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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: Today at 02:49:37 AM
For all your encryption needs, I highly recommend VeraCrypt. The continuation of the highly successful TrueCrypt project, it's free, open-source, and thoroughly tried and tested. The "open-source" part is especially important, and is considered a requirement for an encryption product that's worth your time and trust, as a closed-source product may have backdoors that no one can detect.

Need to store data on the cloud, but worried about others having access to it or the cloud server getting hacked? Simple! Just create an encrypted VeraCrypt container, put all your sensitive data in there, and then store the container file itself in the cloud. No one can access your files without the container passphrase, which only you will know.

Hash: SHA512

This is VeraCrypt's Warrant Canary.

- -----------

VeraCrypt developers state the following:

1. The date of issue of this canary is December 31st, 2019.

2. VeraCrypt main signing key is used to sign this canary. Its ID is
0x680D16DE and its fingerprint is

5069 A233 D55A 0EEB 174A 5FC3 821A CD02 680D 16DE

3. No warrants have ever been served to them with regards to the
VeraCrypt Project (e.g. to hand out the private signing keys, or to
introduce backdoors), nor have any searches or seizures taken place.

4. The next such canary statement is planned to be published before
the end of January 2020. Special note should be taken if no new
canary gets published by that time, or if the list of statements
change without plausible explanation.

Disclaimers & Notes
- ---------------------

This scheme is not infallible. Although signing the declaration makes
it very difficult for a third party to produce arbitrary declarations,
it does not prevent them from using force, or other means like
blackmail, or compromise of the signers' laptops, to coerce us to
produce false declarations.

The news feed quoted below (Proof of Date) serves to demonstrate that
this canary could not have been created prior to the date stated. It
shows that a series of canaries were not created in advance.

This declaration is merely a best effort and provided without any
guarantees, warranty, and is not legally binding in any way to
anybody.  None of the signers should be ever held legally responsible
for any of the statements made here.

Proof of Date
- -------------------

As of Tuesday, 31 December 2019 12:14:00 UTC, here are the current headlines:

US embassy in Iraq attacked by protesters angry at air strikes on militia
US forces fire tear gas to disperse a crowd that breached the compound's outer wall.

Carlos Ghosn, Nissan's ex-head, flees Japan to Lebanon
In a statement, Carlos Ghosn said he "escaped injustice" after leaving Japan where he faced a trial.

Australia fires: Military to be deployed to help rescue effort
Aircraft and ships will be sent to New South Wales and Victoria, where thousands fled to the coast.

Sydney mayor defends New Year's fireworks despite protests
Clover Moore said the city's celebrations would "give hope to people" as bushfires rage.

India cold wave: Delhi reels from coldest day in more than a century
The maximum day temperature plummeted to 9.4C on Monday setting a new record for the chilliest day.

Shuri Castle: Appeal for images to 'rebuild' burned site online
The plan hopes to create a virtual 3D version of Japan's Shuri Castle, which was destroyed by fire.

Alabama police apologise for 'insensitive' homeless quilt photo
Two officers taped together cardboard signs begging for money, and posted the photo on Facebook.

What links 2019’s wave of global protests?
Protests in Hong Kong, Chile and the Middle East all shared an online presence which helped connect the movements.

Monsey stabbing: Journals of attacker 'referenced Jews'
Grafton Thomas, accused of attempted murder, also allegedly made references to "Nazi culture".

Huawei feels 'bite of winter' after Trump ban
The firm admits life will be "difficult" after the Trump administration banned the firm in the US.

Cancer patient set on fire during operation in Romania
The woman, who was having an operation for pancreatic cancer, died after suffering severe burns.

Why is Bolivia expelling foreign diplomats?
It is ejecting one ambassador and various other officials following a dramatic confrontation.

Texas church shooting: Gunman killed by churchgoer named
Keith Thomas Kinnunen was shot dead by a churchgoer, after he had killed two of the congregation.

2019 in news: The alternative end-of-the-year awards
- From the ridiculous to the more ridiculous, the weird stories that caught the eye this year.

Citizenship Act protests: Why fear has gripped Muslims in this Indian state
The Muslim community in Uttar Pradesh is living in fear after a new citizenship law came into effect.

China internet: Top talking points of 2019 and how they evaded the censors
- From rebellious numbers to state-backed trends, China's internet was a noisy place in 2019.

Africa's year in pictures 2019
A selection of the best photos from across Africa this year.

Tech 2019: Our biggest technology stories
Social media scandals dominate the list of the most-read news stories by the Tech desk this year.

'Man on the Moon' moment - the year's big breakthroughs
The year of treating the untreatable: 2019 breakthroughs that could transform medicine.

Bushfires in Australia forces thousands to flee to beaches
Residents in Mallacoota try to escape a wall of flames heading towards the coast.

New Zealand fireworks help usher in new decade
Auckland has become the world's first major city to celebrate the start of 2020 with a bang.

Australia bushfire emergency: 'We were all terrified for our lives'
David Jeffrey was among thousands who fled to the beach in Mallacoota as fires approached the town.

'I feel complete' in Uganda - George the Poet
London-born spoken word artist and podcaster George the Poet reflects on belonging, diaspora and his Ugandan heritage before his first gig in the country.

CCTV shows narrow escape from tree in Turkey
No-one has been reported injured after a tree fell on the street.

When Greta Thunberg met Sir David Attenborough
The teenage activist and veteran naturalist talk to each other for the first time (via Skype).

Autism diagnosis: 'I want 40 years of my life back'
People diagnosed with autism in adulthood describe growing up believing they were "bad" or "alien".

The Syrian town with more cats than people
The few remaining inhabitants of a bombed-out Syrian town take comfort from hundreds, perhaps thousands, of cats.

Hunting the missing millions from collapsed cryptocurrency
On the trail of almost half a billion dollars lost when the Wex exchange collapsed in 2018.

The best space images of 2019
With some blockbuster space missions underway, 2019 saw some amazing images beamed back to Earth.

'We can give a lot of the power back to the fans'
How two friends created an online storytelling platform with more than 80 million global users.



That's not a backup. Seen this too many times, people trusting the cloud, then comes a thunderstorm and that specific cloud where your goodies were is blown away (with or without encryption).  Think decentralization!
I used duplicity with free protonmail accounts to backup some important data offsite (additionally to local backups).

I agree thet Veracrypt looks mature, unlike i.e. encfs based things that shouldn't be trusted with important data as its not good enough for that. But it's a nice overview that VB1001 posted, thanks.

Coincidentally i am cloning drives atm.
2  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2020, 04:11:27 AM
Imagine how disappointed they'll be when they figure that they neither have privacy nor their money anymore lol

Well shit I owe you a merit for this.

i gotcha

Thanks. Smiley

You are a scammer

Being a scammer requires a victim. Who have I scammed, somac.? Name the aggrieved party or STFU.

JJG is certainly aggrieved, so there is that. Grin

... how did I miss so many pages !!!!

3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 22, 2020, 03:47:47 AM
I have chosen an exchanger from the list on your official website:
The exchanger turned out to be scam. Remoe it from your recomendation list please.

Threads about the scam are here:

Sorry to hear about this, I've supported your flag and I suggest starting a thread in the Monero subreddit forum pointing to your Scam accusation thread.

Did you write this?
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 21, 2020, 09:04:19 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still going sideways preparing for another assault on $9k I see... currently $8646USD/$11312CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Ho. Hum.

Quote from: “Saifedean Ammous”
“The most subversive thing you can to with bitcoin is saving”

It's a shame but it's absolutely true.

How times change. I guess I'm showing my age but when I was a kid saving was considered a virtue. Usury was a crime. Loan sharks were sleazy gangsters akin to pushers and pimps.

We were advised to save up to buy things we needed. Borrowing to buy things was considered foolish weakness, like drug addiction or gambling. Bank accounts were for saving, not spending. Sure, some payments were made by cheque (i.e. utility bills) but most purchases were made with good clean honest cash.

Bank credit was for businesses, for earning money, not spending it. Individuals borrowed mainly for mortgages or home improvement loans which were themselves a form of business loan. For everything else you saved until you could afford to buy with cash.

Consumer credit was on a small personal level. People would send their kids to the neighborhood grocery store for a few things during the week and the grocer would put them on your tab to be settled up in cash when he delivered your weekly grocery order on Saturday.

Banks paid people to save money which they then lent out to businesses. There were no service charges for regular services like deposits and withdrawals. "Prizes" like toasters or other household appliances were given as inducements to open accounts. No identification was required (nor asked for) to open an account. The fact that you trusted them with your money was enough.

Benjamin Franklin in his wisdom said, "neither borrower nor lender be". How sad that we have allowed ourselves to become wage and debt slaves.

"Hodling" is emancipation.

Your credit score should really be called a "sucker score" because it's a number that exists for only one reason: to tell banks how much money they're going to be able to make off of you. The higher it is, the more of your money goes to them.

That's not how they sell it, of course. They sell it as a metric for determining "credit worthiness". But if you really break down what makes a credit score higher or lower, you'll see that they aren't being honest about what it actually is.

For example, if you're the type of person who doesn't use credit all that much, but can make large purchases and pay them off in a matter of days or weeks, that should be an indicator that you're the most "credit worthy" person on the planet. Right? Shouldn't the people who do that have the highest credit scores?

Nope. You're actually penalized for that, and your credit score goes down. Banks hate you, because you don't carry debt long enough for them to make anything off of you.

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 20, 2020, 07:02:45 PM
Well it's just gone over 0.008....

Not too shabby, eh?  Looking forward to getting back to proper Monero prices again, it's about time.

That's about, ooh 70 bucks in 'old money'.

Well If you all remeber i've been buying back since Alphabay so i'm a little under water on my DCA.

It will be nice to get back to fucking .03 again!

But then I'm still not selling. Cheesy

I learned my lesson the hard way.

So did I, way back - but I just traded and traded to get the average down.  And bought more, which helps if you're under water.  When it did rocket up in 2016, I was sitting pretty.

I hope it works out for you, and I am sure Monero will help, it does look like sooner or later it will break out properly again, it wasn't so long back it was under $40.

Crypto teaches us all the discipline of patience.

If we could get the damn proper payment channels setup and stable then we would have to wait for jack. I'd love to lose fiat totally but i won't do that in lue of a centralized solution ala visa.


BTC crashed from ~$19,500 in Dec. 2017 to ~$14,500 on Jan. 9, 2018. That's the day Monero reached its ATH of $542, or 0.0347 BTC.

It's likely we'll see an altcoin bubble following the next bitcoin bubble again. If Bitcoin were to reach $100K at the top of the next bubble, then crash 25% when altcoin season hits it's pinnacle, one XMR at 0.035 would carry a value of $2,625.

I never notice it got that high, my hopium to just use it and nothing else.

Well BTC is a fine storage medium but for everyday purchases and payments i want Monero.
6  Economy / Reputation / Re: Full List of Corrupted Capwearers & Lauda's Trolls on: January 17, 2020, 09:52:23 PM
Now that I have my cap on i have become a fully indoctrinated drooling believer of the "Corrupted Capwearers" with no will of my own and will follow just like a good little sheeple.
7  Economy / Services / Re: Bitsler Signature & Avatar Campaign (Closing Friday) on: January 17, 2020, 09:49:25 PM
I have been itching to put my Hat on but I am going to wear your sig for the foreseeable future as a thank you for the great job Bitster has done.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: January 17, 2020, 09:47:38 PM
Are they even aware that this speculation is about an unconfirmed rumor? The element containing the information will be censored. No one will be able to verify it. The supporters will be disillusioned.

So the courier dropped off the code to open the .zip file containing the 16,000 addresses = 1.1 million bitcoin. But there is still no access to the seed code which is the private key. And there was a death pump for that and now it's Dash who is pumping (maybe cleaning up?) the outputs......... Frankly, it's very clever to have played with words.

Unfortunately, the curious deliveryman would not have brought the said private keys with him, according to an official document filed with the Court in question by the lawyers defending the Kleiman family.


Thus, the long list contained in a document submitted by Craig Wright to the court in the litigation opposing him to the estate of his late colleague Kleiman, supposedly demonstrating that he finally has - and as long expected - access to the 1.1 million Bitcoin trust, would in reality be a simple list of 16,000 public addresses. Nothing more.  No real access to private keys.
Lawyers flooded the place with mail and documents of all kinds. I wouldn't want to be the one who has to sort through

Or the one that ends up paying for it all. Grin
9  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2020, 09:41:01 PM
Apparently there's 2.1BTC hidden in this picture:

Source Don't forget about me whoever finds it Wink

I saw ETH and XRP and eyes glazed over. fuck that shit.
10  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2020, 09:32:28 PM
Is someone trying to launder money with ZCash or what?!?
Imagine how disappointed they'll be when they figure that they neither have privacy nor their money anymore lol

Well shit I owe you a merit for this.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 17, 2020, 07:34:20 PM
Well it's just gone over 0.008....

Not too shabby, eh?  Looking forward to getting back to proper Monero prices again, it's about time.

That's about, ooh 70 bucks in 'old money'.

Well If you all remeber i've been buying back since Alphabay so i'm a little under water on my DCA.

It will be nice to get back to fucking .03 again!

But then I'm still not selling. Cheesy

I learned my lesson the hard way.
12  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2020, 04:15:20 PM
1000 OZ [of Ag] fits in an ammo can

except that must suck when you think its full of ammo and its got more or less useless silver instead. unless youre defending against werewolves and such?

or the rounds are delivery vehicles for Au. hmmm. new way to transport silver... via ballistic trajectory to the destination. well near it anyway.

Sucks just as bad when what you need is a can of 7.62x39 and you open up to a can of 5.56.

Color coding of cans for quick identification is highly recommended.

Congratulations to our winners!  As a past 1/2 of a double win I can attest that LFC is one class act.

Well you can always just shoot a hole in the can for caliber but grain...

gotta sign off and checkout l8r Dudes and congrats on the Vegeta Day!

13  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
for the record, now it's really over 9000 Smiley

Funny story, there was a time in my life when I was laid up and couldn't reach a keyboard so I used emoji's to communicate. Cheesy
14  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2020, 03:57:51 PM
Just noticed Hueristic is for the first time wearing his cap, in need for enhanced situation Cheesy

I kinda like the WO Retro look. Cheesy
15  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2020, 06:12:21 AM

"In some cases it appears local security forces have held back or simply ignored instances of mob destruction of bank fronts (after all, the police and their families can't access their accounts either)." LOL This video gave me a boner. No homo.

Holy shit, i just laughed my friggin ass off!
16  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Acorn M.2 FPGA based GPU Accelerator-Considering legal action! on: January 17, 2020, 05:49:19 AM
This information all existed in the discord but I wanted to share it with everyone.

So we’ve developed an FPGA accelerator over the past few months in M.2 (same as nVME drives) form factor designed to operate both standalone and in conjunction with GPUs.

The first version to be released has 4x high speed PCIe lanes to communicate between the system/GPUs as well as 512MB or 1GB of onboard DDR3 along with a 100k+ LE or 200k+ LE FPGA of high speed grade. We’ve named it the Acorn, and the three models are the CLE-101, CLE-215, and CLE-215+

General expectation is it will provide performance roughly scaled with price/performance of the VCU1525, but it has a unique role and is not applicable to all of the same algorithms. Its performance in this role is dominated by its interconnect bandwidth and not its processing power.

It is capable of providing up to 30MH of lift to a mining system with GPUs on a hand full of algorithms or operate independently at higher-than-GPU level hashrates for other non-memory intensive algorithms (Keccak, etc). I will be releasing it alongside our mining software and bitstreams to support hybrid GPU acceleration. This project was not developed commercially, it was developed out of a product for my day job for internal use in our own mining systems to give an edge to traditional PCs and gaming systems turned miners.

The accelerator works by streaming high bandwidth hash state between GPUs and the FPGA over PCIe., allowing each piece of hardware to handle the portion of the algorithm it is best at. In general this means memory bandwidth or area heavy portions of the algorithm may be handled by the GPU, and hash algorithms designed for hardware implementations are handled by the FPGA. This approach works for any algorithm whose internal state is 256 bit (60Mh gains) or 512 bit (x16r, Lyra2Rev2, etc.) or smaller. The accelerator supports rapidly reconfiguring its algorithms from on-board DDR to enable handling of per-block or period (TimeTravel10) re-sequencing. It was designed originally to provide performance gains (especially for older GPUs with poor cores) and power savings for ETH by way of offloading the opening and closing Keccak calculations, as well as hash-selection to improve locality of reference for early ETH rounds.

Given the anticipated path of ETH itself regarding POS and other fork possibilities please consider all those things if ETH is your target. It may be the most popular coin for GPUs, that does not mean it is the best use of FPGA or hybrid tech.

I’ve decided to make this hardware available to community at near cost, given all the FPGA interest lately, alongside my belief that broadly available general purpose acceleration hardware at its true market cost (not low volume industry specific dev boards) is the best defense against complete ASIC centralization. You will see this philosophy reflected in my activity around the VCU1525 board as well.

Anticipated pre-order prices of $199 for the CLE-101 512MB variant and $329 on the high end highest speed grade CLE-215+ 1GB DRAM version. On-board power consumption is nominally 15W. It will include a heatsink adequate for this dissipation level with reasonable airflow. It is important to note that to fit the FPGA this adapter is slightly outside of the 2280 M.2 specification, weighing in at 2380. The vast majority of M.2 slots should not have an issue with this.

I am also pursuing making available well priced options for individual PCIe x4 to M.2 M-key host boards (these are broadly available for $10-15), as well as Quad-M.2 PCIe switched and Bifurcated x16 host boards for those who do not have the available M.2 M-Key slots or require up to 240MH of acceleration.

I won’t post exact per algorithm stats or performance until I can do final testing of the actual boards to be shipped with the release hardware/heatsink/thermal management pieces in place, at which point I’ll accept pre-orders. This device requires quite a bit of testing to cover the list of common GPUs, PCIe configurations, and supported algorithms. I have no desire to sell anyone anything not useful to them, or to push a board at all, let alone one based on 3D renders, prototype parts pictures, or choppy YouTube videos, so I believe this full set of data along with final product pictures and overview must be published before I will take any preorders. I am sorry if that tests your patience.

Prototypes exist and I’ve already secured most of the hardware for a first batch so lead time will only be PCB + assembly.

At the time of shipping I will be releasing our internal miner software in closed source form for Windows and Linux that supports GPU only as well as Hybrid acceleration.
You’re also welcome to develop your own bitstreams for the accelerator, and will have all the specifications necessary to do so.

I will also be publishing the interface for the bitstreams so that open source miners that wish to can use the FPGA directly.

We are handling all CE, FCC, RoHS, and other certifications as well as ITAR and export compliance, so we will be able to ship to all non-US embargo’d countries. Taxes and import duties will fall on the purchaser. We will be offering at least a 90 day warranty.

All feedback is welcome. This is not my source of income, nor that of the rest of my team, and we don’t want anyone’s money unless they are happy with what we’re offering. I’m also happy to continue conversations I am already having with coin devs and miner developers on how or if FPGAs fit into their plans for their coin and/or ASIC Resistance strategies. This community is about choice, and I will respect the choices of those teams.

So all I would like from all of you beyond the feedback, is for anyone interested to hit our pre-order registration survey at to help us ensure we’re covering your needs and wants and have all the appropriate hardware secured. Based on that info very detailed performance information and full device photos (spoiler - it looks like an SSD with a heatsink on it!) will be published at the time preorders open, expected in mid-June.

- David


they never demoed a working product accelerating a gpu

Well I think we can plainly see what their word is worth.

I would support a flag on GPUHoarder.

Just the highlighted point is enough to proof the lie.

PM me when there is a TAG.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 17, 2020, 05:44:59 AM
^^^--- Thats it I'm convinced! Grin

I trust BTC, XMR and maybe Grin soon and thats about it.
18  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏈🏈 The Essential NFL Thread 🏈🏈 - new poll every week on: January 17, 2020, 05:35:35 AM
...Emperor Norton to turn in his grave....

Never heard of him but after reading the wiki this is all I can think of to describe his life.

Also never heard of "San Fran" being derisive, why is that?

@Hueristic. There was no KYC on cloudbet 2 years ago when I bet there on the Game of Thrones. However, I lost some bitcoins from those bets. Maybe that was the reason hehehe.

In any case, talk to @Ronnie in Cloudbet thread.

Thanks, I was looking at the promo match and they are requiring 30x.

That seems pretty friggin high to me.
19  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2020, 09:14:15 PM
Well, objectively, the price of both BCH and BSV are higher than BTC's was, just about 5 years ago, or around 2013-ish ... The problem is they might stick around at least another 5 years just because ... reasons.

Presumably when CW fails to sign a message from any address holding large amounts of corn ahead of this final court date on Feb 3rd then BSV, at least, will suffer a massive dump.

It’s his final opportunity to show he’s (lol) Satoshi. You’d think any of his dumb sheep who buy & believe in BSV will start to sell as it plummets.

BSV @ $50 incoming!

Hopefully the court is going to be tough on Craig, but I have my doubts.

Of course, Craig and his legal team is attempting to engage in kinds of delay tactics and even attempt to play some kind of confusing offer of proof, and it might NOT play out too well for Craig if the court realizes the level of his attempting to play the court system.. and they hopefully crack down on him..... but I am suspecting that they are going to be successful to delay.. not sure, but that is my tentative speculation about February 3.

I believe the courts strategy is to keep him in court so that the lawyers can continue to profit from all sides. It's what they do and its a good personal fuck you to Craiggy Boy.
20  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏈🏈 The Essential NFL Thread 🏈🏈 - new poll every week on: January 16, 2020, 05:14:28 PM
Mike Vrabel offered up his package in exchange for a Super Bowl win before the season

Vrabel: As a player.... You guys will be married for 20 years one day. You won’t need it.

Hah, classic!

@Hueristic. Hehehe yes. I have been tempted already on Cloudbet with their better odds.

In any case, fair odds for the Greenbay Packers on +7 and modest value on the Titans +7.5. Derrick Henry is underestimated hehe.

Does Cloudbet do KYC and have you dealt with them before?

My seattle future bit it.  I'm riding on the tennessee bandwagon right now.  Who would have predicted the titans had a shit to go to the superbowl 1 month ago.  I'd like to see them win but man, KC in kc is gonna be tough.  Imagine that road to the superbowl, new england away, baltimore away and kc away lol.  

Yeah, KC is tough I'm not sure at all on this, actually I have no clue this week except I would think GB/SF should be close enough to play the spread and I think KC will either barely lose or win by a landslide and probably the latter but who the fuck knows right now?


Same premise as the old poll...

Damn, its been a lot of upsets so far this post season. My guess is as good as anybody's, but the Titans have me hooked so I'm gonna go with them this week (to beat the spread).

The bookies would tell us we are having a SF vs. KC Super Bowl this year. But as we've seen, any g.d. thing can happen! I would not at all be surprised if we ended up having a Green Bay vs. Tennessee Super Bowl.

What do you guys think?

I agree as i explained above but I'm not hooked on the titans it could be a serious trap game but the odds are good for a all the way prop bet I think.

My guess is GB with the spread is the safest bet so that what I'll vote nut I really have ZERO clue. Grin
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