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1301  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 16, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.

If you (or anyone else) ever find another "bizzaro streak of blocks", please do a getinfo and see if you have connections, and if so, how many. Because if you have like 6-8 connections and get such a streak, then likely something more that just "connection loss" is afoot.

Having said that, if network issues start causing orphaning of large ammount of blocks, that could be detected when studying the blockchain. According to ArtForz, so far there is no indication that the amount of orphans "on whole" is higher that normal.

P.S.:
coblee, could you PM me the timestamps and txid  on those orphans (should be in listtransactions) ?



I did check. I have 8 connections. Since the blocks were consecutive, it makes me thing I was isolated somehow. I will PM you with timestamps and txids.
1302  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 16, 2011, 05:39:40 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.
1303  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How are the new solidcoin accounts mached to old accounts? on: September 16, 2011, 05:32:51 PM


Unfortunately there isn't much I can do to those people who lost BTC/NMC. And if it wasn't for the SC restart, there wouldn't be anything I could do for SC users either.

You can't do anything as well about the SC that people BOUGHT with BTC on the exchange, before the shutdown, and stayed in their exchange accounts. This obviously is not in the blockchain but in Mr.Moon's database

Or are you going to return them to those others who deposited them in the exchange in the first place? Therefore STEALING them from those who legitimately purchased them?

So all those "lucky" others who deposited their mined SC on Moonco.in, and were lucky to exchange them for BTC and take the BTC out of the exchange before it shut down, will be rewarded by having their SC back?

I hope you do understand that this means you are actually rewarding Solidcoin-dumpers-for-BTC and sticking it up to those who might have wanted to invest in the future of Solidcoin by transferring BTC and buying SC on Moonco.in.

I also hope that the above example shows that restart of the chain coupled with redistribution of the coins from a central point creates many-many f*** ups which you probably haven't thought about as well.

+1

And how about those users that transferred SC from a pool to the exchange directly. Are you going to be sending SC to the pool?

Making these decisions to taking coins from a bad exchange and give it back to the people might seem like the right thing to do. But what makes you the dictator to be able to make this decision? This is supposed to be a decentralized currency. Not just a currency where one person can decide to shutdown the network, restart it in 2 weeks with a new version, and have all coins redistributed as he sees fit. Imagine if bitcoin was restarted after the mybitcoin theft to redistribute the bitcoins that mybitcoin stole!

If you really want to distribute it, then distribute it to exactly to those same addresses that held the coin in the old blockchain.
1304  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 16, 2011, 12:53:36 AM
Um, I am no actuarian coblee, but it seems to me that the original bitcoin paper does not state that probability of attacker success is a function of time.

Instead, it says that "Given our assumption that p > q, the probability drops exponentially as the number of blocks the attacker has to catch up with increases"

Again, I might be missing an elephant in the room of these arcane mathematications, but it appears that probability of attacker's success is claimed to drop off with the number of blocks, not the time spent making them, which would mean that "6 valid blocks in a net running at block per 15 secs" are as hard to overpower as  "6 valid blocks in a net running at 1 block per 10 minutes" (assuming hashrate distributions for attacker and good guys match in both of them, of course).

Yes, the the original paper does say that, and it's true. 6 GG confirms is much more secure than 5 GG confirms, which is much more secure than 4 GG confirms. But the paper doesn't say anything about comparing the security between 10 min blocks and 15 sec blocks. Given the same block times, each additional confirmations makes the probability of successful attack drop off exponentially. But if you try to compare the 2 chains, 1 BTC confirmation is as secure as 40 GG confirmations.

1305  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 16, 2011, 12:06:14 AM
Thus, 1 is neat, 2 is secure, 3 is verily secure, everything above 3 even more secure to the point of paranoia at 6 and "you should probably buy something on Silk Road" at above 6
You need to run your Geist Gold proxied through Tor to understand why you are wrong. Satoshi was probably over-conservative. You are certainly over-optimistic.

Lolcust, I think you are overly optimistic about this. 6 geist confirmations is definitely not enough to be secure. A common misconception about bitcoin is that the number of confirmations determines how safe your transaction is from a double spend attack. In reality it's how much time since your transaction that determines how safe it is. This is because the amount of time determines how likely an attack will succeed.

For example, if an attacker has 33% of the network hashrate, he has to be twice as lucky than the other miners in order to create more blocks than everyone else. It's much more likely to be twice as lucky for a period of 90 seconds (6 geist confirmations) than it is for a full 1 hour (6 bitcoin confirmations).
1306  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 14, 2011, 11:23:17 PM
45 Geist Geld coins will (I think) forever be gone.  I had 45 before my computer decided to crash and I reformatted HDD. 

45 is not a multiple of 7. I call BS!

just kidding. :p
1307  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 13, 2011, 08:17:44 PM
Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

Eh ?

So instead of being open and telling people about your 7 mil pre-mined coins, you expect people to deduce that you mined some coins by the fact that you said "bounty" and using "100% squeaky clean" coins. Well, bounty coins can be mined after the coin has been published. And 100% squeaky clean coins can be mined afterwards for your laundry also. It doesn't necessarily mean you had to pre-mine them. But that's besides the point. You purposely did not mention that you pre-mined 7 million coins because you knew people would not mine your coins if you did that. Tell me that's not true.

I don't doubt that you have good intentions with those 7 mil pre-mined coins. But hiding information is not a good way to go about it and it definitely hurt the trust people have in you and your coins now.
1308  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 13, 2011, 08:06:54 PM
Here's your first post. Now explain how you can conveniently "forget" to mention this important thing about 7 million pre-mined coins.
I mean I'm ok with pre-mined used to benefit a coin with bounties and the laundry idea. And 7 million might be a bit excessive. But not mentioning it before you got people to mine your coin is unacceptable.

UTC 7:13 9.9.2011

-- [Critical] update 13/11, please download new version (if you like the "crutches" pseudo-GUI, download the "crutches" version since pseudo-gui was updated too) or update from Github--

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Hello everybody !


Ladies and gentlemen, it is that time again - cryptocurrency of the week time!

Has it been too long since the last one started ?

Is it too soon ?

Who knows. Without further ado, I hereby present you, the Geist Geld!

 https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld

Geist Geld is an experimental currency intended to test out the limits of block generation rate empirically, as well as (assuming it does not die due to overly rapid block generation rate) the behavior of a cryptocurrency with (almost) stable generation rate and no upper limit or alteration to supply.

Geist Geld intentionally seeks to trade some decentralization to gain more transaction speed, thus, pools are kindly invited to participate so that centralization would increase somewhat

Now, with your kind permission, some infrequently asked questions

Why not call it "Flaccid Coin" ?

Actually, name is the idea of the person who kept motivating me to go through with the project.
It is not a bad name - it neatly abbreviates to GG or GEG, it sounds sort of cool (all German words do) and most importantly, it does not follow the stale and confusing naming scheme of %random_word%coin (which, quite frankly, makes differentiating between alt-coins quite a chore)

Why did you decide to remove all alterations of production over time ?

It seemed like an interesting thing to try out.

If Bitcoin's approach can be metaphorically compared to mining an (ever decreasing) amount of gold, GeistGeld's approach can be metaphorically compared to "idealized" solar power, when output is stable (barring a few "flares" when a new big pool joins, of course Smiley )

The block rate is too fast !

That's not a question.
However, I see little reason for concern.

See, GG is specifically intended as an experiment for empirically assessing "cryptocurrency" behavior under such conditions. Worst that can happen is that GG fails to deliver, but that is hardly a guaranteed outcome.

Only he who risks is free.

Why are you using Multicoin ?

Multicoin is a project with much potential and wonderful features (Escrow's already there, and more stuff on its way), and using it will allow Geist Geld to be proving ground for new ideas while benefiting from functional richness multicoin has potential to offer. If/when custom features /GUIs etc. will be developed for GG, they will be incorporated into MC (assuming the maintainers agree as to their value) and vice versa.

Generally, it's a streamlined and efficient approach to rolling out a new cryptocurrency, and I hope more BTC forks will use it as a starting point.

Why are you leeching on the Bitcoin community ?

To the contrary, not only am I not leeching, I happen to think that, should GG survive it's launch, it can serve as guinea pig for various optimizations that can be later implemented in Bitcoin (assuming real programmers take interest, of course), thus benefiting community at large.

Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

Where is the site?

Coming soon

Give me windows binaries!

Ok, here. (no GUI, and do investigate Multicoin to learn how to run this properly)

  http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymc9tito0mbj2l

However, for those who are extra-unhappy with GUI-less soft, a makeshift solution has been constructed from opensource portable console and a bunch of batch files.
   http://www.mediafire.com/?g8i4lx4qjf6phie  (<- recommended for windows users)
It's not pretty (at all), but it runs on windows out of the box. Includes configs and everything.

Any services ?

Assuming it lives past day 4, there will be exchanges, pools, and a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

What will  happen if the network sustain a block per 15 seconds ?

Geist Geld will push the limit further and up the ante by increasing it to 1 block per 7 seconds (BTW, I expect to also have "message signing" feature implemented in Geist Geld by that time Smiley)

That would probably allow for interesting stuff to take place...

=====ATTENTION! LINKS CHANGED! CRITICAL UPDATE ! DON'T FORGET TO DELETE PREVIOUS DATABASE FILES, THEY ARE NOW INVALID ![/url]=====


1309  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 13, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
The seven millions are legitimate, and are the bounties and laundry fund that I think I mentioned in the first post.

Wow, this was never mentioned. That's very sneaky of you. This is even worse than ixcoin. I'm glad this came out before I waste more time with this scamcoin.
1310  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 09, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
it seems after compiled in linux, it's bitcoin


Unzip Config+Blockchain/Geistgeld_Files.zip, copy the testnet directory somewhere, and move the bitcoin.conf file in there. Then run "bitcoind -datadir=DIR" to run it using the geist gild params.
1311  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld on: September 09, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
You didn't even change the unix makefile. So there's no way to build this for linux. Well, I guess I can't mine this coin. I got no Windows machine.
1312  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Flexible mining proxy on: September 08, 2011, 07:45:03 AM
This is long dead, though still working. I've read reports on this proxy loosing up to 10% of shares due to the code and/or apache not keeping up with the number of requests.

Please check your miner/proxy/pool stats and compare.

I've seen it slow down due to db getting too large. So I have to clean them out at least once a week doing this:

DELETE FROM `work_data` WHERE DATEDIFF(UTC_TIMESTAMP(), `time_requested`) > 0;
DELETE FROM `submitted_work` WHERE DATEDIFF(UTC_TIMESTAMP(), `time`) > 0;
1313  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SolidCoin 1.10 Preview on: September 08, 2011, 07:20:57 AM
If you want to get access to a beta before the public release join IRC and wait for the announcement.

Except those of us that are banned from the IRC channel. :p
1314  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Coinhunter is wasting his talent on: September 07, 2011, 12:10:36 AM
If anything, CoinHunter is making great use of his talent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
So the faster algorithm is all just a "confidence trick" right?

Yeah, it's faster, but it's not more secure. A bitcoin confirmation is 3.33 times more secure than a solidcoin confirmation.

Bitcoin can have fast transactions too. Just accept a transaction after you see it sent to the network: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
Sure, a double spend attack is possible. But unless the transaction amount is large, you really don't need to be worried about a double spend attack. So there you go, instant transactions but not secure.
1315  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Discussion between SolidCoin Founder and Gavin Andresen on: September 06, 2011, 10:19:44 PM
Given CoinHunter's egotistical behavior on the forums and on IRC, I can't fault ArtForz for attacking SolidCoin to try to put CoinHunter in his place.
That is such a shit argument for defending Art.  I think it is safe to say that there are just two wrongs that have been made and so people don't have to pick sides.   Art got shit on by CoinHunter, and instead of being a bigger person went on and fucked over other people based on one persons actions.

Or the alternative:

Art: Hey, here is an exploit, you should fix it
CH: Screw you fella!
***exploit remains active***
UNKNOWN: -attacks the chain even harder, causing a BIGGER issue-.


Um, exactly. Here's an easy attack:
- Fork SolidCoin and modify code to ignore huge transactions and to perform the mining cartel attack.
- Put 60 GHash on mining SolidCoin using your modded code.
- Create thousands of these huge transactions in secret and release them at the same time.
- This will crash every single node due to out of memory issue. And if the nodes don't crash, they will be extremely slow to process blocks and transactions.
- Your 60 GHash will likely have 51% of the total mining power.
- While everyone else is picking up pieces, you are happily performing the mining cartel attack and raping solidcoin for its easy block rewards.

ArtForz is smart enough and has the resources to pull this off. Yet he didn't. He just released 71 transactions one at a time.

So yes, I think ArtForz did the right thing to bring this problem to the surface because CH/RS is too stupid to realize it's a problem and too full of himself to listen to others.
1316  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Discussion between SolidCoin Founder and Gavin Andresen on: September 06, 2011, 10:11:22 PM
Given CoinHunter's egotistical behavior on the forums and on IRC, I can't fault ArtForz for attacking SolidCoin to try to put CoinHunter in his place.
That is such a shit argument for defending Art.  I think it is safe to say that there are just two wrongs that have been made and so people don't have to pick sides.   Art got shit on by CoinHunter, and instead of being a bigger person went on and fucked over other people based on one persons actions.

Now tell me how he "fucked over other people". It slowed down node processing of blocks. It wasn't even that slow. I remember CH/RS even boasted (don't remember forum or IRC) that even with this slow down, solidcoin is still confirming much faster than bitcoins. Sure, it crashed a few nodes due to the unintended transaction log growth. But this problem was quickly worked around by deleting the log files. All ArtForz did was to prove his point. Remember, his action did not cause the price of solidcoin to plummet. The price of solidcoin plummeted because CH/RS made a dick move to change the open source license. That was what "fucked over other people".

So ArtForz got shit on by CH/RS, and he performed a small attack to prove his point. Then CH/RS retaliated and pissed off everyone. I think what I heard recently on IRC summed this up perfectly: "don't piss on the heads of the giants whose shoulders you stand on"
1317  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Solidcoin Client Fully Open-Source! on: September 06, 2011, 09:57:06 PM
The unintended consequences of king douche bag's attack is though that he hurt a lot of people beyond Coinhunter even.  Thats where the ass hat looses 100% respect and credibility.  He also apparently know about other underlying bugs in the cryptocurrency systems which inadvertently killed peoples nodes (also from Bitcoin).  Yet the scum out here champions him as some great Hero of douche bag ville....  says a lot about this community.....

I'm not sure why you are defending CH/RS so much on these forums. It just seems like you are his minion or something OR that you get some benefit for doing it.

Did ArtForz hurt a lot of people's coins? Yes. But those were speculators speculating on a risky currency. They knew what they got into or should have known. The fact that it's risky is because the new currency is untested. With the code CH/RS put into it, you can't be sure it's not full of bugs. And they obviously had no idea that CH/RS will self destruct like that. So live and learn.

I actually believe that what ArtForz did was best for SolidCoin. It showed what kind of person CH/RS really is. It made a lot of people wise up and sell their SolidCoins before it was too late. If ArtForz did not expose SolidCoin's vulnerability *and* CH/RS's real self, SolidCoin's would have lasted a bit longer. More people would have bought in and be invested in this coin. All this (vulnerabilities and CH/RS's incompetence in fixing issues and his behavior) will inevitably come out at a later point. And when that happens, more people would have been hurt.

I actually take that back about ArtForz hurting a lot of people. He really didn't. His attack was pretty mild. It slowed down processing of blocks. It yielded an unintended side effect (that ArtForz was not previously aware of) of causing the transaction logs to grow too big. This caused some nodes to crash if they were running low on disk space. What hurt solidcoin more was CH/RS's half-ass buggy fix that did more damage than it fixed AND his other half-ass fix to fix his first fix. And according to ArtForz, the latest fix introduced yet another vulnerability of the blockchain growing uncontrollably. CH/RS's incompetence is hurting solidcoin more than ArtForz's attack.

And in the end, none of this hurt the price of solidcoins much at all. So no one was materially hurt by any of this until CH/RS decided to change the open source license. Was that a revenge move? This pissed off doublec enough to shutdown the largest exchange and it pissed off eleuthria enough to shutdown the largest pool. THAT was what caused the price to plummet, which hurt people. So I would argue that CH/RS hurt his own solidcoin supporters by making this dumbass move. Maybe we should investigate if he sold all his coins before the move, and bought them back cheap!
1318  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Discussion between SolidCoin Founder and Gavin Andresen on: September 06, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
So what is the whole story? Please do tell. And please be specific about who you are talking about, because to me "King Douche Bag" is synonymous with CoinHunter.

The whole story is ArtForz found weaknesses, CoinHunter ignored them, I actually went to CoinHunter privately and asked if he'd like me to help him go over them to see if it was a real problem and what the solutions might be, he flipped out on me, I walked off and laughed my ass off when ArtForz decided to prove the attack was real when CoinHunter was trying to pretend it was just "bitcoin attacking solidcoin", which of course he was paranoid about since he'd spread a bunch of lies about bitcoin when he released solidcoin.

What weakness did he actually claim to find?  On the public forum it alluded to 51% attacks not micro-transaction DDOSing...  How much time between even making that claim and making that attack (less than a day from what I recall)?  Am I wrong?

It doesn't matter how much time was between the claim and the attack. If CoinHunter had listened and worked with ArtForz, ArtForz would likely not have attacked the chain to prove the issue. And they could have taken weeks to put in a real fix that actually works.

On the forum, I think only the 51% attack was posted. He discussed the DDoS attack on the i0coin chatroom. Only ArtForz and CoinHunter know what exactly they discussed in private. But ArtForz said that he brought up the vulnerabilities to CoinHunter and was ignored. Given CoinHunter's egotistical behavior on the forums and on IRC, I can't fault ArtForz for attacking SolidCoin to try to put CoinHunter in his place. He's really too full of himself. Can's argue with that, right?

1319  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Discussion between SolidCoin Founder and Gavin Andresen on: September 06, 2011, 09:11:31 PM
I agree that CoinHunter's behavior is immature and not professional (I guess his age is under 25 and very likely under 20) but I don't suppose ArtForz is a good guy. If CoinHunter didn't admit SolidCoin's weekness, ArtForz should post his argument here to show how stupid and arrogant CoinHunter is instead of attacking SolidCoin.

ArtForz actually tried that and got nowhere.

Even if you were telling the 100% truth, King Douche Bag still shouldn't have done what he did.... the additional problem is you're not telling the whole story, you're cherry picking a piece of the story to fit your agenda.

So what is the whole story? Please do tell. And please be specific about who you are talking about, because to me "King Douche Bag" is synonymous with CoinHunter.
1320  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Solidcoin Client Fully Open-Source! on: September 06, 2011, 09:04:41 PM
CH/RS should really learn from Gavin instead of criticizing him for being a hacker supporter. When ArtForz approached CH/RS with the vulnerabilities in SolidCoin, he was basically told to get lost. So ArtForz got upset and did a fairly nice attack on the SolidCoin chain to prove his point. He sent these large transactions one at a time, which slowed down the network and actually showed another vulnerability in both Bitcoin and SolidCoin. He could have done a lot worse if he released a ton of these huge transactions at the same time. If he did that, it would have likely killed all the clients.

I assume ArtForz approached Gavin with this out of space vulnerability in Bitcoin. And instead of telling ArtForz to get lost, Gavin worked with him to fix the vulnerability. That's how a mature and competent lead on a big open source project is supposed to act. If someone is nice enough to come to you to tell you about a potential vulnerability, you work with him to fix it instead of pissing him off so that he would actually try to attack your chain with that vulnerability.

The unintended consequences of king douche bag's attack is though that he hurt a lot of people beyond Coinhunter even.  Thats where the ass hat looses 100% respect and credibility.  He also apparently know about other underlying bugs in the cryptocurrency systems which inadvertently killed peoples nodes (also from Bitcoin).  Yet the scum out here champions him as some great Hero of douche bag ville....  says a lot about this community.....

I'm not sure why you are defending CH/RS so much on these forums. It just seems like you are his minion or something OR that you get some benefit for doing it.

Did ArtForz hurt a lot of people's coins? Yes. But those were speculators speculating on a risky currency. They knew what they got into or should have known. The fact that it's risky is because the new currency is untested. With the code CH/RS put into it, you can't be sure it's not full of bugs. And they obviously had no idea that CH/RS will self destruct like that. So live and learn.

I actually believe that what ArtForz did was best for SolidCoin. It showed what kind of person CH/RS really is. It made a lot of people wise up and sell their SolidCoins before it was too late. If ArtForz did not expose SolidCoin's vulnerability *and* CH/RS's real self, SolidCoin's would have lasted a bit longer. More people would have bought in and be invested in this coin. All this (vulnerabilities and CH/RS's incompetence in fixing issues and his behavior) will inevitably come out at a later point. And when that happens, more people would have been hurt.
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