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681  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New bitcoin.org Clients page on: May 02, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
Next up would be a page for mobile / web wallets, maybe?
+1
I think also that there must be a page/section dedicated to web wallets and another one to mobile clients.

Yep. 'Web Wallets' sounds good.

I'm not sure about a mobile section since that can be represented using the platform icons; for instance Electrum has an android client - would that get another entry for mobile clients?
682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New bitcoin.org Clients page on: May 02, 2012, 11:11:43 AM
Thanks Mike, I updated the page with your descriptions. Although I do agree that the Electrum text is inaccurate - it's not user friendly *yet*, not because its core focus is technical people. I did move MultiBit first because your reasons were solid. I can agree that Electrum has a problem with distribution (no packages, difficult/obscure install instructions for most, random win32 builds from forum). Armory is not much better in that regards, so I used a coinflip to select their order Smiley

If anyone wants to test, then add this to your hosts file:

176.31.24.241    bitcoin.org

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A key concept for the health of a decentralised system is variety. Variety
leads to a richness of characteristics that allow a system to remain
resilient to attack. A good analogy is that of a species, where having a
wild contrast in genetics, doesn't expose that species to any one specific
weakness and limits the effect that a disease can cause. Likewise, Bitcoin
gains an immunity from attack by having contrasting clients that approach
specific problems in different ways.

For all the complaining about centralisation on this forum, people sure seem to be fighting my efforts to promote alternative clients, to avoid promoting a strong exchange competitor by continuing to trade on MtGox and to avoid getting involved with development (bitcoin library with Python bindings is out there). We should not be pushing something because it is simply the path of least resistance, but instead pushing the hard path which is more rewarding and satisfying in the long run - a truly decentralised cryptocurrency which is free from control and corruption.

This is the end goal of bitcoin.org:

http://bittorrent.org/

BitTorrent is what I would call a decentralised piece of software driven by merit. The BitTorrent client marketplace is highly competitive and diverse.

Here's the front page:



Clients page:

683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New bitcoin.org Clients page on: May 01, 2012, 11:59:09 AM

I'm not familiar with this space so I didn't add them. Best to add them after.
Why is it best to add them after ? after what by the way?

@genjix

Please include paytunia among the ewallet option even if some people are reluctant to do so because they see us as their competitors.
Bitcoin.org until now is not a self promotion tool but is meant to be a neutral source of information for the bitcoin community.
By the way, it should be localized : I would like to edit a French version of it (I know you will like the idea;o)).

Sure, can you give me a 250x200 picture, a 400 char max description and the website? Please keep the description neutral sounding and focused. I didn't put it because I don't own a phone and haven't tried Paytunia nor kept up with mobile developments Smiley Not because of any political thing.

BTW if you want to write a BitcoinMedia about it then give me an email.

Two questions: is it open-source? Does it store people's keys (wallet) locally on the device?
684  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New bitcoin.org Clients page on: May 01, 2012, 08:59:29 AM
OK, I'll try to respond to comments

I think either layout is fine. But what I have a stronger opinion on is the terminology used on that page.

When a new Bitcoin-user arrives on that page (a non-techie), he will think the following:
1) "What the hell is a "graphical interface" and how does that relate to Bitcoin"
2) "Are all these softwares equivalent? Do they serve the same purpose? Do I need one or several of them?"
3) "Which one is the official client?"

To solve these questions, I propose the following:
1) Change the "Graphical Interface" title to "Bitcoin Client Software"

Done.

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2+3) Create little blub under the heading, saying "Below you will find several leading Bitcoin clients. Any of them will work for all basic Bitcoin functionality. Bitcoin-Qt is the original software, and if you're unsure which one to use, you should default to Bitcoin-Qt."  <-- I'd also append this last sentence to the beginning of the Bitcoin-Qt description. The current sentence "Bitcoin Qt is the frontend for the original code written by Satoshi" will be confusing/meaningless to any non-techie  Wink

Great idea to get these clients on that page!!

The front page recommends Bitcoin-Qt and offers it as download (like currently on bitcoin.org).


Let's not list other clients until we are assured they can (a) properly handle a block chain reorg and (b) properly handle BIP16 transactions, and do not have otherwise glaring usability or security issues that prevent mainstream endorsement and use.



This is FUD. Electrum relies on libbitcoin which is BIP16 compliant and handles blockchain reorgs fine. Armory depends on bitcoind. MultiBit is based on BitCoinJ which is well tested in many clients and more than 1 year old.

FWIW, here is a picture of my original suggestion, that should IMO still be open for voting on:

I like this the best. It's similar to Wikipedia "Comparison of x" articles, which is a format people are already familiar with. It'd need some explanatory text at the top and ideally info about every feature, though.

it probably needs more explanation than all the other texts combined. strongly vote against this one.

Indeed...  IMO new users will just be bewildered by all that info.



Yeah, I agree with this. Also it's too restrictive a format for projects. There's no meaningful way to compare them really. I think name, pic, website, description is best.

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Armory is security-oriented and targets the high end of the user base

I am not sure this language helps any.

"Security-oriented" means little more than that the other clients have security issues, or that the other clients are for people who don't mind their money getting stolen.  Not likely the intended message.

"High end" doesn't mean anything useful.  Is someone who does a lot of transactions "high end"?  Someone who has a lot of money and carries a Gucci purse needs their bitcoin client to be shiny?  Perhaps it has better support for multi-party transactions?  These advantages would be better conveyed with more specific language.

Descriptions aren't final. They are just temporary place-holders. People would submit their own after. This is just pedantry.

Why not have both?  The easy to read one on top.  Luke's version underneath.

Redundant.

Great!

I agree with comments. Dont call it graphical user interface.
It has to be a text for everyone.

Changed this to 'Bitcoin Client Software'

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I like Luke JR suggestion but it should be on another page such as "comparison table" or something and needs some explainations.
The installer time 2hours, should maybe be called something else.

Sound like it takes 2 hours to install.

I also think the official clients should have a mark such as

Bitcoin QT

"official client"

http://bittorrent.org/

I'm strongly against terms like "official" and prefer "recommended". Who designates the designations. It is against the spirit of a decentralised software to have terms like "official".

If you're worried about usability then figure that most new users are not downloading a client but using services like InstaWallet or an actual wallet website.

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There must be Android and Iphone clients such as Bitcoin spinner and others.
I see them as cruzial to get Bitcoin popular.
People allways carry their phones and they are super easy to use.

FWIW, here is a picture of my original suggestion, that should IMO still be open for voting on:

Why is Paytunia not listed as an ewallet ? It's secure and operated by payment software professionals with over 20 years combined experience.
For most new non-technical users, ewallets are going to be the easiest option.
ewallets enable thin mobile clients. Paytunia on android is one of the most reliable mobile client, without the need for the user to backup embedded keys.

Bitcoin brings about a new freedom (freedom of operating one's own downloaded wallet) but it does not remove an existing freedom (freedom of choosing a service provider when it makes sense, like for mobile use).

I'm not familiar with this space so I didn't add them. Best to add them after.
685  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / New bitcoin.org Clients page on: April 30, 2012, 07:33:53 PM



Both have their pros and cons. The vertical list allows bigger images and more text. Second one is more conducive to easy reading (less horizontal scanning and descriptions are shorter).

Thx for reading
686  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: libbitcoin on: April 30, 2012, 09:06:54 AM
same problem here with GCC4.7 Tongue

GCC 4.7 has a bug in it. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4940259/c11-lambdas-require-capturing-this-to-call-static-member-function

I need to get around to installing that compiler and adding a workaround for that. GCC 4.6 is fine.

No idea why Linux distributions like Arch are including an unstable compiler!!
687  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Chateau deCrypto, aka LABIA (Ladies and Bitcoin in Arms) on: April 30, 2012, 08:43:16 AM
http://bitcoinmedia.com/sex-and-the-bitcoin/
688  Economy / Goods / Re: #bitcoin-fishmonger on Freenode!! - The best place to trade Seafood for Bitcoin! on: March 20, 2012, 10:58:59 AM
cool. can ya pop a shrimp on the barby for me cunt. i gotta hop on skippy and bounce down to the local for a stella
689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: March 2012 BitCon in San Antonio, Texas - News Thread on: March 20, 2012, 01:47:54 AM
next year will be bigger and better for sure. up and up! gl high five at pulling it off
690  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Algorithmic money: Bitcoin needs a buzzword and own lexicon on: March 19, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
Quote by Nick Szabo who made bit gold, one of the fore-runners to bitcoin:

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And what's up with the term "cryptocurrency"? What is it supposed to mean? Cryptography is used to protect payments systems as radically different as credit cards, Chaumian digital cash, and Bitcoin. The term encourages the popular but profoundly naive view of Bitcoin as merely another form of digital cash.
691  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: libbitcoin on: March 17, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
client with a single private key, http://gitorious.org/libbitcoin/libbitcoin/blobs/master/tests/crap/main.cpp
(bad hackjob code for testing)
692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Biggest Threat to Bitcoin: The New American NSA Datacenter on: March 17, 2012, 04:57:29 PM
I use 4096 bits for everything, so I'm fine.
693  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: March 17, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
Broke artists dressed in drag making rap videos invest in bitcoin? They are begging for donations. I hardly think of them as an investor. No, the message they give out for the minimal cost they accrue (supported by voluntary patronage) is fantastic! I'm super happy they are making such high quality videos for really cheap AND accepting bitcoins.

Or would you prefer them to sing about Celebrity and Starbucks and instead those bitcoin donations they got, instead go towards speculation on MtGox and paying MagicalTux's debt (which he still hasn't paid back to many). I think this is a great use of bitcoins (funding culture and the internet), and the main reason I got into it. It demonstrates to an outside audience that bitcoin is more than drugs, paedophiles, money laundering and organised crime. Bitcoin is world changing, and Juice Rap New's lyrics echo the world changing sentiments of these times.

I cannot think of a better use for bitcoins possible now.
694  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rap News / The Juice Media accepts bitcoin donations! on: March 17, 2012, 09:03:49 AM
Sure, good idea. I changed their article.
695  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rap News / The Juice Media accepts bitcoin donations! on: March 17, 2012, 06:55:31 AM
Damn, you people are fast. Maybe the OP wants to update with their statement:
http://bitcoinmedia.com/juice-rap-news-joins-bitcoins-struggle/

I contacted them a year ago about Bitcoin & Free (as in Freedom!) OpenSource Software, and sending them emails about all these things every so often. I wanted them to mention OpenSource Software in one of their videos since it's related & cool (people around the world joining together to build gigantic systems).

They messaged me a few days ago about Bitcoin, saying that I wasn't the only one bugging them Smiley Niiice.
696  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: March 17, 2012, 06:49:04 AM
Bitcoin Media: Juice Rap News joins Bitcoin’s struggle

"Juice Rap News relies heavily on viewer support and is fortunate to receive donations from people all around the world – it helps us to remain completely independent.

Most donations, however, come to us via PayPal (booo), and since the illegal banking blockade on WikiLeaks, in which PayPal still participates, we have become more and more uncomfortable with this situation. Over the past year we have also been receiving regular and sometimes rather insistent emails asking why on earth we were not accepting Bitcoin donations. (“Do you accept them?! If not, will you?” – is one of the latest)."

By Giordano & Hugo (JuiceRapNews)
697  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: March 16, 2012, 05:51:20 PM
Bitcoin Media: The Brave New World of Mobile Payment

"The recent MobileMoneyAfrica Summit showed impressively just how far ahead Africa is compared to the developed world when it comes to mobile payment. Of necessity, of course: Mobile phones are ubiquitous there, but only a minority of Africans hold a bank account. There are already serious efforts under way to create a truly cashless society. Very predictably, many western companies are rushing in to partake in this market. Most successful so far is Vodafone’s implementation, called M-Pesa."

By Ruediger Koch (anu)
698  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Iran and SWIFT on: March 16, 2012, 10:27:52 AM
http://bitcoinmedia.com/irans-dire-straits/
699  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2012- London | ANNOUNCEMENT sponsorship on: March 16, 2012, 10:11:19 AM
We have made progress in looking for a venue but want to check out all possible venues to be sure we pick the best place. We had identified about 50 venues at least to look at. Hopefully we will have a confirmation by the end of the month. There is also some negotiation taking place.

We found a trendy upscale loft which looked cool Cheesy but not so much of a conference venue, more for private parties for celebrities.

We want to get a place for 500, but it's difficult finding for that range. Most venues are 200, then a few 300, a huge gap and then places for 2000+ (big warehouses). Still gotta keeps searching and find somewhere nice.
700  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Intersango Support - slow transfers.. on: March 15, 2012, 09:15:59 PM
Lol... i tried to transfer 40 EUR from Germany to my Intersango Account. Result: My bank account locked.
The Bank says that the Intersango account was used for illegal transactions and fraud activities before and that it is therefore under an embargo. They canceled my transaction and locked my own bank account. Just in case a trojan horse or a phishing website had taken it over.

Any similar experiences?

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Patrick Strateman: yeah not surprising
Patrick Strateman: i dont think it's actual fraud
Patrick Strateman: but rather people report the transaction as fraudulent after the payment
Patrick Strateman: effectively scamming their bank

So your bank is being cautious.
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