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541  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: September 11, 2014, 05:09:43 PM
If majority of Mariupol wanted to join with the separatists, they would be the ones protesting, or just plain joining to begin with. Doesn't it bother you that all these big cities have to be "taken over" by separatists, instead of them just willingly joining them?

Photos of few thousand protesters, very likely organized by the local Ukrainian authorities, prove literally nothing. It's a city of 500.000 citizens, and as we can see vast majority prefers to stay in their homes. Why? I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that this 'silent majority' is not interested to support revolutionary government in Kiev, or they are simply scared of Ukrainian paramilitary thugs roaming the streets. Massacre in Odessa was a lesson and it's not forgotten.

Are you saying that Mariupol is governed by a dictator? Or that ONLY the pro-Kiev side has guns? I don't get it. If the pro-Kiev side is a minority, then how are they holding so much control over what you claim is a huge majority?


By the time Kiev allows a referendum in the Donbass, the original inhabitants will be gone for ever. Already one-sixth of the population has crossed over to Russia.

This is bad why? Weren't you claiming that those people were Russians and want to be a part of Russia? So, now thanks to the fighting in the region (fighting by BOTH, separatists and Kiev "junta") they are Russians in Russia. So, what's the problem?
542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: September 11, 2014, 04:57:51 PM
I was going to say, I really hope that Russia doesn't become the new world ruler, considering how corrupt and totalitarian their government is, how much they trample on human rights, and how much their culture apparently breeds apathy and neonazi levels of nationalism, thinking that everyone just collapsing and being independent would be a much better outcome then being forced under Russia...

And then I remembered that "As of 2012 oil and gas sector accounted for 16% of the GDP, 52% of federal budget revenues and over 70% of total exports", many of which are going to EU, so if the "West" collapses, Russia will follow. And before you say, "But China!...," at least 40% of China's exports are going to the "West," and that really high US debt you guys keep bringing up? A lot of that is to China, which owns $1.28 TRILLION in US debt, from which it earns $26.9 billion in interest payments every year, and which it holds as treasury notes to suppress the value of its own currency to make their exports cheaper and more competitive. If US collapses, not only will China instantly lose $1.28 trillion in assets, but it will lose a huge income, and its currency value will shoot up, as will the price of their exports and labor, making them really uncompetitive for outsourcing. Their economy will collapse as well, combined with massive unemployment. So, China will lose their export economy and many of their workers will become unemployed, Russia will find itself not being able to sell its oil to anyone (Brazil isn't doing all that well either BTW), and because much of Russia is held up by social welfare programs paid by those oil and gas profits (keeps the population pacified, but stupid, and keeps the economy from developing), when those social welfare programs dry up (or lead to massive hyperinflation), there will be massive mayhem in the streets of Russia. I am certain Jews will be blamed.

So, if "The West" falls, your favorite pets Russia and China will fall with them.

P.S. Oil and resources do not make for the richest economy in a nation. Who are the wealthiest, most economically developed nations in the Middle East? Oil-rich Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia? Nope! It's Israel and Dubai, the two countries that have no oil whatsoever!
Oh, you're very russophobic and predjudiced, twisting facts to support your fear-mongering claims. It doesn't make sense to argue with you.

I'm not twisting facts, I'm reporting on actual numbers. How would you "untwist" the facts that 70% of Russia's economy depends on exports, and that 40% of China's economy depends on exports to the west, and is supported by them owning US debt? Are you disputing the facts, or claiming that if those 70% and 40% of exports were cut, and China lost $1.28 trillion in assets, that their economy would boom?


P.S. If you don't know the most developed resource-rich country, then you should check Norway.

How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'. Some key points:
"For while other countries have struck oil and then binged on the revenues, by contrast Norway is continuing to invest its oil and gas money in a giant sovereign wealth fund."
"There is a closely followed guideline that only 4% of the surplus from the fund is spent or invested in public projects."

So, this "resource-rich country" is not rich because of the oil. It sounds like, instead of using their oil profits to pay for social welfare programs the way Russia and many Middle Eastern countries are doing, they are putting that money aside, and are still focusing on developing their economy through other means. Once the oil runs out, they plan to use that fund to help continue to develop their economy and switch to other types of production, but are still worried that they may have trouble with jobs if too many people don't have any skills other than oil.
543  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is bad: Russia 'abducts' Estonian officer after Obama says US will defend.. on: September 11, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
1)Russia didn't invade Crimea. Crimean people did not want to live together with the Nazis from Kiev and asked Russia rejoin. Do you feel the difference?

2)There are no Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine. If there were Russian troops, militia would have won long ago.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, while the rest of the world disagrees with you.


Crimea was a part of the Russian SFSR until 1954, when Nikita Khrushchev illegally annexed it to Ukraine. In 2014, the vast majority of the Crimean people rebelled against the Kiev rule, and seceded from Ukraine. A few days after the declaration of independence, the Crimean people voted to join the Russian Federation. Their request was approved by Russia. Where is the invasion here?

The invasion was when a bunch of Russian troops in unmarked military uniforms invaded Crimea, took over the airport, and "kept the peace" BEFORE Crimea had the vote and the "majority" rebelled against the Kiev rule. Care to tell me who in Crimea invited those unmarked Russian troops who all wore balaclavas to keep from being identified?
544  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is bad: Russia 'abducts' Estonian officer after Obama says US will defend.. on: September 11, 2014, 03:17:20 PM
No Russian national asset has been stolen that I know of. What are you talking about? Russia sells natural gas to the West, but that isn't stolen, and Russians are happy to get the cash.

Western puppets such as Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Platon Lebedev, Mikhail Brudno, Vasily Shakhnovsky and Leonid Nevzlin fraudulently seized Russian national assets including oil and gas fields using a variety of means (including murder and intimidation of government officials)...

They all have Russian names though... Let's see:

Mikhail Khodorkovsky - Born in Moscow, Russia, became deputy head of Komsomol (the Communist Youth League), used his connections within the communist structures to gain a foothold in the developing free market, and used the help of some powerful people to start his business activities under the cover of Komsomol. Sounds like an old Soviet Russian stealing your resources from within. Why would he be called a western puppet? "In February 2003, at a televised meeting at the Kremlin, Khodorkovsky argued with Putin about corruption. He implied that major government officials were accepting millions in bribes." Ah! There it is!

Platon Lebedev - Born in Moscow, Russia, is best known as a close associate of Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Is he a "western puppet" for similar reasons? "He was subsequently charged with embezzlement and money laundering in 2009, and pled not guilty to the charges. There has been speculation that these charges were politically motivated.  Lebedev and Khodorkovsky were named prisoners of conscience by Amnesty International" and says "he would fight for the freedom of people he considered political prisoners." So, all around great Russian while stealing the oil, but a western puppet bastard if he goes against the rest of the Russian oligarchs.

Mikhail Brudno - Too little info on this guy... My guess is also a Soviet oligarch that stole Russian resources from within government.

Vasily Shakhnovsky - Same as above, too little info, but also has ties to the Yukos debacle. Which, for the uninformed, "After Khodorkovsky (Owner of Yukos) became an advocate of democratization, international co-operation and Russian reform, in October 2003 Khodorkovsky was arrested, and the company was forcibly broken up for alleged unpaid taxes shortly after and declared bankrupt in August 2006. Courts in several countries later ruled that the real intent was to destroy Yukos and obtain its assets for the government, and act politically against Khodorkovsky." Or, you know, private party buys oil fields and creates a highly successful oil company, government that is still full of old Soviets and KGB decide they want in on that, trump up false charges, and steal that wealth by nationalizing the company, with new oligarchs simply getting jealous and stealing from the old oligarchs (btw, it's this what both George Orwell and Ayn Rand warned against, and what bitcoin as a political system is designed to fight?). Oh, and what do you know, "In 2014 the largest arbitration award in history, $50 billion (€37,2 billion), was won by Yukos' former owners against Russia."

Leonid Nevzlin - Born in Moscow, Russia, participated in the Russian presidential election of 1996 helping to reelect Boris Yeltsin, but is otherwise a plain business man and (OH NOES!) a jew who dared to suggest that jews should have freedoms in Russia. So, another Russian oligarch who came up through the ranks of Russian politics, but became a "western puppet" once the new oligarchs wanted to steal from the old oligarchs. Except he's extra "western" because he's a jew. Despite being born, raised, and taught in Russia, and working with the Russian government.  Roll Eyes

In short, Russian oligarchs, all born and raised in Russia (Soviet Russia no less), many of whom were involved in government or rose up through its ranks, stole from their own people to build a highly successful private oil company, but once they started making real money, and worse, suggesting that Russians should have freedoms and good relations with the rest of the world, the old government oligarchs got jealous and took all their wealth by nationalizing their company, and, of course, calling them "western puppets," because, being born, raised, educated, and members of Soviet Russian government is what makes one a "western puppet."

... and later sold them to bankers and investors from the EU and the US.

Yeah, there's no "later sold them." They were nationalized by Russian government and are all now owned by Russian government owned companies like Gasprom.

P.S. Thank you for the list of names. Researching and reading about this part of Russia's more recent history has been highly enlightening.
545  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Re on: September 11, 2014, 02:30:07 PM
Why this war begans? Because Kiev was banned russian language all over Ukraina. But in east Ukraina many people even don't know ukrainian language!


This is not true. Many people in Kiev speak only Russian and do not understand Ukrainian very well. This is something maybe some person in Kiev said, who had no power to actually change anything at all, and that Russia spread big propaganda about to try to scare Eastern Ukraine. It would be silly for Kiev to ban all Russian language when so much of Kiev and Ukraine speaks it. Besides, it is not the language that Ukraine is worried about, it is Russia and Putin.

Democracy is only one of the forms of governing, and in its current form is a pretty recent invention.


What? Its current form is similar to what Greeks experimented with thousands of years ago, and almost exactly what Romans had thousands of years ago (Senate, parliament, etc).


I don't care about the press freedom as long as the people there are able to lead a normal family life. In 75% of the world nations, there is no press freedom, so Belarus is nothing special. IMO, the Belorussians are better off being ruled by a dictator who cares for his own people, rather than being ruled by some oligarch or a western puppet.

So, DPRK (North Korea) is perfectly ok then?
546  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is bad: Russia 'abducts' Estonian officer after Obama says US will defend.. on: September 11, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
I wonder who is the most dangerous to world peace, IS or Russia. To all countries in Eastern Europe, this is Russia.

The most dangerous country to world peace is the United States of America. IS has invaded 2 countries in the last 50 years. Russia has invaded none.

Yeah, I kinda had to comment on this one too. Did you forget Crimea and Eastern Ukraine already?
547  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gays arrested for... "anger God"?! on: September 11, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Apparently gays can't share their happiness... aren't humans or something like it.  Roll Eyes

I have no problem with gays in the United States posting their private videos to YouTube. But if you are a gay, and if you are living in a conservative country (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Myanmar.etc), then you should not provoke the authorities. Keep your videos private, and refrain from public displays of sexuality. By posting this video to the YouTube, these people have caused more harm than good to the homosexuals in Egypt.

Is that kinda like if you are a black person, living in a country that practices slavery, it's your fault for living there and you should keep quiet about it, and not the fault of the country practicing slavery? Or a more modern example, if you are an extremely poor person working in a sweatshop, in a country that is perfectly fine with exploiting people in sweatshops, it's your fault for being a poor sweatshop worker and living in that country, and not the fault of the country for accepting sweatshops, and you should just keep quiet about your being exploited, otherwise you'll bring harm on the rest of the sweatshop workers? Nice subjugation advice there.
548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Could someone provide evidence that the majority of Russians aren't insane? on: September 11, 2014, 01:44:43 PM
Also, the biggest difference between the intents is that USA invades to try to make the countries democratic and capitalist, while Russia invades to try to make the countries totalitarian and socialist/communist.

Oh god...

In every nook and corner of the world, people are begging Barack Obama to invade their land and take their natural resources away, to make them more "Democratic and Capitalist". Just like what he did in countries such as Iraq (transferring power to ISIS from Saddam). People in Germany still thank the Americans for taking away their gold reserves... as that made them more "Democratic".

I did say that Americans regret the Iraq thing, and majority really disapprove of their government for making such a mistake, didn't I? But tell me, how many countries in the world are begging for Russia to take them over? Ukraine? Georgia? Is Afghanistan grateful for USSR coming in and destroying their country, which before they came was about as civilized and peaceful as Paris? Maybe East Germany wants to go back to being Russian again?
549  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Could someone provide evidence that the majority of Russians aren't insane? on: September 11, 2014, 01:32:58 PM
Russian mentality is perfectly rational for anyone with even a drop of knowledge about their history.

You mean them mostly being of Mongolian descent or culture,  with the Golden Horde khanate taking them over shortly after Moscovie was established, and either directly ruling or having a strong influence on it for centuries, breeding a culture of ruthlessness and need for conquer and expansion, until they finally receded and the Moscovie monarchy, being embarrassed about their Mongolian origins, imported top historians from Europe to rewrite Moscovie's history to be as if it came out of Ukraine, instead of the Khans, renamed Moscovie to the same name as what Ukraine was called at the time (pronounced "Kievskaya Rosiya") and just calling themselves THE Rosiya, stole Ukraine's history - which had nothing to do with Moscovie other than fighting off their (Mongolian) invasions throughout the centuries, convinced everyone that Ukraine is just a part of them, and thus should be "taken back," and established its country based on lies?

Yes, their mentality of a ruthless need to conquer, not have empathy for those they are taking over, and tendency to lie and change history without really caring about what is true or not, IS perfectly rational based on their history. It doesn't excuse them or make them rational people though (at least not the ones in power, or those too apathetic to care what is being done by those who rule them).
550  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: September 11, 2014, 04:59:35 AM
And the most economically developed nation in the Middle East is Qatar, not Israel or UAE.

How do you measure that? Since oil "accounts for more than 70% of total government revenue, more than 60% of gross domestic product, and roughly 85% of export earnings," they are basically completely dependent and subsidized by oil, and their economy can only decline as their oil runs out. Basically, they're as fucked as Saudi Arabia, long term.

Also, I thought Dubai was a semiautonomous city/province, like Shanghai or Hong Cong, with Dubai kicking ass economically despite only 2% of its GDP coming from oil.
551  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS Threatens Putin/Russia on: September 11, 2014, 04:44:55 AM
Al Qaeda has dealt a MASSIVE blow to USA, not in the forms of jets hitting buildings, but in the form of a totally unnecessary and wasteful $3 trillion dollar war, which in part led to massive economic damage to US. I wonder if these guys are just trying to provoke anyone they can to try to screw countries like Al Qaeda did?

This again?

Do some better research. I bet you think housing crisis happened because of the war expenses too.

Just a hint - global economics and national budget doesn't work the same way as a personal checkbook.

Did 9/11 and Iraq/Afghanistan war contribute to the economic depression in 2001/2002?
552  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About Amazon and Bitcoin on: September 11, 2014, 04:42:54 AM
The deal isn't bad, they seem to go by the coindesk calculator price.

They use BitPay, and thus BitPay's price. Last I heard, BitPay derives their prices from looking at a collection of bitcoin exchanges and seing what it would cost to sell that amount of bitcoin right now, based on actual available offers. So, if still true, BitPay is even more accurate than just an average of prices.
553  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Certified Bitcoin Professional on: September 11, 2014, 04:12:15 AM
These people are Michael Perklin (Tigereye - https://www.linkedin.com/in/perklin), Vitalik Buterin, Anthony Di Iorio, and advisers like Peter Todd, Charles Hoskinson, and Piotr Piasecki, all of whom are very high level people in this space, whom I have met in person and would personally vouch for as highly respected and fairly trustworthy. Which makes me really wonder about this...
554  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Certified Bitcoin Professional on: September 11, 2014, 03:50:11 AM
Does the certification fee provide you with study materials too? I could see that being worth the $50, considering the list of topics covered, but if all you get is an online quiz and a fancy piece of paper...


BTW, I noticed a list of some high level people in the About section. Asked them to confirm whether they are actually responsible for this (I could maybe sorta see them putting something like this together, but want to make sure this place isn't just dropping names without permission). I'll get back to you with their reply

It was $75 CAD total, $50 for the test and $25 for the certificate.  I saw the thing posted on reddit.  I saw Peter Todd as the top advisor.  I listen to him on let's Talk Bitcoin and I trust what he says so I figured it was OK.  they also said they have a registered non-profit and any extra funds will be donated.

Yeah, confirmed it's the legit group, with people like Vitalik and Anthony Di Iorio helping run this thing. Honestly I'm surprised and perplexed that they would do this. Seems rather... I don't know... Opportunistic? Maybe even a bit pointless, especially at this stage?

And do they provide study materials, or do you basically have to be a genuine expert and know all this stuff to take the test? (I'm somewhat tempted to try, since I know all the topics listed, but want to know what I would get for my $75, since I don't actually need this to get a bitcoin job)
555  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Certified Bitcoin Professional on: September 11, 2014, 03:29:13 AM
Does the certification fee provide you with study materials too? I could see that being worth the $50, considering the list of topics covered, but if all you get is an online quiz and a fancy piece of paper...
556  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Certified Bitcoin Professional on: September 11, 2014, 03:17:15 AM
I think you got ripped off. I paid only about $30CAD to order a sign from VistaPrint that has a big bitcoin logo and "Bitcoin Expert" text on it. Saved $45, and looks much better at conventions.

This could be used by companies as pointed out.

I have used mine at a number of conventions run by companies Smiley Point is, I get my credit from knowledge and reputation, not an online quiz that seems to WAY overcharge (I can't see how it could cost $25 to print and ship a certificate. Even a very fancy one).



You run a non-existent charity,

Nope

plan to break into FBI computers

Nope

while you work for the State of MD,

Nope

and looking silly in videos.

Most definitely  Grin

Why did you take this certificate quiz, pay so much for it, and post about it on the forum? Are you partnering with these guys to try to earn money on what looks like a ripoff at least, and an "online university/certification" scam at worst?
557  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About Amazon and Bitcoin on: September 11, 2014, 03:06:19 AM
Did it occur to anybody else that Amazon can't join the bitcoin revolution because Jeff Bezos is part of the bilderberg group?

The bilderberg group is mostly just a place for business/politics nerds, who are too wealthy and famous to go out in public, to be able to freely hang out and relax among people with similar situations and interests. It's basically the equivalent of bitcoiners hanging out at afterparties and bars during bitcoin conventions, where they can network and discuss "you help me, I help you" business arrangements. Nothing all that sinister. And since Jeff Bezos is at the least a libertarian, I'm pretty sure he's quite in favor of bitcoin. Remember, these people are interested in business and free trade first and foremost, not government and controlling the world.
558  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Certified Bitcoin Professional on: September 11, 2014, 02:29:48 AM
I think you got ripped off. I paid only about $30CAD to order a sign from VistaPrint that has a big bitcoin logo and "Bitcoin Expert" text on it. Saved $45, and looks much better at conventions.
559  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Trends show majority of U.S. consumers ‘unlikely’ to purchase and use "Fiat" on: September 11, 2014, 02:25:02 AM
Well, that's true. Majority of Americans are buying Toyotas, Hondas, and Chevy's.
560  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS Threatens Putin/Russia on: September 11, 2014, 01:58:15 AM
Al Qaeda has dealt a MASSIVE blow to USA, not in the forms of jets hitting buildings, but in the form of a totally unnecessary and wasteful $3 trillion dollar war, which in part led to massive economic damage to US. I wonder if these guys are just trying to provoke anyone they can to try to screw countries like Al Qaeda did?
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