Hackathon I organised: http://crystalspace3d.org/main/La_Fibra_hackfest_report (most of those people are on IRC)

Here's a picture from 2008, when I was still a leftist. I was always against greed, but at the time did not understand economics. That control of money is another form of fascism.



My other pics for anyone who wants to play detective: http://www.flickr.com/photos/genjix/

Here's some writing of mine before getting into Bitcoin: https://n-1.cc/pg/blog/read/44422/jb
https://n-1.cc/pg/blog/read/44421/fss

You can decide yourself whether I am a scammer. A scammer would not be posting here. Also if you read some of the forum posts, some people say they were answered by email that they are accurate, and some were told they were at the end of the queue. A scammer would tell everyone they are marked accurate.

Now it is slow, but the data is incredibly bad. But at the very worst, payouts will be completed within 2 months (or at least the large significant portion of them done). We only have the funds for the site. Mistakes that get made will cost people real money. Mistaken payments will not be refunded (hence the 50% first solution).

I'm inviting people to dug up dirt on me because there is none.

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Tihan has also offered up his personal details.
I'm interested in having this.

Show me the police report. I'd rather not give people's personal details in public.
555  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 03, 2012, 06:41:30 PM
Less than 10% of the claims to a point of less than 50% is less than 5% of the total problem addressed. And you are concerned about "making mistakes"? You are still in the statistical deviation fussiness around the issue at 5%, you haven't even begun to fix the problem. At the speed your poor solitary trooper is struggling through this moral swamp of who is being honest and who isn't, who has a reputation or who doesn't, you should get around to beginning to look at refunding the UNDISPUTED US$ accounts sometime in August 2015. With another 3 years to resolve that cluster-fuck you might be out of this right around December 2019.

Nice work! Bravo for the effort! So glad the saviors came along to make this thing all better!

Considering that the base value of ALL underlying bitcoins that you are holding has increased by almost 55% since this theft began, you could comfortably pay out at this level for decades, stringing along the customers that you have scammed, and never touch the principal you hold. Hell, those thousands and thousands of US$ will be increasing at a steady rate too! What a clever routine you boys have worked up here.

I didn't scam anyone. Say how you expect people to be refunded without a database.

We're trying the best we can.

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I am amazed that anyone in this community still listens to a single word from you gangsters. There is absolutely nothing that you have done or said that is anything less than classic textbook scamming. You have lied in reaction to every question, you have mis-directed, re-directed or just fallen off the face of the earth whenever the heat gets turned up. Nobody knows yet who actually is responsible for this disaster, and you seem to pop out another name for the penultimate responsible party every other week, and yet there is always some murky uber-mensch who tells you all what to do based on ethical/moral/legal considerations, although nothing you do reflects anything like ethical, moral or legal behavior. Amazing.

It's a wonder that you don't have the villagers clamoring for a lynching right now, but I guess the promise of a few miserable pennies on the dollar sometime in the next decade is enough to mollify your victims. Sad. Truly sad that polished scammers like this whole set-up flourish here. If there is anything that will kill off bitcoin as a concept- it is the thieving bastards like Bitcoinica. I don't believe for a second that there was any kind of hack here, this stinks like a set-up to pull a huge amount of capital out of the "market" sit on it and make gains while everyone runs around like chickens with their heads cut off, throw your little programmer Zhou off the Island and steal his work, while turning him into a pariah in the community, so that you can paint yourselves as White Knights.

You sicken me.

Point me to one question where I lied. I've been around all the time, posting answers to questions and answering emails. Also I give the full story as it happened in the OP. Your story is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

As I said, if someone wants to sue then I'll provide my name and details for the police report. No one has taken that offer yet. We are happy to open our books to the relevant authorities. Tihan has also offered up his personal details. We have not acted maliciously once.

Currently I have 200 emails. A scammer would not bother answering and looking up people's claims for them. I also would not be using a crappy IBM Thinkpad T61 if I wasn't short on cash. Our conduct before Bitcoinica has been nothing but exemplary (point me to an occasion where it wasn't), and we've always operated with utmost honesty.

But I guess there is no other way to convince you otherwise, so it is a pointless discussion as you've already made up your mind.

@Transisto, I did say it was a slow process. And actual payouts only begun 2 weeks ago (see the OP). We had to sort out the legal issues with Tihan (who has legal control over the funds), create a claims system, organise all the data and start the process. This isn't something you do in 3 days, but 2 weeks. Consider that it 2 months of legal negotiation with Bitcoinica as to our role we would be taking, and when the hack happened, we we still completing the ownership transfer:

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20:42 <phantomcircuit> tihan isn't like an employee
20:43 <phantomcircuit> he's a middleman
20:43 <phantomcircuit> a finder
20:43 <phantomcircuit> im guessing this huge mess is why he wont be working with him anymore
20:45 <genjix> however you dealt more with tihan, so you know more about everything
20:46 <genjix> i really haven't followed the events, nor read much of the email exchange between donald and tihan
20:48 <phantomcircuit> afaict this is effectively a series of decisions that were made in good faith which were unfortunately poorly thought out
20:48 <phantomcircuit> wendon bought bitcoinica in like october and knew immediately that there were problems
20:48 <phantomcircuit> they went to the coinlabs people but they weren't able to help or reneged on the deal or something i dont know the specifics
20:49 <phantomcircuit> when we got involved in what was it like march? they had been operating for months without a major overhaul
20:50 <phantomcircuit> the paperwork was wrong and tihan was rushing because i think he realized how fucked the situation really was
20:50 <phantomcircuit> then at the worst possible moment the hack happened
556  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Electrum lite GUI on: July 03, 2012, 02:32:45 PM
Looks very nice.

When Electrum responds to bitcoin URI requests, does it show the 'lite' mode ?

yes, unless you specify otherwise.
557  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: July 03, 2012, 02:21:16 PM
Just installed .61....

Code:
$ electrum
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/electrum", line 143, in <module>
    import electrum.gui_lite as gui
ImportError: No module named gui_lite

What am I missing?

Oh, I did not add it to the setup/install system. Testing/fixing now.
558  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Electrum lite GUI on: July 03, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
Current version:




========

Hi,

Electrum has a new lite-mode GUI. The normal expert-mode is available when clicking the expand button in the bottom right.

I'm interested in feedback people have:



* Entering a number in the amount field will show the conversion amount.
* Clicking the balance label changes the currency between USD/GBP/EUR.
* Click the bottom left button to show the normal 'expert-mode' GUI.
* Address box has text completion for address book entries.

Currently only 1 account exists (top left button) called "Checking". Multiple accounts will be added in the next release.

-----------

Looking for feedback. Lots of design work went into this. My old design notes are pasted below (much of it is on paper). I eventually dropped the system tray concept as it's rapidly falling out of favour in desktops. If you look at the dock concept being adopted by Mac, Windows 7 and Ubuntu, then there is this movement towards having a single place where a program runs. Clicking an app to restore it (from minimised state) or start it up (from closed state) has no big distinction. Electrum with its quick startup times fits this kind of model for users. There should be little functional difference between closing or minimising Electrum to your dock.

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Hi,

We met at the metalab hackerspace where I was discussing plans for a
Bitcoin UI.

Based on the design notes of that session, I have gone and written a
mockup in Qt.

My guess for users is that they typically send more frequently than they
receive. You maybe purchase a number of Bitcoins in bulk from an exchange
and then spend them on smaller sites/donations.

Rated in order of importance:
- Send bitcoins
- Check balance
- Get your address to receive donations
- Manage your addresses (not very important)

Based on this, we have functionality which is important and then less
important. Each one of these 'actions' is highly separate from the others
and so it makes sense to split them into separate dialogs:
http://i46.tinypic.com/jj1v2x.png

Main / most important action here = Send

Send - send bitcoins and quick glance of the user's balance:
http://i45.tinypic.com/168y2ir.png

I made two mockups here. I'm just unsure how to nicely show the balance
without it looking forced or out of place. Also I feel like the balance
should maybe get more emphasis to encourage the behaviour of the user to
use this as a place to check their balance. Maybe it is not obvious to the
first time user that this is a place they can check their balance?

"Copy Address" opens no dialogs. It silently copies your bitcoin address
to your clipboard.

"History" shows the list of transactions like:
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/d/df/Spesmilo_esperanto.png
(old app I made)

"Settings" is the usual things.

Now it is possible to have multiple "accounts" (wallets in bitcoin speak)
for people to logically separate their funds. I was thinking to either
make a new entry on the right click system tray menu called "Manage
Accounts" or throw it inside Settings. I'm erring towards the latter right
now.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Old screenshots:


559  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: July 03, 2012, 02:08:49 PM
Hi,

Electrum is now at the beta candidate before we make a release for general use.

Please beta test.

*** We have a new Czech translation (CS) thanks to 1byte! ***

New lite GUI on by default. This is for convenience and simplicity to allow you to use Bitcoin while doing other tasks like web-browsing. Electrum targets beginner users, and we want to streamline everything as much as possible from install, and startup to use. Bitcoin clients should be small and uncomplicated.



* Entering a number in the amount field will show the conversion amount.
* Clicking the balance label changes the currency between USD/GBP/EUR.
* Click the bottom left button to show the normal 'expert-mode' GUI.
* Address box has text completion for address book entries.

Currently only 1 account exists (top left button) called "Checking". Multiple accounts will be added in the next release.

Design notes can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91339.0

#electrum on Freenode IRC
560  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 03, 2012, 01:27:52 PM
Sorry about the email.

@ssaCEO, I don't have a way to search for USD payments but I see at least 2 people with their USD payments paid back. I assume there's more. However USD payments are slower since Donald doesn't have direct access to them (goes through a second person).
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