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2181  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / What's with mybitcoin.com?? on: June 15, 2011, 11:55:51 AM
I put some BTC I mined into an account there and I have not been able to login for almost a week now. There are no contact details at the site besides a link that requires you to log in in the first place! It keeps saying down for maintenance but this is getting ridiculous.

Is this a scam or what?
2182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wikileaks now takes Bitcoin. on: June 15, 2011, 07:36:08 AM
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Twitter update.

This is going to have bigger implications than we can imagine.

One small step for freedom. One giant leap for Bitcoin.
2183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your ideological evolution. on: June 14, 2011, 10:45:45 AM

If option 3 is taken, should one party screw another, they damaged party goes to the arbitration firm, and the two parties hash it out until both are satisfied. Refusal to arbitrate means loss of contract with the firm, probably a black-balling from any other firm, and thus, inability to do anything with anyone. Essentially, they're stuck with option 1. (and nobody's likely to trust them)


This notion of "arbitration firm" will require coercive force totaling at-least the biggest party in the agreement; leaving the minor party the weakest and vulnerable to coercion from both the "arbitration firm" and major party.

The intentions of "major party" and "arbitration firm" underpin your whole argument.


[Rant]

Further to me "arbitration firm" is an "institution", an will require a "coercive payment". This actually shows that coercion arises from the selfish nature of agents that occupy all three parties. Major and minor parties know that both parties will on average behave in a selfish manner therefore there is the need for arbitration, but this arbitrating party also puts itself at risk therefore requires compensation. For any "fair transaction" to occur then an arbitrating party will always be necessary.

Eureka! To me this shows that no matter what practical ideology you have there will always be coercion/coercive payment........ To coercion arises because of the selfish nature of agents. Not because of guns, muscles, etc, but intentions.

The coercive potential of a party is defined as:

C.P(party) = Strength(party) * Intention(party);

Lets assume that Strength(party) is a measure of energy/mass.

Therefore given two parties Party(1) and Party(2) with C.P(1) and C.P(2) respectively and lets assume for "human interactions" to work there needs to be an arbitrator with C.P(arbit.) equal to max(C.P(1),C.P(2)).

Now approximate the cost of arbitration by the size of Strength(Arbitration-Party) and use this as the "taxation cost".

So given that

Taxation = Strength(Arbitration-Party) then
Taxation = max(C.P(1),C.P(2))
Taxation = C.P(Major-Party)
Taxation = Strength(Major-Party) * Intention(Major-Party).

But lets assume that we live in a universe where the Major-Party will take from the Minor-Party if Strength(Major-Party) > Strength(Minor-Party), then
Taxation = Strength(Major-Party)

Interpretations

Taxation can be reduced by a more altruistic intention.

Reduce the cost of taxation by shaping parties intentions.

For arbitration to be effective in a universe containing only selfish agents, taxation needs to be equal to Strength(Major-Party).

Notes

The intention of Arbitration Party is expected to be fully altruistic and fulfill its role as Arbitrator.

Maybe if you could explain in real world examples because your argument seems very abstract and hard to understand.
2184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Urban Dictionary accepted my definition on: June 14, 2011, 08:49:58 AM

Haha, awesome.
2185  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How libertarianism helps the poor on: June 14, 2011, 08:45:49 AM
We've already seen the results of unregulated capitalism in this country at the beginning of the 20th century - with workers earning just barely enough to survive, paid in company scrip that could only be redeemed on overpriced items at the company store.

I don't see how anyone could argue in good conscience that we should go back to that unless the only things they've ever read on the subject were highly-biased works by stuffy economists with a vested interest in ignoring or discounting the suffering of regular people. You owe it to yourself to read books from more diverse points of view. I'd recommend you check out The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. It's old enough to be in the public domain, so you can read it for free: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/140

MAJOR FAIL!

Research what you are arguing against next time so you don't look like a fool with your nonsense strawman argument.

How was there "unregulated capitalism in this country at the beginning of the 20th century" when the govt ran schools, collected numerous taxes and tarrifs, monopolized justice, police, military all paid for by unwilling tax-victims.

2186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Isn't deflation theft, too? on: June 14, 2011, 02:03:09 AM
No. You've got it all wrong. Inflation and deflation are just economic phenomena and neither are inherently theft. They become a tool of theft when combined with governmental power that monopolizes creation of currency and enforces legal tender laws. Without this anyone can trade freely to whatever they want to increase/preserve wealth. I think fiat currencies have skewed peoples minds. That stuff is not anything. It's just an IDEA used to facilitate trade and measure wealth. I.e. so that I can know how many chickens = how many cows.

If there is massive inflation or deflation that means the particular currency you are using is not a good money (anymore). Think of it as a physical product that makes trade easier just like a pc is for a store that sells online and in-person. What is happening with coinage and legal tender laws is that the govt declares that it has a sole monopoly on producing trade facilitators, then they proceed to lower quality and increase prices. It's the force that makes it theft, not the fact that someone else is benefiting.

As was said earlier, you still have 1 loaf of bread and you still have 1 dollar. You can still eat the bread and the dollar is still paper, so they still have their inherent use value. What has changed is their exchangability, which, is a highly subjective concept and depends on others' opinion of your dollar. You cannot own others' opinion on property which you may or may not own.
2187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bringing down the Federal Reserve on: June 14, 2011, 12:38:03 AM
Unfortunately it is the only system people can turn to. It has legal legitimacy, huge amounts of power, a well connected network, etc. But in the last two decades the internet has undermined information communications to an extent that many governments have been powerless (see wikileaks) Bitcoins has even more advantages compared to wikileaks, so theoretically the Bitcoin currency could very well prosper while the governments of the world wash their hands over the matter.

And wikileaks is largely a psy-op.

Wonder why they never cover anything damning regarding the US or the UK?  Just tabloid stuff but for enemies of NATO they release more groundbreaking stuff.  Google the Cass Sunstien and his connection to wikileaks for starters.


I'm not completely convinced that wikileaks is for real as well but I just googled that stuff and it just seems like assertive bullshit to me.
2188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I'm tired of being poor and even worse I'm black on: June 14, 2011, 12:15:28 AM
Ohh Hail The Messiah, Obama Obama...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4
2189  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [Pool] EcoCoin - Offset your carbon footprint! Profits buy trees and rainforest on: June 10, 2011, 08:16:35 AM
awesome idea, I hope it's as user friendly as deepbit otherwise Undecided
2190  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much demand is coming from Silk Road? on: June 10, 2011, 08:03:08 AM
forget the users... where are all the drug lords who need easy ways to move their money all over the world?  Grin
They'll never use bitcoins too risky. They want cash. How would they turn bitcoins into cash without the transaction being tracked?




Coin Tumbling
2191  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is the Russian Federation so interested in Bitcoin on: June 10, 2011, 03:02:44 AM
Russians are extremely interested:
1) Ease way to move money. Even high corruption level did not help with avoiding high taxes and fees in that field anymore. At list for regular citizens.
2) Way to save money. Instability of Ruble is known, and regular citizen have no even a bit of trust in government regulation of it. 1998 year was harsh, and will not be forgotten for next 30-50 years (next 1 or 2 generations).
  2a) Russian citizens cant trust the dollar, for their savings - that paranoia is in our genome. Looks like it good practise (my own paranoia  Huh).
  2b) We see, that for unknown reason Russian government trust dollar to much, and that makes us more suspicious to our government and                   dollar both. ( Russian mentality always counts government like somebody who wants to cheat you. And, of course, you should answer with cheating  government when possible, but this is another story).
  2c) We cant trust in euro, because it is wired to tight with IMF (and they wired to $).
  2d) We cant trust in oil prices, because oil prices are instable.
  2e) We hardly can use gold, diamonds and precious metals, - they are overtaxed (Prisons here are not so comfortable).
3) Opportunity for FREE (relatively) money. Price of electricity  is steel low, relatively to European country's.
4) We just like to try something new (well, you should not be surprised - 1917, 1991 as fresh examples).
5) We are ambitious and lazy together. I am doubt that you will find any Russian immigrant  working in some dumb  house cleaning business more than 5 years after arriving in new country.

Well, there is always something else. Maybe i am mistaken somewhere. Feel free to discuss.

Thumbs up, Russians Wink
2192  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is the Russian Federation so interested in Bitcoin on: June 09, 2011, 05:32:43 PM
The Russians experienced hyperinflation during the last days of the soviet union. They know what it feels like to have your life savings stolen by the elites through inflation, so they don't have the irrational fear of deflation that Bernanke's worshipers have.
2193  Economy / Economics / Re: Market open/close time? on: June 09, 2011, 04:55:59 PM
I a not sure exactly but I know it opens at midnight. The time zone is close to ine and I am GMT +8. I suspect it might be the same timezone as Japan where Mt Gox is allegedly located.
2194  Economy / Economics / Re: BTC Approaching Current Price of Silver on: June 09, 2011, 04:53:11 PM
Sorry, but here the price of silver is 824€/kg... What's the weight of a bitcoin? 1oz or 1kg?

He's quoting in Troy Ounce, about 30g
2195  Economy / Economics / Re: Did gold ever drop to worthless? on: June 09, 2011, 04:46:59 PM
Well, the only reason that gold or any other currency has is that you know that someone else will accept it in exchange for what you want. So I'd image gold only becoming worthless during catastrophic disasters where the only things of value are water, food, shelter etc.
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