SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO multipoll hopper still can work on bitcoins.lc  Multipoll hopper? How does it work when bitcoins.lc is apparently setting their shares to a static number of 126,183? |
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I am sorry to you guys who disabled bitcoins.lc. I got in on 4 blocks this morning already.
Edit: Make that 5 blocks.
really or that are faked stats ? 296 136898 532 540 540 340 18 Jul 16:15:20 1 h 17m
295 136888 1 120 599 1 130 838 18 Jul 14:57:53 2h 40m
294 136877 2 646 739 2 682 072 18 Jul 12:17:49 6h 59m
293 136840 4 905 846 4 995 134 18 Jul 05:18:46 14h 5m
292 136739 75 365 77 056 17 Jul 15:13:33 13m 29s
291 136737 3 133 727 3 299 934 17 Jul 15:00:04 12h 42m Actually looks like 4 blocks. I think they just set the shares in their API to 126,183 so that is why I thought it was a new block. Did get payment on 4 blocks though. Damnit, have to re-disable bitcoins.lc until they stop playing games with the shares. Absolutely need to implement something that stops mining at a pool when their shares remain static from one poll to another. I have been really lucky and caught btcguild, bitp.it and not bitcoins.lc within minutes of them setting static share counts, but I won't always be able to catch it. |
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I am sorry to you guys who disabled bitcoins.lc. I got in on 4 blocks this morning already.
Edit: Make that 5 blocks.
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I think c00w might need to add a 'don't hop if shares = 0' function. Then of course everyone will list their shares as = 1, and we have to change it to 'don't hop if shares = 1'. Then 2. Then 3. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Add a function to consider a pool broken and disable it if the shares are unchanged between the 2 minute interval bithopper polls them. And re-add the pool if later on the shares start changing again because it could be a minor glitch or temporary problem. That would solve both problems most likely. |
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try using your user api instead of pool stats. Works for me.
edit wait, wrote too soon. User api total shares are down too now. If this is on purpose, why would they do that at the start of a round? Better off doing that at the end of a long round. I reckon they're just having problems with their database.
Edit: No point now that you have seen the change too. Damn, was getting excited there for a second. I think he timed it so that miners in the US would be mining all night long on his pool without switching. I think it was a coincidence that they found a block. At least, that is what I would do if I was a pool operator. Squeeze out a little bit more form that glorious hopper boost before fixing it for the users. |
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I'm still getting bitp.it's total shares in my user api. I didn't mine with them all night - although I did mine with btcg all night the night before, which killed my stats for them.
BTW, bitpit is on 25226 shares, only one hour from start of round. Jump on folks!
How are you getting that information? On the website it says N/A and in bithopper is says 0 and in the bitp.it thread the last post is the operator talking about disabling the share stats. I really want to keep mining at bitp.it because its been an awesome pool the last couple of days, but with no share stats that not a possibility . . .yet. |
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2) btcguild doesn't work!
I know I disabled it.
You can remove bitp.it too now. They just disabled their share stats so miners will be mining with them all night long if they don't catch it. Its a shame because they gave me some awesome payouts. |
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this all reminds me of people getting upset when others say downloading a movie using bittorrent is stealing
because nothing was taken from anyone else. they still have their copy of the movie.
yet.. anyone with a brain knows it was wrong... even if the word stealing was not quite accurate in the old
fashioned sense.
well pool hoppers.. the bar has been raised at btcguild. get your code on and defeat the stats delay.
That really is an awful analogy. Pool hoppers are not violating any law or breaking any rule. |
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Why do you consider it cheating? Playing the system in the most efficient manner isn't cheating.
It's not cheating. It's stealing. If you pool hop you are stealing from the people who use the pool in the intended way. Explain to me how its stealing? Its like a kid losing at the game of HORSE complaining because his opponent is just shooting free-throws while he is trying to make half court shots. |
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Do we jump at 43.5%? Isn't that 630k shares? Seems to have jumped off of mtred onto arsbitcoin at around 550k shares.
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as long as their blocks have a fixed delay from a pre known node it shouldn't be a problem.
i don't know if the pool operators could live with only 50 nodes. as far as i know their goal is to spread new blocks as fast and wide as possible (this counts especially for btcguild as elu pays for invalid blocks and looses money if he has an high invalid rate)
i just try.
i will publish my experience to everyony.
my goal is not to pool hop my self. i want to stop it in the long term. but if we want to stop it we have to understand it completely.
i don't like the idea, that a few "high-minded" people are able to cheat the rest.
everybody could cheat; or nobody: thats what i am trying to archive
Why do you consider it cheating? Playing the system in the most efficient manner isn't cheating. |
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What kind of scoring are they using? May not be worth hopping. They also don't list any past shares. The lack of transparency isn't good.
Pretty sure its proportional right now. They are apparently going to be switching to a different method soon though, but I highly doubt they would do that in a middle of a block. |
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From the bitp.it thread:
and btw, the current shares are displayed wrong, I think they are over 1 million shares till now, but there are only 438000 displayed.
The shares and scoring system are currently correct, and working fine. Those API and stats in the top bar are driven via static files. Perhaps a cron task has failed to update them, I will look into it. Edit: Bitp.it fixed their stuck share problem. Re-enabled them and we will see how stable they are. |
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Just disabled bitp.it by changing 'mine' to 'info'. Starting to get pretty thin here on the hoppable pool front.
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btw: does bitp.it fakes it stats?
second time today that my hopper reports > 70%/diff and then immediatly goes down to 28%
unconfirmed reward did not change. so did they even found a block?
Looks like it. They are still on round 14 but suddenly got a 90 Gh/s boost They got the boost because of how bithopper works I think. We discussed this within the last page or two of comments. Bitp.it was sitting around 420k shares while we were all mining at ozco.in. Ozco.in passed 420k shares + 10%, so bithopper jumped over to bitp.it. You will see ozco.in lost about the same hashrate that bitp.it gained. |
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you take the risk of getting banned. its VERY easy for pool operators to caught a hopper if he stays for more- let's say - 5 rounds. and make a new account every 3 blocks: you need much hashrate to afford that, as there is a minimum payout  edit: btw the time-slice-method makes it more difficult for pool operators will detect you. as your hashrate will slowly go down I don't think he cares about hopping. Pretty sure his main concern was thousands of connections coming from a single IP to a single account. Me jumping in and out of rounds with 1 connection from 1 ip, I don't think he cares, but we will see. His pool has had major connection issues, with multiclone and botnets overwhelming his servers. |
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yeah not a fan of bitcoin.lc.. how he handled the whole multiclone affair left a foul taste in my mouth. He eventually gave them back their bitcoin but doesnt change how he handled it in the first place.
I'd rather just deal with one less place to hop even if our list is rather short.
cool flower, I will check out your hopper as well. and let you know.
Yea, the way he handled that was ridiculous. I think his issue was the thousands of connections going to one account, but trying to keep the money is plain theft. The only reason I would consider to continue mining there is because there simply isn't that many pools to hop to right now, and I feel the larger the list of hoppable pools the more I will make. |
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Damnit, bitcoins.lc. . . They routinely let their site misreport the length of rounds and then after the fact correct them. They had a "14 hour" round that suddenly turned into a 12 hour round, a 13 minute round and an hour and 45 minute round. Bithopper didn't jump in on the 13 minute or hour and 45 minute round because of the misreporting. They do this almost everytime there is a very long round. Wonder if its an attempt to stop hopping or if there is an issue with the pool itself. People complain about this regularly in their thread in the Pools section.
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As far as I can tell looking through the code - and someone please correct me, if I'm wrong - it uses the pool with fewest shares. The exception to this is if the pool with fewest shares has 10% or less fewer shares than the pool currently being mined for.
e.g. if you're currently mining for Mt Red and Mt Red has 200K shares, then any pool with less than 180K shares will be hopped to.
OK, so in the situation where ozcoin is at 250k shares and then mtred finds a block, bithopper jumps to mtred until mtred has 10% more shares than ozcoin? Is that the most efficient? I am sure people smarter and more well versed in hopping than I know better, but wouldn't it be smart to have bithopper stay with mtred until a certain % of difficulty was reached? Or is the benefit of mining at a much smaller much slower pool greater than staying with mtred? |
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thanks I thought I looked everywhere. They didnt hide it or anything huh? Surprised it wasnt down a broken flight of stairs in a darken room with a sign on the door saying beware of leopard. What I am wondering is why it switched off of mtred and went back to ozcoin before hitting the magic 43% or whatever number. Try as I might, I cant seem to figure out the logic in the hopper but I havent tried to look too much at the code. No kidding right? I was freaking out a little when I saw: Current Balance 0.00000000 BTC Total Earned 0.00000000 BTC and no payment in my wallet. They really need to add an unconfirmed balance. As for the logic of bithopper, I have no clue either. I gotta say it works though. Ive only been mining with it for like 36 hours but the first 24 has made me a believer. |
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