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61  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-11-15 WordPress Blog - WordPress Now Accepting Bitcoins on: November 16, 2012, 06:46:59 AM

and keep some of the bitcoins Wink

+1 excellent point on not pushing those BTC right back into the banking system...that's the real inflection point and when you'll know that the train has left the station...I do applaud WordPress for a stellar business move (Congrats to Tony G. too).
62  Economy / Speculation / Re: You heard it here first on: November 16, 2012, 06:39:15 AM
if this is the main reason why the little rally is going now that reason is stupid so stupid above normal levels

you don't get it....

this is not the first thing like this to happen recently

at this past bitcoin will be all over the internet in less then a year.  Kiss


Good point. This is huge news, but you'll know the inflection point is reached when merchants like WordPress decide to hold their BTC instead of pushing it right back into the banking system.
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 10, 2012, 02:21:40 PM
Of course Dmytri is not on this forum, but he is defending himself in an educational tweet-a-thon;
https://twitter.com/dmytri and here https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/267255183443120128
64  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Legal Research on: November 07, 2012, 04:23:22 PM
I really miss this thread so I wrote this blog post on "tangible prepaid access devices" and brainwallets:

Department Of Homeland Security To Scan Payment Cards At Borders And Airports
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/11/07/department-of-homeland-security-to-scan-payment-cards-at-borders-and-airports/

Brainwallets appear to be safe for now:
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FINCEN-2011-0003-0016
65  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinbase Blog - Buy And Sell Bitcoin By Connecting Any U.S. Bank Account on: November 06, 2012, 06:10:43 AM
This is a bad idea. Coinbase is asking for your password when it want to access your bank account. Do not use!

Agreed. Coinbase is a bad idea on many levels (bank integration, wallet security, governing jurisdiction). I don't want to buy bitcoin from my bank or my bank's partner. Additionally, I am concerned about the coins that are stored at the Coinbase Wallet. It seems to me that Coinbase thinks of BTC as something like Linden Dollars or Facebook Credits (just another non-convertible virtual currency) and that they are missing the larger picture of Bitcoin (because they just wanted to raise some startup capital without realizing that they are playing with fire).

If they think I am wrong about all of this, I would love to hear back from one of the Coinbase VC investors.
66  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 12-10-31: Jon Matonis on Bitcoin CryptoCurrency−Is “Digital Gold” The Future Of on: November 05, 2012, 02:59:12 PM
With Jim's permission, I have made the full audio of this Financial Sense Newshour available here:

http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2012/11/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-is-digital-gold.html
67  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Argentina invents new ways to rob citizens, prime market for bitcoin on: October 23, 2012, 09:16:36 AM
Things are getting interesting in Argentina...

Bitcoin, Dollars, and a 25% Premium
http://thebluemarket.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/bitcoin-dollars-and-pot-banging-protests-in-argentina/
68  Other / Off-topic / Re: Shelling Out -- The Origins of Money on: October 23, 2012, 09:07:15 AM
Yes, and I cited Del Mar extensively in my article "The Political Appropriation of the Monetary Unit" (p. 46)

This is a great thread, BTW.
69  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Money laundering, is it a term banks invented? on: October 17, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
Before it was called money laundering, it was simply called banking.

70  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Legal Research on: October 17, 2012, 03:16:25 PM
I think your copyright argument is far too tenuous and detached from both the spirit and intent of copyright law and the actual protections it grants.

But even accepting for the sake of argument your previous points; how do you attach a copyright to the private key that is stored in the form of a brainwallet?

What happened to LegalEagle? Perhaps, he is off reading Brainwallet: The Ultimate in Mobile Money


You are trying to establish a property right in the private key, right?

Perfectly stated. A private key, especially in the form of a brainwallet, is an "illusory" and unenforceable construct. If not a legal air guitar, then it is most likely a negotiable verbal IOU with about the same level of enforceability.
71  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-09 Forbes.com - As Inflation Rages In Iran, Bitcoin Software Not Availab on: October 16, 2012, 09:52:34 AM
My understanding was that SourceForge is claiming that the specific OFAC sanctions against Iran would take precedence over the munitions export controls which were indeed relaxed for non-sanctioned countries. It just hasn't been challenged yet.

They can claim whatever they want as their excuse. They are wrong, but its their choice if they don't want to do it.

+1

Are you both suggesting that the core bitcoin development group (who are listed at bitcoin.org) remove the checkbox that blocks SourceForge downloads to sanctioned countries?
72  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-09 Forbes.com - As Inflation Rages In Iran, Bitcoin Software Not Availab on: October 15, 2012, 08:03:02 PM
The developers don't have a choice. Bitcoin uses strong cryptography, which, for reasons which don't really make sense, is legally classified as a military weapon under the Wassenaar Arrangement, and therefore illegal to export to "certain" countries. Simply making the source code available for download worldwide is legally equivilant to selling bombs to Iran. As fucked up as the law is, it must be obeyed if you want to avoid being jailed for arms trafficking.

This is not true. Open source, free software does not fall under the US munitions export controls. Otherwise, tools like openssl, tor, openssh, linux distributions, etc would not be available outside the US. See https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/01/07/2010-32803/publicly-available-mass-market-encryption-software-and-other-specified-publicly-available-encryption for the public restatement of that fact. This fact has been true since 1996. See John Gilmore's fights and wins in the US courts here, http://www.toad.com/gnu/export/export.html.

My understanding was that SourceForge is claiming that the specific OFAC sanctions against Iran would take precedence over the munitions export controls which were indeed relaxed for non-sanctioned countries. It just hasn't been challenged yet.
73  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Foundation on: October 15, 2012, 03:58:08 PM
Should all contributors to the software be paid employees or just the lead? What is the typical "open source foundation" way of doing it?

For any open source project with a foundation, only a small subset of developers contributing to the software wind up getting paid.  Usually there are only a tiny few full time positions for lead developers like Linus Torvalds (who is paid by the Linux Foundation), or Gavin in this case.

The remaining contributors tend to fall into one of two categories
  • Developers paid by a vendor in the ecosystem, who has a direct economic interest.  Example: My day job is working on the Linux kernel, and Red Hat (not the Linux Foundation) pays for me to work on that open source project.
  • Unpaid volunteers

And there are plenty of reasons why one remains a volunteer dev.  As an unpaid volunteer developer, I am free to disappear whenever I want, ignoring all bitcoin related emails for 6 months when the day job gets uber busy, or while I backpack on the Appalachian Trail.  Smiley

In open source projects, the long tail tells you that you will always have 100x more casual contributors, than steady contributors you can depend on for a timely response to a critical security bug.

Bitcoin is a very small ecosystem right now, as open source projects go.  (Warning: my own predictions...  I've no BF insider info at all here)  As it grows, Bitcoin Foundation will probably hire another dev or two, another sysadmin, pay for some infrastructure.

Once the bitcoin ecosystem is large enough, you will start to see devs appear who are working for third parties.  For example, (again, prediction, no insider info) MtGox hires their own developer, who contributes work based on MtGox's interests.  Similarly, chipmakers Intel and AMD hire their own Linux kernel developers to represent their interests, and submit Intel/AMD-specific code to the open source Linux kernel.

But that is a ways off.

An open source project is a rich blend of paid devs and unpaid volunteers, everybody working together on one common piece of software, to make it better for everyone.  As the saying goes, you work on an open source project to "scratch your own itch."  That is the engineering equivalent of pursuing one's own economic self-interest, the essence of the free market.


Great (and clear) summary of paid developers and unpaid volunteers in open source environment. I concur. It works best when there is a methodology and requirement for transparency of compensation.
74  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-09 Forbes.com - As Inflation Rages In Iran, Bitcoin Software Not Availab on: October 13, 2012, 05:41:36 PM
Adam Kokesh had some great coverage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyQaZKi42zw
75  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Legal Research on: October 08, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
Taking the other side of the argument, the non-zero probability of guessing the private key doesn't completely destroy property rights in the U.S. where you have patents, copyrights, and trade secrets for intellectual property.  You can accidentally guess the contents of each of these protections with a comparable probability to guessing a private key: non-zero but impractical to ever accomplish.

For patents, it doesn't matter that you guessed it after it was filed, you still need to license it in order to use it.  Not doing so is a tort.  This applies even if you guess something close (i.e. covered in the claims).

For copyrights, there is a burden to prove who was first to create it to establish ownership, right to copy/assign/transfer, etc.

For trade secrets, the legal protection is very weak.  In essence, you can steal it by guessing because it was not afforded to the other two protections.

This is why I believe in establishing that private keys are copyrightable speech.  Then they can be afforded a first line of protection from "theft" under existing U.S. law.

The value of a copyrighted work has all manner of precedence to draw from in U.S. law as well.


Unless you are attempting to recover stolen bitcoin property, you will most likely be trying to prove that your bitcoin 'property' does not exist and has not ever existed.
76  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ICBIT Derivatives Market (USD/BTC futures trading) - LIVE on: October 05, 2012, 02:41:27 PM

Now, this is with my possibly flawed understanding of what happens with the clearing price when a change of more than 10% occurs.  If the clearing price for October 6th should actually have been the $12.60, and not the $10 from the last BUZ2 trade, then my whole analysis is wrong, and you are exactly right at selling BUZ2 at $14 and buying BTC at $12.83 incurs no risk.

I like the concept a lot.
What has your experience with them been like in terms of liquidity and customer service?
77  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Foundation on: October 04, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
hihi, sorry I don't have the will to read entire thread so sorry if this has been mentioned already. Can we expect one of the responsibilties of the Bitcoin Foundation would be to defend individuals and companies who will be unfairly discriminated against purely on the fact they used bitcoin for (legal) trading. In the future, there is going to be incidences of misunderstandings like if you or I have been buying bitcoin with registered exchange and the powers that be investigate us for suspicious activity, you get me meaning. So, will the Foundation defend our rights and argue our case for us?

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but I don't see the Foundation representing members or other individuals in their personal legal matters around the world. Bitcoin Foundation is not a legal defense and advocacy organization like the EFF and ACLU.

I will, however, promote for the publication of key white papers on the topic that address the impotency of bitcoin-directed legislation and the immorality of not respecting financial privacy (in multiple languages, fyi).
78  Other / Off-topic / Re: Shelling Out -- The Origins of Money on: October 03, 2012, 05:57:16 AM
Love Szabo, he's a very smart guy, and has an interesting blog worth subscribing to, beyond his important role in Bitcoin's history.

And regarding the origins of money, here's a nice juxtaposition of the first state-issued coin in history, as mentioned in the article, next to the coin that will (hopefully) end the era of state-controlled money:



Yes, Lydia is indeed interesting. While it may be the first state-issued coin in history, it began in Lydia as private coinage issued by and used within the merchant communities. The State (or King) then appropriated it for obvious reasons.
79  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrency Journal on: October 03, 2012, 04:56:06 AM
There is the Financial Cryptography and Data Security (Lecture Notes in Computer Science) published every year with cryptocurrency and digital cash academic articles:

http://www.springer.com/generic/search/results?SGWID=0-40109-23-0-0&searchType=EASY_CDA&queryText=Financial+Cryptography+and+Data+Security&sortOrder=relevance&searchScope=books

It is published after the proceedings from this conference: http://ifca.ai/
80  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Regarding the Bitcoin Foundation....... on: September 29, 2012, 05:42:40 PM
Thank you for your confidence (and to the others as well). As one of the representatives of the Individual Membership Class, I take my board responsibilities very seriously. When Zimmermann resigned from Network Associates because they were trying to backdoor PGP, I took him in at Hushmail as Chief Cryptographer which is when OpenPGP was launched (2000-2002).

Regarding your 3rd concern above, how do you respond to the points that I make in this reply to theymos https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113400.msg1227798#msg1227798 ?

I recognize the potential financial dependency issue, but how does your proposal mitigate clandestine, non-transparent compensation from malicious actors and how does it address succession planning for lead developers?

Jon I think anyone who has been following you over the past couple of years (as I do on Twitter & Forbes) is likely to agree that you are a principled individual, not only very knowledgeable about socioeconomic topics, but also well-aligned ideologically with the original spirit of Bitcoin.

You make valid points in your other post, and I agree that the Foundation could do a lot of good as a sanity check, sounding board, buffering mechanism, and supervisory entity versus the development team.  And undoubtedly, in the long term, an enlightened oligarchy is less risky than a hereditary Gavinistic monarchy.  My main fear in going from a known state where the developers control the priorities (currently) to an unknown state where possibly the Foundation dominates, is related to the first bullet point: essentially, I don't think that the announced board composition fairly represents my own perception wrt. Bitcoin's ideological and cultural makeup.  I think it needs one extra seat assigned to someone who loves Bitcoin purely for ideology, has lived outside the USA, and has a track record of defending freedom and privacy under political pressure.  Hence the two names I proposed.

Thus, the third bullet, trying to get the development schedule crowdfunded, was simply an attempt at a safety valve in case the Foundation gets dissolved or goes astray, a possibility that seems nonzero given my misgivings regarding the board composition.  I can follow your thesis that a Foundation structure should be more stable and less risky than unsupervised developer control, but that thesis has, as an assumption, a Foundation board which is trustworthy.  At this point, the devil I know (the current dev team) has a very good multiyear track record of self-governance and respect for Bitcoin's privacy features; whereas wrt. the Foundation, yourself and Gavin (a minority) are the only people that I would trust to shepherd Bitcoin not just as a public transactional medium, but also, just as importantly, as a private store of value and private means of payment.

So basically my position is that I'd accept (or at least be willing to try out) the governance premises in your post, and support the Foundation more unequivocally, if the board composition was adjusted to guarantee a stronger ideological commitment to monetary freedom and privacy.


Thanks for your rational feedback, n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU (I can't really pronounce your name though).

Over time, the case that the Foundation has to make is that an independent, transparent body is preferable to the reasoned whims of volunteer coders when it comes to protecting the integrity of open source protocols.
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