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41  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ANN] BYTEPAY [BEPAY] POW - MASTERNODESCAM - HODLSCAM - NEOSCAM CropCoin on: May 01, 2018, 11:17:26 PM

sigh. You really don't understand how crypto works or comprehend anything of what i said i see. It really is a shame that there are so many ignorant people around in the younger generation. I can see why you waste all your time chasing after worthless causes because you are simply unable to grasp the concept or the inner workings behind the entire scene right now. One day you will grow up and see that it's a dog eat dog world and that NO-1 should invest money into anything without re-searching it properly. You clearly talk of what you do not know, apart from dash EVERY masternode coin is a scam and every single one of the projects will fail. They are a make money now thing and none will be around in the future and the devs of all of these projects fully realize that and are taking advantage of the current crypto economic climate. For example "polis" is well respected among newbie masternode holders but do you really see everyone using polispay in the future? Of course not because it simply will not be able to get mass adoption and tbh why the hell would anyone want to use it. All these projects are total rubbish. At least osnwt's debate makes some good solid points and for the most part i don't disagree with him. He seems to understand the true reality of crypto as he has stated his problem is not with the coin but the dev himself. But you just have a problem with the whole system and you don't even realize it. Do you think that people in the crypto space are not here to make money but to follow some sort of ethical guide? Well that's not how things work i'm afraid. I'm not giving a speech about scamming is ok, i'm giving a speech about how to make money and not get caught up in the fanatic role or the policing the crypto scene role while the whales reap all the rewards. You need to get your piece of the pie to survive in this world it is crypto and full of drug dealers/money launderers/corrupt government officials and tax evaders not some ethics committee of girl scouts and church pastors.

You are right, I am being too idealistic about crypto and the world.  

I hope people will read what you said and make a more informed decision.

I would like to believe that not every coin is the definition of scam, some people have an actual vision and not there to just make quick profits. if I was going to invest in a coin, I would do it with a real vision and not the typical copy paste website, or unrealistic goals.

I see many people who join this space with the notion of making money long term, not just quick cash. I have not been around MN coins enough to know whether they will thrive or not, I only join projects with a development team and realistic goals.

90% of the coins will most likely fail as any business.

As much as I can see where you are coming from, I have to believe that there are good people out there and even if they lose their money at least it would be
on a real practical vision and not some scam coin and if they get lucky then even better. Grin

In the end stock market or crypto is mostly speculation.  


My only wish is that people stop fueling scammers like cropcoindev aka bytepaydev.











It is good to see that we have in fact found some common ground on some points. I was starting to think before that we will have to agree to disagree because our viewpoints were starting to seem like polar opposites.
But i do agree with you that it is unfortunate that there are so many unscrupulous players around but it is the world we live in and we have to do the best to make what we can from the situation.

I would like to see some new outstanding masternode coin emerge where everyone is a winner but the way masternodes are designed is almost like ponzi schemes unless they are made with a much lower roi to begin with than there are always going to be vast differences with early and later adopters and clear winners and losers on all of them.
42  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ANN] BYTEPAY [BEPAY] POW - MASTERNODESCAM - HODLSCAM - NEOSCAM CropCoin on: May 01, 2018, 10:03:54 PM
No that is not true at all. I am recommending to newbies especially how they can make money with masternodes and how to recover there funds so they don't end up at a loss and in a situation where they can't continue to trade. The problem i see with a lot of newbies is that they become loyalists/fanatics of coins and end up just holding and holding and saying statements like "i will never dump any of these coins for a year or so at least" or "don't dump under X amount of sats because you will regret it" which is entirely the wrong way to do things. And as for the scam jump on in anyways section i actually think all masternode coins are total rubbish aside from dash and if using your criteria nearly every single one of them is a scam because they all have large premines and are all clones and are all just another payment coin that will never be used. Do you think ANY of these coins will still be around in 10 years time? Does that make them ALL scams? People are into crypto to make money not to become fanatics of certain coins, i don't set up masternodes to join some cult i do it to make money. This is my full time job and if i do not make money i cannot pay my bills and feed my family and that is my priority. This is what happens in an unregulated marketplace and if people don't like it than they shouldn't trade in crypto and should stick to the stock markets with low return "legit" investments" instead but as you know the potential rewards are much much less. If you take risk away from crypto investments the returns will not be what they are now which is why this is not what is wrong with crypto but what is exactly how it should be.


You do realize that the only way for people to come out of loss is to scam the next guy, if people ever done their homework about any coin they invest in, then their odds of not being scammed would be higher.

Also saying that every crypto project is a scam is false. Yes crypto is very high risk because like any company it has a 90% chance of failing. That is life though and it was not meant to be a scam.

There are plenty of coins out there that are not ROI ONLY based, and they actually want to create something in the crypto space, whether it will successful or not is another story, but they are not SCAM.

Your only high return is off of fools that have no clue about crypto and buy into scam coins, and you are proud of it too.

As I stated before, people like you is what makes crypto look bad.  I don't give a damn about your family sentiments, because you are scamming people off THEIR MONEY, you are potentially taking away money from another guy who needs it.

As I stated before, if people would not invest in scam coins then this space would've been a better place, maybe not HIGH ROI, which only few people most likely get out of this whole ordeal, only the last guys are the losers.

I just don't know why people like you bother giving this whole speech about how scamming people is OK, I'd just keep quiet somewhere and keep it to myself.

sigh. You really don't understand how crypto works or comprehend anything of what i said i see. It really is a shame that there are so many ignorant people around in the younger generation.
I can see why you waste all your time chasing after worthless causes because you are simply unable to grasp the concept or the inner workings behind the entire scene right now.
One day you will grow up and see that it's a dog eat dog world and that NO-1 should invest money into anything without re-searching it properly. You clearly talk of what you do not know, apart from dash EVERY masternode coin is a scam and every single one of the projects will fail.
They are a make money now thing and none will be around in the future and the devs of all of these projects fully realize that and are taking advantage of the current crypto economic climate. For example "polis" is well respected among newbie masternode holders but do you really see everyone using polispay in the future? Of course not because it simply will not be able to get mass adoption and tbh why the hell would anyone want to use it. All these projects are total rubbish.

At least osnwt's debate makes some good solid points and for the most part i don't disagree with him. He seems to understand the true reality of crypto as he has stated his problem is not with the coin but the dev himself.
But you just have a problem with the whole system and you don't even realize it. Do you think that people in the crypto space are not here to make money but to follow some sort of ethical guide? Well that's not how things work i'm afraid.

I'm not giving a speech about scamming is ok, i'm giving a speech about how to make money and not get caught up in the fanatic role or the policing the crypto scene role while the whales reap all the rewards. You need to get your piece of the pie to survive in this world it is crypto and full of drug dealers/money launderers/corrupt government officials and tax evaders not some ethics committee of girl scouts and church pastors.
43  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ANN] BYTEPAY [BEPAY] POW - MASTERNODESCAM - HODLSCAM - NEOSCAM CropCoin on: May 01, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
il'l reply here because our other debate was deleted for spamming the thread.

My advice to you and all investors is get in on masternode coins right at the start and than don't hold everything you make like you seem to have done on cropcoin. Dump until you have your money back and a small profit than you can hold with no risk associated. I have done this exact thing with at least 30 masternode coins and i am yet to fail with this strategy. Even coins being called scams by people like yourself such as race/tokugawa/sparks and banq i made a good profit from with my masternodes before the decrease in price. Bytepay has a good few months of high roi at the very least in it which is really what us investors care about and which i personally will take advantage of. Even though your question is asked in sarcasm i will respond anyhow, i wouldn't be setting up a cropcoin masternode because it is too late to start new nodes now for that coin, i would be setting up a bytepay one instead. If you want to make a quick earn off cropcoin you could just buy/sell it a few times because i think the price will fluctuate between 3k.-4.5ksats for the next few days. What i do find astounding though is that even after being in the crypto world for this long some people still don't seem to have worked out how it all works when it is the easiest place possible to make a hell of a lot of cash. Now please stop wasting your time with witch hunts and make yourself some money from the crypto space because that is what it is all really about.

As much as I want to admit that I'm not tempted with what you are saying, people like you is what destroying crypto.  You are basically saying if you aware it's a scam then jump it anyways and then scam the next guy with it, as long as you are making money you are doing the right thing.

If people are aware a coin is a scam and not buy into it then that scam will die very fast, instead you fueling the scam even more and ultimately you scam the person who is going to lose all his money in the end, if that makes you feel like a good human being then I feel sorry for our planet.

We should not be telling people to buy scam because it's a good way of making money, we should tell people not to buy the scam because this is not what crypto is all about.

Ultimately the person who is making the most money is the "developer" himself, in this case it's cropcoindev and his new current name Bytepaydev.

cropcoindev/Bytepaydev is probably laughing right now at every person who is helping his scams thrive, and whenever he mentions some gimmick you guys are all over it.

His latest gimmick is the oneclick masternode, he most likely is catering to the newbies of crypto so it's easier to scam them due to the ease of set up, this is not about helping people, it's about creating easier ways of taking advantage of them.

No that is not true at all. I am recommending to newbies especially how they can make money with masternodes and how to recover there funds so they don't end up at a loss and in a situation where they can't continue to trade. The problem i see with a lot of newbies is that they become loyalists/fanatics of coins and end up just holding and holding and saying statements like "i will never dump any of these coins for a year or so at least" or "don't dump under X amount of sats because you will regret it" which is entirely the wrong way to do things. And as for the scam jump on in anyways section i actually think all masternode coins are total rubbish aside from dash and if using your criteria nearly every single one of them is a scam because they all have large premines and are all clones and are all just another payment coin that will never be used. Do you think ANY of these coins will still be around in 10 years time? Does that make them ALL scams? People are into crypto to make money not to become fanatics of certain coins, i don't set up masternodes to join some cult i do it to make money. This is my full time job and if i do not make money i cannot pay my bills and feed my family and that is my priority. This is what happens in an unregulated marketplace and if people don't like it than they shouldn't trade in crypto and should stick to the stock markets with low return "legit" investments" instead but as you know the potential rewards are much much less. If you take risk away from crypto investments the returns will not be what they are now which is why this is not what is wrong with crypto but what is exactly how it should be.
44  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ANN] BYTEPAY [BEPAY] POW - MASTERNODESCAM - HODLSCAM - NEOSCAM CropCoin on: May 01, 2018, 08:03:19 AM
What the Bytepay dev idiot made so far
Can't agree with that: he is NOT an idiot. He does exactly what he wants: he makes money. And here he is very good.


il'l reply here because our other debate was deleted for spamming the thread.

My advice to you and all investors is get in on masternode coins right at the start and than don't hold everything you make like you seem to have done on cropcoin. Dump until you have your money back and a small profit than you can hold with no risk associated.
I have done this exact thing with at least 30 masternode coins and i am yet to fail with this strategy.

Even coins being called scams by people like yourself such as race/tokugawa/sparks and banq i made a good profit from with my masternodes before the decrease in price. Bytepay has a good few months of high roi at the very least in it which is really what us investors care about and which i personally will take advantage of.

Even though your question is asked in sarcasm i will respond anyhow, i wouldn't be setting up a cropcoin masternode because it is too late to start new nodes now for that coin, i would be setting up a bytepay one instead.

If you want to make a quick earn off cropcoin you could just buy/sell it a few times because i think the price will fluctuate between 3k.-4.5ksats for the next few days. What i do find astounding though is that even after being in the crypto world for this long some people still don't seem to have worked out how it all works when it is the easiest place possible to make a hell of a lot of cash.

Now please stop wasting your time with witch hunts and make yourself some money from the crypto space because that is what it is all really about.
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What Masternode's are you investing in. on: May 01, 2018, 06:41:59 AM
Just bought a GDC one. I lucked out and got it really cheap as someone dumped 8 Masternodes worth of coin on the market and i was there at exactly the right time. the price has since recovered and now it's already x2.8 what i paid for it. But check it out it's a really good new masternode coin : https://masternodes.online/currencies/GDC/
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