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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Giveaway! on: March 13, 2013, 12:28:10 AM
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2  Other / Off-topic / The story of Bold Funding. on: August 31, 2011, 02:51:38 AM
The story of Bold Funding.

As you can see, I've never been in hiding.   Clearly.    Smiley

Back in 2004, Ed and I started a business to try to help people save their homes from foreclosure.   We were taught by someone in Michigan who was very successful at it.

The idea was:   We matched up an interested investor, with someone facing foreclosure.   If the homeowner had enough equity in their home, it could work.   The homeowner would voluntarily sell their home to the investor, thus freeing up the equity they had in thier home... while paying off the mortgage company... and preventing the foreclosure.   Then, they would immediately buy their home back from the investor on a "land contract".

The whole process was a win-win.   The homeowner would not lose their home.  The equity that was freed up was enough to pay the investor a decent fee for extending his credit and risk, and there was usually enough for a small fee for us, and often even cash back to the homeowner.   Everyone wins.   Everyone was happy.    Even the mortgage company was happy... being paid off in full.

It was actually a brilliant idea... which had barely ever been done before.   And it helped many people save their homes.

What happened though... in short is.... We were a victum of our own success.  At the same time that we had just begun a radio advertising campaign... mortgage foreclosures hit an all time high.  

We were suddenly swamped with applications to process.  We hired more people as fast as we could, but there was no time to train them.   It was a disaster.   A management and planning disaster.   As a result, we dropped the ball.   We did not get applications processed fast enough.

We had every single applicant sign a contract -- and with their signature notorized -- stating that they understood clearly that there was no guarantee that we would be able to match them with a suitable investor.   No guarantee that we would be able to save their home.

Of course, we needed to charge a deposit in order to pay for the weeks worth of processing paperwork that was needed in order to deterine their deed, their mortgages, determine their equity, get appraisals on the property... then try to match them with suitable investors.

The whole thing was a miserable failure.   When people panicked because they couldn't get answers from us fast enough...  they freaked out.   They complained to the BBB, and all the way up.

Bold Funding was a disaster.  We got overwhelmed with applications.  So many applications that.... even tho we tried... it was hopeless to try to process them all.  As a result, people were let down.  It was never our intention to harm nor defraud anyone.  We were not present at the proceedings for the civil lawsuit against us, at the advice of our legal council.  And that was only a CIVIL trial, by the way.  No criminal charges were ever filed.  The case is closed for the government too.  The statute of limitations is 6 years, and they never considered the case worthy.

People who know me, know that I have been promoting bitcoins, accepting cash deposits and delivering bitcoins in exchange, and I never defraud anyone.

We were only trying to run a business which would help people.  It's just that we failed miserably.

I live with the pain of knowing that we let people down who were hoping that we could help them save their homes.... and faster.   But all in all, we were only able save a small percentage of the homes we were tasked with.

It was never fraud.   It was mismanagement.    And we learned a LOT of lessons from that experience.     Lessons we will never forget.
3  Other / Off-topic / Re: Two interesting emails I received today... on: August 30, 2011, 05:02:05 PM
Why not choose a city with an airport? Why not some other major financial hub in Thailand? Why a city specifically known for underage sex tourism?

Both of these statements are lies.... or terribly misinformed....  as I have pointed out before.

The brand new world-class Bangkok International Airport is CLOSER to Pattaya (the resort beach community), than it is to Bangkok itself (the dirty urban city).

Also, there is no city in Thailand known for underage tourism.   Thailand has very strict laws against it... which are strictly enforced with extremely harsh punishments.

Thailand is also notoriously strict on illegal drugs.     The smallest infraction can get you the death penalty there.

What I will do is this:   

I will take a survey of the ACTUAL REAL adults who attended this past Conference.... ( not the endless personas here belonging to 13-year-old bitcoin and libertarian haters )  and I will ask them if they would prefer Pattaya, or some other destination.   It makes little difference to me.
4  Other / Off-topic / Re: Two interesting emails I received today... on: August 30, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
By the way, for a little more clarification...

In that excerpt from 2006, in that forum... which is being attributed to me...    The FACT is....   My post was the one at the top.     The message I was REPLYING TO was the one at the bottom...

In other words, my words were at the top --- before the word "QUOTE(tdperhs..." etc.

The words after  "QUOTE(tdperhs..."   ....is the other guy's post.....   the post to which I was replying.

Those words about a "virgins and newbies" and "a three pronged attack"....   were NOT my words.    

You can see clearly that I was quoting that other guy.

In my reply, I was defending the guys who work there in that business....  Saying that it's great that people tip them well, but the problem is one of economics.   They are so poor, they cannot refuse even the scumbags who mistreat them.... and then underpay them.    It's a very sad thing.    THAT is what I was saying.

If you re-read it in that light, it will make sense to you.

I have never been to any place called "Atom Bomb" and none of those words are in character for me.

Also, Pattaya is very well know for its Four Seasons and Ritz Carleton and Marriott Resort Hotels on the beaches.... and which are used for conventions, as well as it's Pattaya Exhibition and Convention Hall.     Just look at some of these pictures:   http://www.peachthailand.com/exhibition-convention/

Millions of people, and families, go there from all over the world for conventions and expos every year.   But if you don't like Pattaya or Thailand, please just don't go.     It's just that simple.

By the way, in case anyone is curious....   PUNLman stands for what I believe in.   PUNL.    Pure Unconditional Non-judgmental Love.   .....which is what I am all about.   .....and which always wins in the end.    Smiley
5  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pattaya on: August 30, 2011, 02:05:45 PM
Two interesting emails I received today...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40258.0
6  Other / Off-topic / Two interesting emails I received today... on: August 30, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
Just to set the record straight....

I am not a pedophile.    I am a homosexual.   But those are two completely different things.   In fact, the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.

I have never had any sort of sexual relations with anyone under age --- ever in my life --- even when I was underage myself, and I certainly have no interest in doing so.    It is a horrific and despicable thing.    ( Even when I was under 18, my first boyfriend was 19, and I was 17.   We were together for 6 years. )

I do not condone rape.   It is equally despicable.   I never condone any acts of violence, unless in direct self defense.    I have never raped anyone.

Absolutely everyone familiar with Thai culture in the least knows that ALL males are referred to as "boys" --- even if they are 38 years old.    And ALL females are referred to as "girls", similarly.   It is just the terminology they use.    It is a bit disconcerting at first.... to hear them constantly refer to someone older than you as a "boy" or a "girl"....   but you get used to it.    It is a part of their culture and customs.

I happen to know that Thailand's laws against child-sex are extremely strict.    IDs are checked everywhere, and multiple times, to insure that everyone is over 18 years old.    Thailand's laws are much stricter, in this regard, than the laws of New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut --- where the legal age of consent is only 17, in fact.

However, again, I have never had any such interest in anyone who is not an adult.... ever in my life.

What has happened is....

I have spoken out against the MyBitcoin posse.....   Madhatter, his close familial relationship with NanaimoGold, etc., etc.

I've also spoken out against the vandalism --- to the point of the destruction of --- this Forum.....  by kid hackers who absolutely HATE libertarian values, and bitcoin, and what those concepts stand for.

The Result is Clear.

This Forum has become their obvious target.   They want to destroy it.    And they've done a good job of that.

And I have become a target --- and they want to destroy me --- because I promote Bitcoin, and I am enthusiastic about Bitcoin....  and, the fact is, people listen to me.    So they are trying oh so desperately to discredit me.

Then, add to that, the MyBitcoin heist by all the names associated with each other on the #bitcoin-police wiki....   and you get the complete picture.

These are Bitcoin Haters.....   and MyBitcoin Thieves who are now Fugitives.

Many of the statements made about me by these people are clearly libelous.   I am retaining legal counsel to pursue all legal avenues with regard to such libelous statements made about me.

As you can see in these two emails I just received today....    The MyBitcoin thieves are scared.    They are only hoping that I do, in fact, have something to hide.   Sorry to disappoint...   But I do not.

Sorry about your luck someone... or whatever other obvious pseudonym you're using today.    Smiley

I have absolutely nothing to hide.    And I have broken no laws.      ( other than a big fat ticket for not wearing a seat belt recently.  Smiley   )

Two interesting emails I received today...

Email 1 from Madhatter Today:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7ur4Ey5X4

--
Cheers!
The Madhatter

Email 2 from Madhatter Today:

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Don't you wish you could delete and change things faster? Well, the
internet doesn't really work that way does it? We had that stuff
archived over a year ago -- it's old news to us.

Look, I always knew you were a pervert. Ever since you first appeared on
the forums. I kept your secrets for a long time.

Your reputation is toast. Now, I don't even have to lift a finger. The
rest will run its course organically.

You got sloppy and you put people I know in harms way. That was
irresponsible and unforgivable.

I have more information about the things your group is involved in, but
it is so fucking sick I'm afraid to even think it. If the police ever do
find me and show up on my doorstep they'll be the first to get a copy.

We want you to leave Bitcoin now. You've served your purpose. We can
take it from here. Pack your bags and fuck off now. Go back to whoring
or something else instead, pretty please?

--
Cheers!
The Madhatter

As you can see, someone is desperate and scared.   He hopes against all odds that I have something to hide... and that he ( they ) can intimidate me into stopping.... telling the truth.
7  Other / Off-topic / Re: BitcoinForums.net promotion - Win 2BTC! on: August 28, 2011, 09:32:03 PM
Yes....

Everyone I know is complaining about the current state of this forum..... which has made it almost useless....  with the children who are all about vandalizing the forum with viscous comments and attacking everyone.  

So I finally decided to start a new forum again...    so we can get back to the "good old days" of discussing Bitcoin as adults...  without trolling  ( or, as I call it, forum vandalism ).

The link will remain in my signature line below.....   which is:    http://tinyurl.com/bitcoinpeople

Please come join me there for a breath of fresh air.....    Free and open discussion of All Things Bitcoin....  without all the junk posts.

Personally, I will no longer be posting in this forum.....   except to link to a post in this New forum.
8  Other / Off-topic / The New Moderated Bitcoin Forum on: August 28, 2011, 09:04:32 PM
Everyone I know is complaining about the current state of this forum.....

which has made it almost useless....

with the children who are all about vandalizing the forum with viscous comments and attacking everyone.  

So I finally decided to start a new forum again...    so we can get back to the "good old days" of discussing Bitcoin as adults...  without trolling  ( or, as I call it, forum vandalism ).

The link will remain in my signature line below.....   which is:    http://tinyurl.com/bitcoinpeople

Please come join me there for a breath of fresh air.....    Free and open discussion of All Things Bitcoin....  without all the junk posts.

Personally, I will no longer be posting in this forum.....   except to link to a post in this New forum.
9  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pattaya on: August 28, 2011, 05:57:04 PM
So basically what you are saying is that people are ignorant if they are worried a bitcoin conference in a world wide known
sexual tourist destination might be a bad idea?

No, I'm saying they're ignorant because they claim Amsterdam is only known for drugs & sex, Pattaya is only known for child prostitution, New York is only known for drug related gang wars, San Francisco is only known as a great place to meet friendly bums, Moscow is only known as the place where former KGB agents assassinate journalists etc.

Feel free to answer the question I wrote to you earlier:

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If Pattaya is such an obviously bad place for a conference, why is one of Thailand's biggest and most modern conference centres there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattaya_Exhibition_and_Convention_Hall

Exactly that.

This thread, like most of the threads in this forum, has become overrun by 98% 13-year-old children who are making a concerted trolling attack on the Bitcoin Forums.   Don't fall for it.   That's all they are.... just children trolling for jollies.   Like kids playing telephone pranks.

It is very sad that it is destroying the Bitcoin Community's central point of communication.    Oh for the "old days" when adults discussed topics relevant to bitcoin... with other adults... here in these forums.

Sadly, a certain percentage of real people will come here and read these posts and believe that they are posted by other real people...  And they will begin to believe that there is some percentage of people who believe a certain way...   When, in fact, the entire thread.... and the entire forum... is being "social engineered" by a bunch of 13-year-old kids.

For anyone's information, Thailand is extremely strict about child abuse.   Mess around with anyone under 18 and you are SURE to find yourself in a Thai prison for life.    In New York City ( the states of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut ), the legal age of consent is 17.   In Thailand, the age is 18.    And EVERYONE checks... in three ways.    So if anyone is thinking about going to Thailand for child-sex....  You'd better think again!     It's not going to happen there without severe consequences.

Also, Be Warned:  Thailand is extremely harsh on illegal drugs.   The smallest amount of an illegal substance brought into Thailand WILL result in the death penalty.   Make no mistake about it.

If you are looking for these things, Thailand is NOT the place for you.

Don't be misled by the false information being posted by 13-year-old kids trolling for laughs here.

Also, as we already announced.....   We are working on Bitcoin Conferences in ALL of the following cities: 

  • Dubai
  • Pattaya
  • Sydney
  • San Jose
  • Mumbai
  • Warsaw
  • Moscow
  • Seoul
  • Rio de Janeiro
  • New York City
  • Shenzhen
  • London

I believe that "The Big Conference" will be the one held in New York City each year.

Obviously, everyone can pick and choose which cities they would like to attend.  If you don't care for one of the cities on the list, please do not attend that one.

On another topic, the current state of this Forum has made it almost useless.... with the children who are all about vandalizing the forum with viscous comments and attacking everyone.   I am considering starting my own Forum --- separate from this one --- for adults only.   I don't really have time to moderate a Forum, but I will hire someone to do so if I need to.   We need a Forum for open adult discussion.
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to make sure Bitcoin will never be banned by governments! on: August 28, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
I am Bruce Wagner, and I approve this message.    Wink
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter to Bruce Wagner on: August 28, 2011, 06:56:24 AM
By the way, on the upcoming Bitcoin World Cruise....  Not only is all food is included....  but ALL ALCOHOL is free (included) as well.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter to Bruce Wagner on: August 27, 2011, 12:21:49 AM
I believe in free speech and I abhor censorship.

At the same time...

It so saddens me to see the degradation.... nearly to the point of destruction.... of these forums.... by the concerted efforts of 1 or 2 children (from somethingaweful.com) who think it's humorous to pretend to be adults... with the sole intent of aggravating people... and disrupting real conversation... among real adults.

It's simply vandalism of these forums by children....  and it is sad.
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter to Bruce Wagner on: August 26, 2011, 08:24:56 AM
It's easy to see that there are two viewpoints...   clearly defined...

Those who attended.  

and....

Those who did not attend.

It was two completely different experiences.

If you did not attend, I'm sure it was about as lame as it gets.

If you did attend, as many will attest to, and have told me, "It was the most exciting conference I have ever attended."   ....is the typical comment I hear.

Two people looking in opposite directions... who think they are describing the same thing.

Anyway...  I think it will always be a completely different experience for those who do not attend, unfortunately.    After all, if it were the same....  There would be no benefit in getting together in person at all....   Right?

We will do better when it comes to streaming.     As it was happening even....  I was very upset that that was not happening right.    But, we did the best we could with the limited resources and help we had.

Please don't ever expect one of these conferences to be the same experience from home on tv.... as it would be attending one.

Also, I did not create the conferences for the media.   I created them for the developer and user community.    And, in that context, it was an enormous success...  as 100% of the people here who attended are attesting to.

As I said, we don't really need any more media attention at this very moment.   Those of you who think media = profit are so wrong.

We don't need media attention.   We need positive media attention.

And we will get plenty of that...   Once the developers finish all the projects they are working on right now.

The Conference was a tremendous success in aiding those developers...   by allowing them to meet, connect, and begin working closely with others... they can now work synergistically with each other more....   More.... Better... Faster.

As for the two big announcements I had....   I suppose I should have said what happened.    One of them got tabled.   I decided, after getting more and more feedback on the idea...  that I should postpone announcing it.   It's just too big....   and too risky...   for the moment.    But that idea might come back.   We'll see.

The other --- second --- big announcement was...   three more Conferences....  and a World Cruise.      Personally, I think that IS HUGE.    Don't you?   ( Please only answer if you attended this Conference.... so you have some real world frame of reference. )

Since then, I have already said that I am now working on adding 10 other cities to that list....  12 Cities Worldwide in Total.    Yes, this is going to be enormous.    But I don't need to tell you.   I'll show you.   You'll see.    I love a challenge.    Smiley

As for The Bitcoin Show...  I wasn't going to say anything...  But...  I'll have a little surprise for you....   within the next 2 days...    Stay tuned.
14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 25, 2011, 07:16:53 AM
I forgot to mention that...    We do have a booth at this year's upcoming CES.....   a Bitcoin Booth.   Email me if you want to know more about that.

Also, I think you Americans have the wrong ideas about places like Amsterdam and Pattaya.    Europeans are totally used to attending conferences in Amsterdam.    Asians are totally used to attending conferences in Pattaya.     Please don't impose American fears on places you've never even visited.    There needs to be a rule:   You don't get to tell us how much you disapprove of a place... unless you've first visited it.

Bottom Line:   You pick and choose the Conferences you wish to attend.   I expect very few people to actually attend them ALL.   Only a crazy person (like me) would try.

We have an entire PLANET to cater to.

Remember, we called it BitCon Asia for a reason.   Pattaya is a central place in Asia.    Flights are common and cheap.    The airport is new and world class or better.    Everything is extremely inexpensive there.

If you don't like the city.... skip that one.    I listed 12 cities....   Pick one you approve of, and go.

There are plenty of families with kids who will be attending in Pattaya and Amsterdam.     The city is only what you make it.

There are also plenty of people who are ecstatic that we included those two cities.

Also....   After giving it much thought, I realized that we do NOT have to pattern ourselves after DefCon or Comdex or CES.   

Bitcoin is new.     Bitcoin is ground-breaking.     Bitcoin is global.

We can make our own new rules.    ....and we have a whole planet to cater to.
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter to Bruce Wagner on: August 25, 2011, 06:57:03 AM

This was not just a Press Conference....    This was the world's first Bitcoin Conference.   I'm sorry if it didn't benefit those who did not attend enough... 

Perhaps one solution might be to.....  ATTEND the next one....?

The Press saying that they would be there..... was a side-effect....    It was not the purpose.

When we have something wonderful to promote...   Believe Me...   I do know how to get the Press' attention.    But we don't.    We're not ready.    The Press shows up when there is something newsworthy....  like ants at a picnic.

But we don't.   

Bitcoin still faces the big three challenges:

  • Security
  • Liquidity
  • Currency Risk
But....

Great new products and merchants using bitcoin, born from this conference, will do more to benefit us all then a temporary price bump (with a following difficulty bump) would.

This.       Smiley

What WILL come.....  as a direct result of this Conference....   is going to blow YOUR minds.....   and knock your alpaca socks off!   

.......much sooner than you think!
16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 24, 2011, 11:24:48 PM
Examples of Pattaya Resort Hotels:

(1)  http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=1549

(2)  http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pyxmc-pattaya-marriott-resort-and-spa/

And from this tool, http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=4900&From=THB&To=USD

You can see that rooms there range from US$163 to US$197.
17  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 24, 2011, 10:58:57 PM
Actually, Pattaya is CLOSER to the brand new Bangkok International Airport.... than Bangkok is... driving time wise.

Also, Pattaya in on the beach.  It has gorgeous resort hotels like The Ritz Carleton or the Four Seasons --- on the beach --- to choose from.... for the Conference.

Bangkok is a big ugly dirty city.    Trust me.    Everyone would like the places on the beach in Pattaya better than anywhere in Bangkok.

It amazes me at how critical people can be.... about places they've never been to... and things they've never attended... etc.

Anyway, you'll love the 5-star resorts on the beaches of Pattaya....  for about maybe 10% of the cost of the same room in the US.

Oh, and the last time I was there....   The hotel sends a Mercedes limo and driver to the airport to pick you up... no extra charge.

Speak of what you know.
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter to Bruce Wagner on: August 24, 2011, 10:01:09 PM

To those who say that I should have asked people to help with the live streaming and recording of the events, breakout sessions, etc...    See this post -- where I did exactly that:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6150.msg465119#msg465119   

I also tweeted that to 12 or 13,000 followers on Twitter and Facebook.

To those who say that I should have asked for volunteers to help with Conference preparations and in general....   See this post -- where I did exactly that:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6150.msg464047#msg464047

That blast also went to 12 or 13,000 followers on Twitter and Facebook, in addition to here in the forum thread.

I would love to have seen attendees live stream more.    Almost every one of them has the technology to do so.... in their pocket.

However, I do NOT blame them.     They came to the Conference to experience it themselves.... and to have conversations (private conversations, in many cases) which they would not necessarily want broadcast to the world.

I am grateful for the few who did stream it.    We were able to make a decent recording of the speeches.   We had Only One (OnlyOne, get it) working laptop, unfortunately.    And that laptop was needed to process the constant flow of incoming registrations / admissions.

Yeah.... That's a lame excuse.   We need to buy more laptops.   And attendees need to stream more too.

But, all in all, it was an AMAZING Conference.

For the record, I think  ---  No, I KNOW  ---  that the value of this WORLD'S FIRST Bitcoin Conference came from the private conversations with the genius minds that were in attendance...    Those private conversations could not be streamed to the world.

Even if there had been 1000 times more media coverage....   The value would have mostly been the private conversations....   at the bar afterward....   in the restaurants.... etc.     That's where the REAL magic happened.

I may not check this thread frequently.   I've commented on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6150.msg478104#msg478104
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 24, 2011, 08:05:15 PM

Yes.   We agree.    The OnlyOneTV Team agrees that the lack of live streams was a big fail.    I assure you that that won't happen again.

Fortunately, all the videos are viewable at http://onlyonetv.com now.

I may as well announce what I've been working on the past 48 hours....

Upcoming Bitcoin Conferences:

Dubai, Pattaya, Sydney, San Francisco, Mumbai, Amsterdam, Moscow, Tokyo, Rio de Janeiro, New York, Shenzhen, and London

See Map:  http://goo.gl/tjjQD

The only dates that have been officially announced are:

  • Pattaya / Feb 16-19, 2012
  • Amsterdam / June 14-17, 2012
  • New York City / Oct 18-21, 2012
  • Bitcoin World Cruise / Feb 26-Mar 10, 2013

As we work out the details, final dates, venues, etc....  we will be posting them on http://bitcoinconference.com and here in this thread.

My hope is that each of these cities could have a recurring Bitcoin Conference annually.

Obviously, planning this many Bitcoin Conferences is an enormous undertaking....   But I have taken on enormous undertakings before.     Wish me luck.    Smiley
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 22, 2011, 10:44:07 PM
As I said before, I cannot guarantee that when someone tells me, "We'll be there!"  ...that they actually WILL be there.

Every one of those news organizations told me that they would be there, or that they "were very interested in" being there.  

The Press that was in attendance -- that I know of -- includes:

  • Wired Magazine
  • The New York Observer
  • Scientific American
  • IEEE
  • Gawker Media

...and a few others I can't remember right now.

ALSO...

According to Manny, the manual head count done during the Keynotes was approximately 120 - 140 people.   However, many people came Thursday through Friday and could not be there on Saturday.   Also, many people flowed through during the day, and were out in private meetings during those times...  And, some key people did not arrive until Sunday... for example, Jered from TradeHill could not arrive until Sunday.

So, my guess is that we had a total of 150+ people, in all.

HOWEVER...

As I have said many times before....  It's all about the QUALITY.... not the QUANTITY... or the people.

If you wonder how the event really went....   ask someone who was actually there.

And...

JUST WAIT till you see what we have in store for Pattaya....
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