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901  Local / Altcoins (criptomonedas alternativas) / Re: Dash [DASH] (Darkcoin). Información y novedades. Actuali. OBLIGATORIA a ver 11.2 on: June 07, 2015, 09:04:40 AM

wena exposicion, con la musica de fondo de la apertura de las ambar !  Grin

Eran Estrellas, por Dios! Qué estamos en Barcelona!  Grin
902  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: June 06, 2015, 12:49:50 AM
Nice job ;-)
Do you have the slides ?

Sure Smiley

Fernando made it:

http://prezi.com/vrcwsuziyeww/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy&rc=ex0share
903  Local / Altcoins (criptomonedas alternativas) / Re: Dash [DASH] (Darkcoin). Información y novedades. Actuali. OBLIGATORIA a ver 11.2 on: June 06, 2015, 12:30:33 AM


Charla sobre Dash en la Barcelona BTC Community - 26 de mayo de 2015

https://youtu.be/wj-5sBFHQAU

904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: June 06, 2015, 12:19:48 AM
Dash Talk - Barcelona Bitcoin Community - May 26, 2015

https://youtu.be/wj-5sBFHQAU

Speakers: Fernando and Evan

This is a homemade video made with limited resources. I hope you enjoy it.  Smiley


(tnks tungfa  Wink )
905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: June 05, 2015, 10:33:53 AM


almost done  Wink
906  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: June 04, 2015, 06:35:46 PM

Darkcoin had some forks too. It's the price you pay for the active development; developers take risks. I hope it ends well.
907  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DASH dev kidnapped by ALIENS and implanted with crypto-tracker chip on: June 03, 2015, 08:13:32 AM
The saddest thing is all this (last) shit storm is because of this:

908  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash the unlicensed pyramid game is nearing the bottom on: June 02, 2015, 11:29:20 AM


That was a govt sponsored post IMO.

You got me!, I am James Bond and  Illodin is Moneypenny  Grin

I asked one of the core developers to answer your nonsense. Please try to keep some dignity to FUD, tnks.

Oh, I see we have a new FUD thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1077613.0

Enough for me, I'm out  Wink
909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 02, 2015, 08:42:34 AM

What a nice research!

And now, please, you can talk about this:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf


And this:

Quote

That probability depends on every transaction using 4 rounds of mixing (not likely), as well as assembling a 100% complete transaction, which isn't necessary for an attacker to draw hasty conclusions.

yep, but if you do the calculation using just one round it's still a huge number of days.

As for complete transactions, I agree that's not included....but I was answering your 'gun in the crowd' point, which has a probabilty of near 1, which is astronomically different to the proabilities we're talking about here.

Quote
It would be nice to know what are the average or most comonly used mixing rounds in a darksend, and calculate probability based on that. Or, even better, calculate attacker probability based on the minimum allowable amount of mixing, to establish a "worst case scenario" or baseline probability.

ok i'll do it then Smiley

with 15% of the network compromised and just one round of darksend per transaction the probability is 3.32526E-17 or .0000000000000000332526

mutiply by 1,000,000 for transactions per day (which is a really big number of darksend transactions, by the way):

.0000000000332526

and divide into 1 for number of days to get a complete transaction:

30072836410


thank you,

Here's one to hold you over, Still searching for Fluffy's domination post.

G2M is correct. If you're able to do two-way mapping of hash functions, then everybody is collectively screwed independent of XMR v. DRK or on-chain v.

off-chain.

OK gotcha.

I wonder why people go on about the off-chain benefits....doesn't sound like any benefit at all in this case.

G2M is not correct, as he's probably not aware that Darksend doesn't reuse addresses.

Yet, the DRK I drksent to someone else is still forever recorded in my wallet with that person's public address. Even after importing it on a different computer. Imagine if they got my wallet dump?

Regardless of the inbetween, the end points are what we're talking about here. But that's okay anyways:

If my private key was capable of being compromised by TLA's, here's the transaction they would select, simply for no other reason other than that it  'looks' like a darksend transation, because it's creating darksend denominations: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?4fbe96210f828f5fbfd1c4859217d8fd76b2d3344325ec0ceae3d0cf1efd5ffd.htm

Then, when parsing the blockchain for those output addresses, they'd deftly reveal the private key to reveal if they've been spent, or just look for it on the blockchain. Because they're a TLA, they're interested in larger amounts first. Let's pick one of the 10 drk denominations:

Here's the first denomination of 10 that's gonna be my 10 drk to drksent. I know it's mine because it's an address that was in the last transaction:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?7c7cde0076f0169f42b7a6ee863d4a24929d33c4558e5123a8a9cd415cc8d607.htm
    6   4fbe96210f828f5f...:26   XfeJKzKEJUtVDYvuv7vF9jJKkF3Dx23ft6   10.0001 DASH

Anyways, let's say that out of those 9, XcRHvNsezZzKB6U7sejx2EPUKjkFkrSEm3 is the address that correlates to me. It goes to this tx: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?1655733.htm

Because we're dealing with a situation where rsa/ecc are compromisable in the first place, I'd simply just go ahead and plug into all of the masternodes because encryption is bunk. Seeing as how their IP's are easily discoverable and public knowledge, I'd simply go ahead and sign into it as a remote user, because again cryptography/encryption just doesn't hold up anymore and then I'd go ahead and reveal all of their private keys to myself.

Next, I'd take the second transaction above, that was sent to a masternode and dump the private keys for all of those transactions (for luls). We have 9 transactions, being sent off on some time interval to some other masternode

So, when I'd like to discover when a masternode has sent someone some return DRK, I can just say "OH well I received this guy's 10 DRK, then sent it off to the next node". So I'd go ahead and see where that 10 DRK got sent to, because, you know, more cryptography. Basically I'd set up a table of masternode keys and just simply walk myself through the transactions one by one, until ... it leaves the masternode addresses (it would be insanely profitable, so how could I not?).

Anyways, from there it's pretty safe to say that the output address would be the same user as the three addresses above.

Finally here, I sent 29.0 of the mixed darksend: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?8ce9862e053bce9272f023a4c2654a30edaf6118dd430b6391e611e26ceb84b9.htm

For which, we will pick both of the 10 drk denominations which are from this transaction (also, this absolutely confirms that these inputs are from one person, which means 20 of the transactions in this are the same person): https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?8ce9862e053bce9272f023a4c2654a30edaf6118dd430b6391e611e26ceb84b9.htm

So going to the input side of that tx, just look for the only other tx that's capable of having >20 inputs, which is this transaction: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?1655916.htm, (c7a33d66547c65fa39b9a10511c5827c0353f6507c107118adae5bbc0d65da98)

EDIT: Wow, copying and pasting is balls, sorry for what I'm sure is the flame trail after this post that I didnt even read up to yet):
  (Follow those 20 inputs to the next tx - https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?1655874.htm
  ( Then once more - https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?1655733.htm)
  (and bam link


Stealth addressing - you'd have an absolutely miserable time doing what I just did if you used stealth addresses as well. Then they'd really need to get those private keys to make the work much less harder.

Of course, this is mostly useless. Likely compromised keys would be used to just spend unspent output, and steal. Because crypto's not going anywhere fast. Nobody cares much about the private financial history of something like a DRK or and XMR user. I'm really just compromising private keys for luls, because the lack of stealth addressing and knowing that change goes to the miners makes identification of the actual money trivial to identify.

Now that I've spent this godawful amount of time doing this, can someone please return the favor and walk me through the same thing for XMR? Preferrably someone that favors DRK, yet is curious about XMR. If not that's fine.

Also, Because it took me much less time to actually trace my tx, than it actually took to complete the tx (I spent a lot of time waiting), this means real-time monitoring is a possibility, therefore not fungible if private keys are compromisable.

Oh, god, 60 replies since I started writing this. I haven't read any of them since I quoted illodin



Here you go Aleix,  Grin

After your're done refuting my last three posts, we can start again. I'm not getting paid to do research you should have done before you invested in this coin.

v 3 posts down--thought you'd like seeing the classy responses from dashers too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/

Let me quote myself:

Please be specific, then maybe I can help you or guide you  to someone who can help (or maybe you are adressing a new vector attack that we need to cover, that would be very welcomed!)

From UdjinM6, today:

Quote
I'm really sorry for author's time wasted on this "research" but this is a complete nonsense at the first place: your private keys never moves from your wallet to MNs and none of MNs has any control of your funds -> there are no private keys stored on MNs, nothing to dump.

But I guess I know where this confusion comes from - that Darksend mixing scheme/picture in 1st post and old whitepaper in which funds go few rounds/hops in a circle of MNs. This scheme was made even before Darkcoin review by Kristov Atlas if I remember correctly. It was outdated a long time ago and should be abandoned/refreshed - that is NOT how things work in actual code.

To address some (if any) Dash flaws one really needs to read some actual code. Though sometimes he even needs to read it from scratch after a few months because it's getting improved all the time. I would even welcome everyone to start reading new branch right now https://github.com/dashpay/dash/tree/v0.12.0.x and submit issues and/or pull requests. The more things we fix before next testing phase the better. :smile: But most trolls out there never read code nor is able to do so... so really no reason in arguing with them imo.

However I would definitely agree on few things if they were pronounced clearely:
- it's hard to do (distributed) CoinJoin right and Darksend isn't perfect yet
- the lack of proper documentation could lead (well, it actually already does lead) to confusion like that


Regarding the OP itself i.e. "Dash is dying": well, the repo is open and anyone can follow the progress of "dying" by himself https://github.com/dashpay/dash/commits/v0.12.0.x
910  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 03:54:46 PM

What a nice research!

And now, please, you can talk about this:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf


And this:

Quote

That probability depends on every transaction using 4 rounds of mixing (not likely), as well as assembling a 100% complete transaction, which isn't necessary for an attacker to draw hasty conclusions.

yep, but if you do the calculation using just one round it's still a huge number of days.

As for complete transactions, I agree that's not included....but I was answering your 'gun in the crowd' point, which has a probabilty of near 1, which is astronomically different to the proabilities we're talking about here.

Quote
It would be nice to know what are the average or most comonly used mixing rounds in a darksend, and calculate probability based on that. Or, even better, calculate attacker probability based on the minimum allowable amount of mixing, to establish a "worst case scenario" or baseline probability.

ok i'll do it then Smiley

with 15% of the network compromised and just one round of darksend per transaction the probability is 3.32526E-17 or .0000000000000000332526

mutiply by 1,000,000 for transactions per day (which is a really big number of darksend transactions, by the way):

.0000000000332526

and divide into 1 for number of days to get a complete transaction:

30072836410


thank you,
911  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
Sad that so many people take these Trollero attack threads seriously, including Dash supporters.  Although I admit I did when they first started too.

The idea is (obviously) just to keep a thread bumped at the top of the alt-discussion board saying "Dash is a SCAM$(*&#@" or whatever, just like Monero is the only coin to keep a "speculation" thread bumped on the same board, with Generalize, Icebreaker (aka Eduardo de Castro Hashfast scammer / head Monero troll), G2M, debryune, wpalczynski, Smooth (Monero fake-core dev come mega-troll), FluffyPony (Monero lead-"dev" aka ex-journalist / Vertpay.com / MyMonero.com / PayBee.com / OpenRigs scammer), and all the usual trolls now in their 2nd year of posting the same tired garbage about 10,000 XMR pizzas and "it doesn't matter we are an unfinished-clone of Bytecoin and didn't add any features in 1 year and the wallet doesn't work because if you believe and troll hard enough, and ignore that it's a sh*tcoin-clone with zero development, Monero is the next Bitcoin!!!".  

Same as the other ~20 attack-Dash threads being pushed by Monero users/core-devs since Darkcoin implemented instant transactions and rebranded to actually take on Bitcoin thus leaving Monero with a big-empty "Anon-coin" bag.

Now Bytecoin has owned Monero, they are still here attacking their other competitors like Dash, one of the top alts with largest community and most unique development / innovation, while Monero's cut-and-paste wallet is now 1 year behind Bytecoin with no GUI / non-volatile blockchain, and they have got burned for it big time, but they don't care lol Smiley

Keep going Trollero®



thanks for the bump dude  Wink

best regards

You are losing the discussion dude. I can bump it myself again.  Kiss

A wise man once told me that if you have to tell people you are right, you're mostly wrong...

bump it!

best regards

I didn't say I am right (I am still waitingfor that), but I know fudters are wrong until proof are presented.

This is not about trolling harder, speaking louder, creating 1000 threads every day to FUD Dash. Facts, reasoning and proof, thank you.

Bump!
912  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Sad that so many people take these Trollero attack threads seriously, including Dash supporters.  Although I admit I did when they first started too.

The idea is (obviously) just to keep a thread bumped at the top of the alt-discussion board saying "Dash is a SCAM$(*&#@" or whatever, just like Monero is the only coin to keep a "speculation" thread bumped on the same board, with Generalize, Icebreaker (aka Eduardo de Castro Hashfast scammer / head Monero troll), G2M, debryune, wpalczynski, Smooth (Monero fake-core dev come mega-troll), FluffyPony (Monero lead-"dev" aka ex-journalist / Vertpay.com / MyMonero.com / PayBee.com / OpenRigs scammer), and all the usual trolls now in their 2nd year of posting the same tired garbage about 10,000 XMR pizzas and "it doesn't matter we are an unfinished-clone of Bytecoin and didn't add any features in 1 year and the wallet doesn't work because if you believe and troll hard enough, and ignore that it's a sh*tcoin-clone with zero development, Monero is the next Bitcoin!!!".  

Same as the other ~20 attack-Dash threads being pushed by Monero users/core-devs since Darkcoin implemented instant transactions and rebranded to actually take on Bitcoin thus leaving Monero with a big-empty "Anon-coin" bag.

Now Bytecoin has owned Monero, they are still here attacking their other competitors like Dash, one of the top alts with largest community and most unique development / innovation, while Monero's cut-and-paste wallet is now 1 year behind Bytecoin with no GUI / non-volatile blockchain, and they have got burned for it big time, but they don't care lol Smiley

Keep going Trollero®



thanks for the bump dude  Wink

best regards

You are losing the discussion dude. I can bump it myself again.  Kiss
913  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 02:24:51 PM

1. start here you lazy dasher--I joke, at least you're trying  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642.660

2. A little too public as i'm finding out.  Wink

1.- I'm not FUDing, so it's your work not mine. You are a regular of the thread (not me) so please summarize for our audience.

2.- Be my guest. As I always said, break it or shut up  Smiley


btw. I am still waiting a comment about this:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Edit: I think I found some real facts interesting in that thread  Cheesy

Quote

That probability depends on every transaction using 4 rounds of mixing (not likely), as well as assembling a 100% complete transaction, which isn't necessary for an attacker to draw hasty conclusions.

yep, but if you do the calculation using just one round it's still a huge number of days.

As for complete transactions, I agree that's not included....but I was answering your 'gun in the crowd' point, which has a probabilty of near 1, which is astronomically different to the proabilities we're talking about here.

Quote
It would be nice to know what are the average or most comonly used mixing rounds in a darksend, and calculate probability based on that. Or, even better, calculate attacker probability based on the minimum allowable amount of mixing, to establish a "worst case scenario" or baseline probability.

ok i'll do it then Smiley

with 15% of the network compromised and just one round of darksend per transaction the probability is 3.32526E-17 or .0000000000000000332526

mutiply by 1,000,000 for transactions per day (which is a really big number of darksend transactions, by the way):

.0000000000332526

and divide into 1 for number of days to get a complete transaction:

30072836410

914  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 12:28:54 PM
There are other methods of attacks, so addressing one attack does not address them all. I did comment on this above, but i think you responded as I was revising it, so you missed it. [1]

I'm researching the masternode list you linked me to earlier; it's more telling than you think. Thanks for providing it.[2]

[1] "There are other methods of attacks, so addressing one attack does not address them all" is like saying nothing.

Please be specific, then maybe I can help you or guide you  to someone who can help (or maybe you are adressing a new vector attack that we need to cover, that would be very welcomed!)

[2] Masternodes are public (for now), you are welcome!
915  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 11:49:48 AM

The majority of the masternodes are not in amazon servers, and anyone can check it here:


Funny that the most of the places listed on the masternode list are locations of Amazon servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services

If you don't want me to think masternodes are being created on Amazon servers, you should tell your dash buddies to stop making threads like this:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/reubens-masternode-setup-service-with-amazon-ec2-one-time-fee.4441/


This is not, again, about "believing something", this is a fact:

http://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodes/?sorts%5Bisp%5D=1&perPage=100

Use your fingers and count. I did.   Wink

This doesn't prove that they aren't being run on amazon servers--check the wiki on amazon server locations. Also, why are so many nodes not receiving transactions and others receiving so many? Are they being attacked already?  Wink

(citation needed)

Citation? Look at the list you linked me to--there are a lot of nodes with 0 transaction and lot more being run off of corporate servers that are most likely working with their local spying agency. Europe and America share spy data last time i checked. This is what i mean about trusting people to follow best practices--they don't.

ok, I really enjoyed our conversation. If you want to spread FUD (without understanding the basics of the masternode system and assuming some paranoic statements without any proof)  i'm out.

btw. I still waiting a comment about this:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf

916  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 11:14:37 AM

The majority of the masternodes are not in amazon servers, and anyone can check it here:


Funny that the most of the places listed on the masternode list are locations of Amazon servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services

If you don't want me to think masternodes are being created on Amazon servers, you should tell your dash buddies to stop making threads like this:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/reubens-masternode-setup-service-with-amazon-ec2-one-time-fee.4441/


This is not, again, about "believing something", this is a fact:

http://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodes/?sorts%5Bisp%5D=1&perPage=100

Use your fingers and count. I did.   Wink

This doesn't prove that they aren't being run on amazon servers--check the wiki on amazon server locations. Also, why are so many nodes not receiving transactions and others receiving so many? Are they being attacked already?  Wink

(citation needed)
917  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 11:05:41 AM

The majority of the masternodes are not in amazon servers, and anyone can check it here:


Funny that the most of the places listed on the masternode list are locations of Amazon servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services

If you don't want me to think masternodes are being created on Amazon servers, you should tell your dash buddies to stop making threads like this:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/reubens-masternode-setup-service-with-amazon-ec2-one-time-fee.4441/


This is not, again, about "believing something", this is a fact:

http://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodes/?sorts%5Bisp%5D=1&perPage=100

Use your fingers and count. I did.   Wink
918  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: June 01, 2015, 10:46:24 AM
It doesn't matter if you have a guy on the moon as a Dev; you still have the masternode problem, which is too many are owned by too few and encouraged to keep the number of nodes at 1000. And the biggest holder is most likely Evan who can be easily be gotten to, and if even he couldn't be (or was out as a Dev), most masternodes are currently on Amazon servers--Amazon!--a company known to work with the NSA. And even if none of this were true, you still depend on humans to not do stupid things like run masternodes on Amazon servers--this is an inherent weakness in any system that requires human best practices to be followed in most cases. Why? Most humans are worried about themselves and their costs, not worrying about the network and the residual cost to everyone else--in short, some humans are selfish and won't care that the system breaks as long as they are getting there's, while other humans are ignorant of how their actions might break a network and will do so unknowingly--this is why good cryptosystems don't use things like masternodes.

Lets be honest, unless I actually do it or have done it, you will always weasel out of the argument with rationalizations that protect your investment in your head--there's no way for you to know that Evan or the majority of masternodes were compromised in all situations and that would be the start of the end for current Dash. Hell, the NSA could be gleaning transaction info off the Amazon servers right now and no one but Amazon and the NSA would know.

And this part isn't for Aleix; he's already made his choice and is intent on riding it till it sinks. Anyone who cares about their privacy should only have confidence in cryptosystems that are decentralized and do not depend on humans or humans following best practices to maintain their security/privacy. This is an easy rule that saves you from having to come up with infinite attack vectors for infinite solutions for a problem that will infinitely follow a system built in this flawed way.

Thanks for your answer.

I don't like a lot “general statements” like you did in your post. This is no religion or politics, so it should be based on facts.  

The only fact  that you use (this time to endorse your position) is false

The majority of the masternodes are not in amazon servers, and anyone can check it here:

http://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodes/?sorts%5Bisp%5D=1&perPage=100

Let’s assume a large number are in amazon servers on in Evans hause, the probabilities of the network to be controlled are almost non-existent; you can check in the instant transactions white paper here:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf

That was the easy part to refute, what i really liked was the “stupid humans” part instead of “automated systems” (like cryptonote, I assume).  You did your “general statement” so I will do mine Cool .

I will divide in 2: Development and maintaining the system.

Development vs. “stupid humans”

As I said before, Darkcoin was a crappy coin at the begining (february 2014) when Evan was trying to implement a system based on coinjoin. Then an user called “Anonymint” (something like that)  appeared in the thread criticizing really hard Evan’s approach. And after some weeks of discussion appeared the Masternodes concept.

So, Dash can evolve of discussion, and we really thank critical posts (like the post  now we are are building here). Because this helps to evolve.

2.- “stupid humans” vs. “keeping the system safe”.

I am just an “average joe” with very limited tech or english skills, i have only a degree in sociology, imagine lol.
In the Dash community we have people from more than 30 countries, with all possible technological backgrounds, lawyers, journalists etc.

A lot of people are running all kind of servers as a profession. They are the IT crowd of several big and small companies. Do I want a automated invisible system (like cryptonote) ruling my money? What I want people from South Korea, Russia, Hong Kong, Germany, Vietnam, India, etc. That in a daily base take care of the network, understand the problems and help to fix it.

And I repeat,  we use open source code (no back doors) and Dash has a ledger. The automated machines tend to break.  We broke Dash before and it will break in the future. We have the human resources to fix and improve it.

The day the NSA will take control of cryptonote coins (and they will, because they are like God using your parameters) they will monitor the invisible blockchain and noone will notice it.

Let me make a last statement about greed and participating in the Dash community. I don’t really care about making money. I am poor, but i don’t need a lot for living so I’m ok. For me (and for the people I know personally in the Dash community) this is about politics. This is about destroying the banking system, and building something better.

(excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language)
919  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Encuesta para el desarrollo del plan de negocios de una nueva startup on: June 01, 2015, 09:26:11 AM
Enviada ( me faltaban opciones de respuesta). Wink

+1

Coincido. Por ejemplo:

¿Adquiriría Bitcoin en la tienda de la esquina si fuera posible? *
No, no creo

Si pudiera comprar en la tienda de la esquina, ¿Cuál es la cantidad más probable que adquiriría? *
0 (esta respuesta falta, por ejemplo)

Hay algunas de estas incoherencias, pero nada grave.


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920  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: May 31, 2015, 06:05:58 AM
an NSA operation would definitely disable other masternodes to funnel transactions to the masternodes they control.

This is an interesting debate.

I agree that the NSA can kill Dash, and Dash is finished. And I am sure they can kill Bitcoin too, but I am sure they cannot kill Dash without we would realize. I am not so sure about Bitcoin.

Check the masternodes/country here:

http://www.dashnodes.com/index/charts

26% US
25% Germany
20% France
13% Netherlands
etc.

With all US masternodes under control the NSA cannot denonimize the transactions. Let's do alternative scenarios:

1.- They buy XXXX Dash to create new masternodes (we can do the math to find the exact number is necessary to do it, it's a lot). The market goes crazy, we would realize. They control the network but they can't know past transactions (Masternodes don't do that, users are secure). Dash is finished

2.- They can "invade" or "hack" us the poor Europeans (France, Germany, Netherlands, etc.) get access to our accounts in our european servers. We would realize (yes, we would), they can control the network, they can't control the past transactions (Masternodes don't do that, users are secure). Dash is finished

I think the NSA can kill, but they can't control the Dash network. How you see it?



(excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language)

Some European countries share meta data with US agencies and even have more power to capture data than even the US due to less strict rules on spying agencies, but that doesn't diminish that foreign servers are sometimes owned by American companies already working with the US government or that can be forced, coerced, or bribed into supplying information.  Never mind that Dash's Dev Evan has too much power over Dash's direction (and its assets) and can be coerced by US operations to help or hinder Dash with the mere threat of a FinCen investigation or a compliance document similar to those that were used in Prism to get some of the biggest companies in the world to hand over unbridled access to data--either you don't get how much of a vestige interest all countries have in controlling information and finances or you overestimate Dash's ability to cope with these measures.

How would you realize the network is compromised if Evan was coerced into working with investigators? Cut the head off the snake and it dies, control it and you can decide where the venom goes.

Here would be my gameplan if I wanted to control Dash:

If Patriot Act rules are engaged, I would send a letter of complicity to Evan and have him work with my agency to glean as much information from the network while also creating more backdoors to glean information. If he chooses to fight the complicity order, I would green light a FinCen or SEC or FBI investigation with the power and scope of this investigation dependent on if he plays ball or not. If there weren't Patriot Act rules in play, I would move immediately to step two. The goal would be to control Dash, not to destroy it.  

I don't know the other players in Dash, but thanks to the instamine, they seem like a small group and most likely could be gotten to and forced to comply. To put the risk to US power in perspective: Gadaffi had an army and lived in his own country and had vast personal wealth, but was expelled from power and put to death after he talked about not accepting US dollars for oil. Do you think you can pin your replacing-all-the-world's-currency hopes on a guy who lives in Arizona, couldn't get the details of his coin launch in order, doesn't understand  (or care) that masternodes are a major attack vector for a cryptocurrency, and renames his coin every five months? That guy can be gotten to and i'm pretty sure it doesn't take a needlessly expensive revolution to do it.

Good answer! Quite a work kill Dash in your gameplay, right? NSA, Secret Service, Patriot Act and threaten Evan. All without a single leak of information.  Not bad!

Assuming your scenario, let me tell you a little secret: Evan is not alone anymore. UdjinM6 is a core developer from Russia, and he is as much talented as Evan (you can check Github about that). And I am not sure UdjinM6 would agree about spying for the NSA. You know, russians are tough guys.

And I am not sure NSA can go to Russia and force UdjinM6 to cooperate to control Dash, you know Putin is a person of temper.

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How would you realize the network is compromised if Evan was coerced into working with investigators?

Dash is open source! And Dash is not Evan.  Evan can write it, but you can check and review the code. UdjinM6, Flare, Crowning, elbereth, Francis, etc. All the members of the Dash community and the general public can check the code.
And this is bad for backdoors and is good for transparency.


(excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language)
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